MLB 2019 postseason
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[quote="Knight" post=361385]Another poorly umpired game, but entertaining to watch.[/quote]
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.
ronm
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[quote="Logen" post=361426][quote="Knight" post=361385]Another poorly umpired game, but entertaining to watch.[/quote]
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote]
Seems to work quite well in Tennis.
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote]
Seems to work quite well in Tennis.
[quote="ron " post=361430][quote="Logen" post=361426][quote="Knight" post=361385]Another poorly umpired game, but entertaining to watch.[/quote]
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote]
Seems to work quite well in Tennis.[/quote]
Well, technology is largely non-obtrusive to the flow of tennis. Tennis takes seconds, not minutes and a group chat to decide like football, basketball and non balls and strikes in baseball. As far as balls and strikes, tennis is much easier to automate because you are only dealing with a uniform line structure, the ground and one moving object. You don’t have the variables of the moving object going through a varied size area of front to back, up and down, in and out, not to mention the size and stance of the batter; the strike zone for Altuve and Judge are significantly different sizes. Not to mention check swings, foul tips, hit by pitches, etc. Yes, I know you can still have a home plate umpire for those and to act as a communicator for the machines decision. Maybe I am a minority of one, but I remain old school and for me, these changes have made the sports experience worse not better. And I still fall back on the argument that these changes have served to ruin the flow of games while still having the reality of bad calls in all sports.
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote]
Seems to work quite well in Tennis.[/quote]
Well, technology is largely non-obtrusive to the flow of tennis. Tennis takes seconds, not minutes and a group chat to decide like football, basketball and non balls and strikes in baseball. As far as balls and strikes, tennis is much easier to automate because you are only dealing with a uniform line structure, the ground and one moving object. You don’t have the variables of the moving object going through a varied size area of front to back, up and down, in and out, not to mention the size and stance of the batter; the strike zone for Altuve and Judge are significantly different sizes. Not to mention check swings, foul tips, hit by pitches, etc. Yes, I know you can still have a home plate umpire for those and to act as a communicator for the machines decision. Maybe I am a minority of one, but I remain old school and for me, these changes have made the sports experience worse not better. And I still fall back on the argument that these changes have served to ruin the flow of games while still having the reality of bad calls in all sports.
Logen wrote: Well, technology is largely non-obtrusive to the flow of tennis. Tennis takes seconds, not minutes and a group chat to decide like football, basketball and non balls and strikes in baseball. As far as balls and strikes, tennis is much easier to automate because you are only dealing with a uniform line structure, the ground and one moving object. You don’t have the variables of the moving object going through a varied size area of front to back, up and down, in and out, not to mention the size and stance of the batter; the strike zone for Altuve and Judge are significantly different sizes. Not to mention check swings, foul tips, hit by pitches, etc. Yes, I know you can still have a home plate umpire for those and to act as a communicator for the machines decision. Maybe I am a minority of one, but I remain old school and for me, these changes have made the sports experience worse not better. And I still fall back on the argument that these changes have served to ruin the flow of games while still having the reality of bad calls in all sports.
Agree that Tennis is very different. I am a huge tennis fan (former poor but energetic player) and all you have to do is watch the clay court tournaments to see how much hawk-eye has improved the game. But as Logen implies, it is like watching a replay of a home run (clearly fair or foul and doesn't happen all that often) as opposed to something like balls & strikes where you could be doing it on every other pitch and player height and stance variables come into play. I am definitely not in favor of having replays on balls & strikes.
Agree that Tennis is very different. I am a huge tennis fan (former poor but energetic player) and all you have to do is watch the clay court tournaments to see how much hawk-eye has improved the game. But as Logen implies, it is like watching a replay of a home run (clearly fair or foul and doesn't happen all that often) as opposed to something like balls & strikes where you could be doing it on every other pitch and player height and stance variables come into play. I am definitely not in favor of having replays on balls & strikes.
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ronm
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=361451]Logen wrote: Well, technology is largely non-obtrusive to the flow of tennis. Tennis takes seconds, not minutes and a group chat to decide like football, basketball and non balls and strikes in baseball. As far as balls and strikes, tennis is much easier to automate because you are only dealing with a uniform line structure, the ground and one moving object. You don’t have the variables of the moving object going through a varied size area of front to back, up and down, in and out, not to mention the size and stance of the batter; the strike zone for Altuve and Judge are significantly different sizes. Not to mention check swings, foul tips, hit by pitches, etc. Yes, I know you can still have a home plate umpire for those and to act as a communicator for the machines decision. Maybe I am a minority of one, but I remain old school and for me, these changes have made the sports experience worse not better. And I still fall back on the argument that these changes have served to ruin the flow of games while still having the reality of bad calls in all sports.
Agree that Tennis is very different. I am a huge tennis fan (former poor but energetic player) and all you have to do is watch the clay court tournaments to see how much hawk-eye has improved the game. But as Logen implies, it is like watching a replay of a home run (clearly fair or foul and doesn't happen all that often) as opposed to something like balls & strikes where you could be doing it on every other pitch and player height and stance variables come into play. I am definitely not in favor of having replays on balls & strikes.[/quote]
My take on this may be incorrect, but I don't think people want replay of balls and strikes. I think they want the calling of balls and strikes to be automated. I image the system could be programmed to take into consideration the sizes of all the players.
Agree that Tennis is very different. I am a huge tennis fan (former poor but energetic player) and all you have to do is watch the clay court tournaments to see how much hawk-eye has improved the game. But as Logen implies, it is like watching a replay of a home run (clearly fair or foul and doesn't happen all that often) as opposed to something like balls & strikes where you could be doing it on every other pitch and player height and stance variables come into play. I am definitely not in favor of having replays on balls & strikes.[/quote]
My take on this may be incorrect, but I don't think people want replay of balls and strikes. I think they want the calling of balls and strikes to be automated. I image the system could be programmed to take into consideration the sizes of all the players.
[quote="Logen" post=361426][quote="Knight" post=361385]Another poorly umpired game, but entertaining to watch.[/quote]
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote] You know whats worse than all that ? Losing money on the series like I did
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote] You know whats worse than all that ? Losing money on the series like I did
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=361454][quote="Logen" post=361426][quote="Knight" post=361385]Another poorly umpired game, but entertaining to watch.[/quote]
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote] You know whats worse than all that ? Losing money on the series like I did[/quote]
That’s why they call it gambling.
I realize this is a hot topic for you and you are certainly more than entitled but how antiseptic do you want to make sports? This obsession to get it “right” via challenges, replays, etc. has not improved sports one bit. It still doesn’t “get it right”, there are still bad calls in all sports, what can be reviewed is selective, and it has taken all flow and rhythm out of sports. So a CBB game has an “inaccurate” clock for 38 minutes and then the game gets stopped 47 times in the last 2 minutes to potentially put a couple of seconds or a fraction of a second back. Absolutely comical.
You know what is worse than a bad umpire behind the plate? Watching a hitter take the same pitch that has been called a strike all game and then complaining after being called out on strikes in the 8th. What happened to adjusting to an umpires strike zone? What happened to “too close to take” with two strikes? IMO, sports don’t have to be right, they have to be compelling and part of that for me is the human element.[/quote] You know whats worse than all that ? Losing money on the series like I did
[/quote]That’s why they call it gambling.
This umpiring/officiating thing is completely out of control. There are dozens if not hundreds of examples of plays that even with video replay are STILL called wrong. In addition, there are so many rules or technicalities that are not reviewable and now someone somewhere wants to add to the list. Then there are things everyone swore that replay would only be used for the most egregious errors. Like a runner sliding into 2nd on a steal who was safe for a 100 years is now out because when we go frame by frame the runner in a pop-up slide actually lost contact with the base for .0001 seconds of freeze frame. The beautiful moment when your team wins a game on a base hit and is called safe on a bang bang play at the plate is now a moment not for celebration but a moment to look for the umpire with headsets or a penalty flag.
I know we are not going back. However, I wish we would. Arguing over the umpire who blew a call or an official who didn’t throw a flag is just part of the game. Enough already with the 4 1/2 hour games spent in commercial as we try to figure out who did or didn’t get screwed. Life will go on.
I know we are not going back. However, I wish we would. Arguing over the umpire who blew a call or an official who didn’t throw a flag is just part of the game. Enough already with the 4 1/2 hour games spent in commercial as we try to figure out who did or didn’t get screwed. Life will go on.
[quote="ctstorm" post=361355]So much for home field advantage.[/quote]
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very disappointed that dj did not make the top 3 for al mvp.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.
Moose
Well-known member
[quote="section10" post=362272]very disappointed that dj did not make the top 3 for al mvp.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.
[quote="Moose" post=362273][quote="section10" post=362272]very disappointed that dj did not make the top 3 for al mvp.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.[/quote]
To be fair, those 3 guys had monster years. We all know that the MVP goes to the best player, not the most valuable.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.[/quote]
To be fair, those 3 guys had monster years. We all know that the MVP goes to the best player, not the most valuable.
Moose
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[quote="AlexSTJ" post=362274][quote="Moose" post=362273][quote="section10" post=362272]very disappointed that dj did not make the top 3 for al mvp.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.[/quote]
To be fair, those 3 guys had monster years. We all know that the MVP goes to the best player, not the most valuable.[/quote]
True but the best player on the best team in MLB for the whole year albeit the last two weeks? I knew Semien was having a good year but never heard him in MVP discussion AT ALL. Was always Trout, DJ and Bregman.
the elias sports bureau must have done the picking.
dj did get silver slugger award.
my al mvp pick was dj.
my al pick for best year put dj 5th.
although I have 2 math degrees, I despise statisticians from picking mvp people.[/quote]
I didn't even see this was announced. Absolute joke that he wasn't.[/quote]
To be fair, those 3 guys had monster years. We all know that the MVP goes to the best player, not the most valuable.[/quote]
True but the best player on the best team in MLB for the whole year albeit the last two weeks? I knew Semien was having a good year but never heard him in MVP discussion AT ALL. Was always Trout, DJ and Bregman.