Minny Upset

[westchesterjoe]

Jordan Hulls? Man can he shoot it! Lavin needs to realize the 3pt game is important to overall team success and has to think about getting a spot up shooter. And, a PG that will get the ball to the shooter..

Bourgault and Hooper (the former), and Branch (the latter).

The two you mention are not in Hulls Class, look at his career stats..Branch isn't playing much due to injury.. Greene is and has for most of year.. I may have missed it but, has Greene passed to Bourgault once?

Branch's injury demonstrates the need of having more than just 1 PG on your roster.

How many shooters are in Hulls' class? But that wasn't what you initially stated .... You said, Lavin needs spot up shooters, and I gave you two names. Besides, we don't know whether Hooper is in Hulls' class or not, as we've yet to see him suit up.

They obviously feel they need another PG type on the team, hence why they are pursuing Jordan.

It's pretty apparent that Lavin hasn't demonstrated much confidence in Bourgault, not playing him for nearly 2/3 of the season and having him on a short leash, when he does play..Hooper isn't a factor yet, but I doubt he will be in Hulls
class, hence including him is quite premature.

More to the point,Lavin's offense hasn't shown yet it knows what to do with a spot up shooter..Crean has always had shooters , even at Marquette, maybe not like Hulls but, capable... Williams has continued that under his reign.

Jordan , from his videos, appears more a SG than PG.. He looks like he may have the goods to push DLO more than Branch.

 

[MJDinkins]

Jordan Hulls? Man can he shoot it! Lavin needs to realize the 3pt game is important to overall team success and has to think about getting a spot up shooter. And, a PG that will get the ball to the shooter..

Bourgault and Hooper (the former), and Branch (the latter).

The two you mention are not in Hulls Class, look at his career stats..Branch isn't playing much due to injury.. Greene is and has for most of year.. I may have missed it but, has Greene passed to Bourgault once?

Branch's injury demonstrates the need of having more than just 1 PG on your roster.

How many shooters are in Hulls' class? But that wasn't what you initially stated .... You said, Lavin needs spot up shooters, and I gave you two names. Besides, we don't know whether Hooper is in Hulls' class or not, as we've yet to see him suit up.

They obviously feel they need another PG type on the team, hence why they are pursuing Jordan.

It's pretty apparent that Lavin hasn't demonstrated much confidence in Bourgault, not playing him for nearly 2/3 of the season and having him on a short leash, when he does play..Hooper isn't a factor yet, but I doubt he will be in Hulls
class, hence including him is quite premature.

More to the point,Lavin's offense hasn't shown yet it knows what to do with a spot up shooter..Crean has always had shooters , even at Marquette, maybe not like Hulls but, capable... Williams has continued that under his reign.

Jordan , from his videos, appears more a SG than PG.. He looks like he may have the goods to push DLO more than Branch.

Hooper doesn't have to be in Hulls' class to be a solid shooter and contributor for us. Not to mention, Hooper is a deadeye marksmen. Bourgault has shown definite signs that he can beneficial on the offensive end. I've given you two names of spot up shooters, but you attempt to shoot 'em down because they aren't in the same class as Hulls. Then, you claim Lavin needs to bring in other shooters because they aren't similar to Hulls. LOL

Lavin has only been at St. John's for 3 years, while Marquette was already established prior to Buzz Williams. Once again, Lavin has brought in capable shooters. By the way, I haven't seen anyone on Marquette's team who's reliable as Hulls. Does that mean he doesn't have capable shooters?

Jordan is a combo guard who has no problem playing in a PG role. Jordan would be able to help us on-and-off the ball.

 

[westchesterjoe]

Hulls is in a class by himself but, Crean also gives him quality minutes..I'm more concerned about freeing up the shooter in what has, to be kind, a helter skelter offense that appears to have little pre-set idea of what it wants to do in the half court .

Yes, it's only 3 years of Lavin's Coaching but,will a more disciplined offense be installed next year?

 

[austour]

More disciplined players (upper classmen) play more disciplined offense. Sheehy,Hulls, Oladipo and Watford bring maturity and discipline to that team.

 

[redmen2014champs]

does anyone believe gonzaga is worthy of the number one see i dont. i see them as a three maybe 4 seed

I think this is their best team they have ever had and were my pick a month ago to make the final four. They have a good chance to be #1 overall next week and I think they are deserving IMO.

I bet the Zags a month ago at 16-1 to win the Ncaa title.

Solid bet CC. Hope you laid a hundred down

Yep, 100. Go Zags baby!

I saw this and I checked my futures bets out of curiousity. Did not risk too much on any but my best values right now are Gonzaga at 20-1, Georgetown at 75-1(the one good thing about watching them beat up SJU in the Garden) and St. Louis at 500-1 in honor of one of my favorite coaches ever, Rick Majerus.

 

[westchesterjoe]

More disciplined players (upper classmen) play more disciplined offense. Sheehy,Hulls, Oladipo and Watford bring maturity and discipline to that team.

Absolutely you are right about IU and their upper classmen. Zeller is a soph, I believe.. The point I was making though is Crean had a offensive system that these upper classmen plugged into, even as frosh and sophs..

I'm not certain we've seen any sort of offensive system yet, other than fast break and if not there, give the ball to Greene to dribble away.We didn't see much set offense with Hardy, Kennedy, Brownlee, etc either. Although that group seemed to be better at improvisation than this group, even though they were seniors.. They had to change from Robert's style, whatever that was, to Lavin's system .. Difference being Hardy was a much better long range marksman than anyone we have now, plus he could get to the hole, one on one. That made him a tough defend for anybody.

 

[MJDinkins]

More disciplined players (upper classmen) play more disciplined offense. Sheehy,Hulls, Oladipo and Watford bring maturity and discipline to that team.

Absolutely you are right about IU and their upper classmen. Zeller is a soph, I believe.. The point I was making though is Crean had a offensive system that these upper classmen plugged into, even as frosh and sophs..

I'm not certain we've seen any sort of offensive system yet, other than fast break and if not there, give the ball to Greene to dribble away.We didn't see much set offense with Hardy, Kennedy, Brownlee, etc either. Although that group seemed to be better at improvisation than this group, even though they were seniors.. They had to change from Robert's style, whatever that was, to Lavin's system .. Difference being Hardy was a much better long range marksman than anyone we have now, plus he could get to the hole, one on one. That made him a tough defend for anybody.

If you don't think the group from two seasons ago wasn't running sets, then I don't know what to tell you. By the way, how long did it take Crean to really get the ball rolling?

I watched Oklahoma State a week ago, and they were running some similar sets that we're currently running. You wanna know the difference.... They have a more, skilled PG guard (although, I think Branch will be fine); post play that needs to be respected; capable shooters; and, more overall experience. Not to mention, better overall hoops IQ. That is why their stuff was working.

If anything the staff hasn't done the best job adjusting to their personnel. I would've liked to see them press more with this bunch, and turn the game into more of a helter-skelter type setting.

 

[austour]

As Frosh and Sophs this year's seniors at IU were 22-41 running Crean's sets. Do I think he runs a tighter system than Lavin, yeah probably, and Lavin might rely too much on athleticism and individual creativity and skills in his false motion, but there's a system that he is trying to get the kids to run. It is a system that others have run with success. Maybe it's a system that like IU's requires upper classmen and a top 10 recruit to run successfully. We'll see.