Mike Rice Potential Opportunity
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Good luck to coach Rice. He would likely be paid more than we could afford to nickel and dime him at St. John's.
A missed opportunity once again and as always a day late and a dollar short.
A missed opportunity once again and as always a day late and a dollar short.
Good for Mike Rice . Just not a good fit for St. John’s at the time ... maybe this gig is the Interim step that Rice needs to get back into College Basketball .
beast of the east
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How will this venture be revenue producing unless they get corporate sponsors?
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=317092]How will this venture be revenue producing unless they get corporate sponsors?
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.[/quote]. Beast , you added a comment that wasn’t likely known when this Article surfaced . That being many in the BB fraternity would like to give Rice a break and get him back into the mix for a Coaching gig , the reality is , few takers stepping up to offer him a job at any level in Division 1 .
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.[/quote]. Beast , you added a comment that wasn’t likely known when this Article surfaced . That being many in the BB fraternity would like to give Rice a break and get him back into the mix for a Coaching gig , the reality is , few takers stepping up to offer him a job at any level in Division 1 .
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=317092]How will this venture be revenue producing unless they get corporate sponsors?
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.[/quote]
Jack Li IS THE CORPORATE SPONSOR.
http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201512/25/WS5a2e155ba310eefe3e9a279b_1.html
For the record it's my understanding that there was never a serious consideration for Rice to be added to staff.[/quote]
Jack Li IS THE CORPORATE SPONSOR.
http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201512/25/WS5a2e155ba310eefe3e9a279b_1.html
JohnnyFever
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=317089]Good for Mike Rice . Just not a good fit for St. John’s at the time ... maybe this gig is the Interim step that Rice needs to get back into College Basketball .[/quote]
Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.
Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.
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beast of the east
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317100][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=317089]Good for Mike Rice . Just not a good fit for St. John’s at the time ... maybe this gig is the Interim step that Rice needs to get back into College Basketball .[/quote]
Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.[/quote]
Answer this and you have your answer. Had Harrison been dismissed by another school instead of being a player we suspended, would St. John's have gone after him? Would anyone? Or would he have to redeem himself at a different level?
If you answer that, you have your answer with Rice.
Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.[/quote]
Answer this and you have your answer. Had Harrison been dismissed by another school instead of being a player we suspended, would St. John's have gone after him? Would anyone? Or would he have to redeem himself at a different level?
If you answer that, you have your answer with Rice.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals
Also repetitive rebuttals
beast of the east
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.
Also repetitive rebuttals
[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=317102][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317100][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=317089]Good for Mike Rice . Just not a good fit for St. John’s at the time ... maybe this gig is the Interim step that Rice needs to get back into College Basketball .[/quote]
Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.[/quote]
Answer this and you have your answer. Had Harrison been dismissed by another school instead of being a player we suspended, would St. John's have gone after him? Would anyone? Or would he have to redeem himself at a different level?
If you answer that, you have your answer with Rice.[/quote]
I guess your point is that we should have gone after Rice. I agree. The honorable OTIS, whose sources are beyond question, indicated that it was the then St. John's administration and not Mullin who nixed the St. John's deal. We would never go after questionable recruits.
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Many feel he was a great fit. Apparently Mullin didn't. People change...look at Harrison. Did Harrison not deserve another chance with his anger issues? Of course he was a kid while Rice is an adult, but the point remains. He wasn't putting cigarettes out on their foreheads. If he was that bad, big time recruits wouldn't be raving about him. He's a guy who let his anger take control of him and led him to do stupid things. He's been through anger management and has gotten great reviews since. I wouldn't assume our staff making a decision is necessarily the best one especially going off our record in 4 years 30 games under .500 in conference play. You don't get there by accident. He's everything we have been lacking: recruiting, defense, experience.[/quote]
Answer this and you have your answer. Had Harrison been dismissed by another school instead of being a player we suspended, would St. John's have gone after him? Would anyone? Or would he have to redeem himself at a different level?
If you answer that, you have your answer with Rice.[/quote]
I guess your point is that we should have gone after Rice. I agree. The honorable OTIS, whose sources are beyond question, indicated that it was the then St. John's administration and not Mullin who nixed the St. John's deal. We would never go after questionable recruits.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=317107][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:
Also repetitive rebuttals
[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:
beast of the east
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[quote="Class of 72" post=317119][quote="Beast of the East" post=317107][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.
Also repetitive rebuttals
[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=317122][quote="Class of 72" post=317119][quote="Beast of the East" post=317107][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.
Also repetitive rebuttals
[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.
[quote="Class of 72" post=317128][quote="Beast of the East" post=317122][quote="Class of 72" post=317119][quote="Beast of the East" post=317107][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.[/quote]. Disappointed you refer to Mullin as of right now , bring a “ Bonehead Coach .” The team is 15-4. Tied for 3rd in BE standings and in good position to finish well and do well in BE Tournament and NCAA. All hopefully . I think the postings last summer about Rice were split roughly half and half . Until the group that wanted Mike , made it a Crusade and opposers just threw up their hands . Beast and others have articulated many , many reasons why Rice wasn’t hired or, even a consideration . Maybe it’s time to drop the Rice bone . No Pun intended .
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[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.[/quote]. Disappointed you refer to Mullin as of right now , bring a “ Bonehead Coach .” The team is 15-4. Tied for 3rd in BE standings and in good position to finish well and do well in BE Tournament and NCAA. All hopefully . I think the postings last summer about Rice were split roughly half and half . Until the group that wanted Mike , made it a Crusade and opposers just threw up their hands . Beast and others have articulated many , many reasons why Rice wasn’t hired or, even a consideration . Maybe it’s time to drop the Rice bone . No Pun intended .
beast of the east
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[quote="Class of 72" post=317128][quote="Beast of the East" post=317122][quote="Class of 72" post=317119][quote="Beast of the East" post=317107][quote="Mike Zaun" post=317106][quote="otis" post=317104]Yeepie .... another Mike Rice thread; just what the repetitive posters need to fill the next 10 pages of irrelevant comments to the Zagsblog article.[/quote]
Also repetitive rebuttals[/quote]
yup You're going to get another time out.
I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.[/quote]
You are another really tiresome guy. I can only imagine what you are like in person.
D'Angelo Harrison got a second chance. Posters here turned on him after his suspension, and the rest turned on LAvin for suspending him. I was in favor of the second chance.
You are so bored and anxious to type a pile of shit that you don't bother to read. I said had he committed that offense at a competing school and got banished, St. John's would rightfully have avoided the potential headache of offering him a schollie. It would be appropriate and no one likes to add players where the baggage approached the value to a team. That's very different as to say that Lavin should not have given him a second chance.
No other than one of our most respected posters was at the away game where Harrison profanely went off at assistant coaches while Lavin was at his Dad's funeral. The poster messaged me before this blew up that Harrison's prolonged, loud, profane tirade against the coaches was clearly heard by rows of fans close to the bench and he had never heard anything like that before at a pro or college game. It was not Harrison's first profane tirade on the court but it was certainly his worst, and given the circumstance of his head coach being at his Dad's funeral, he chose to be an unruly child disrespecting the coaches authority instead of being respectful for what Lavin was going through at that moment.
Given those facts, had Lavin banished Harrison, he would have been hard pressed to find another D1 program willing to give him a shot. Lavin chose not to send the kid to the dumper, as he rightfully could have, and we all know it worked out. Even as posters here crapped on Lavin for destroying his team's NCAA chances with a season long suspension, Harrison for his part, in the aftermath was incredibly appreciative that LAvin suspended him. It was his path to redemption, and perhaps Lavin's best accomplishment, greater perhaps than 2 NCAA trips.
Zaun compared the non-interest in Rice to Harrison, not me. The school never pursued Rice, even though it was reported here ad nauseum. Not to mention the fact that having a former HC on the bench would cause idiots on here to push for Rice to replace Mullin after every single loss. Who those idiots are, is up to you to guess who. I'll give you a hint: Got a mirror in your house?
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[/quote]yup
You're going to get another time out.I hope you're not as sympathetic to your parish priest who got banished in terms of giving second chances. Then again, we have a bishop here who could play a little (Princeton JV) and probably coach a little too.[/quote]
What does a parish priest have to do with this? The Catholic faith is about second chances. St. John's university has been a pioneer of both first and second chances.
Why is it you are the only poster that stirs shit about time outside and demotions and verbal corporal punishment?
A you a survivor of sister Mary holy water's ruler to knuckles form of discipline? :dry:[/quote]
There are so many reasons on the no side to Rice that it was never a serious consideration.
The priest comment was a tweak - you should know about that. In one of Zaun's iterations he went on and on about atheism.
But you failed to answer the question also. Would we have gone after Harrison if he was dismissed for the disciplinary reasons SJU suspended him for? Lavin exercised compassion, but also considered that Harrison was his best player. Risk/reward scenario.
We weren't going to bring in a head coach type here. Slice thought he was head coach, and I'm sure we had enough of that type of thing on our bench.[/quote]
I'm really flummoxed by your D'Angelo Harrison comparison. If your answer is we shouldn't have given him a second chance then you learned nothing from that history. Lavin had the fortitude to suspend him with three options. He chose to better himself and we all welcomed him back with open arms. Well, maybe not you.
His fierce competitiveness was very similar to coach Rice. He arrived at St. John's as an 18 year old true freshman and even after a six month suspension became one of the greatest players in St. John's history.
Ironically in the offseason, he attended a camp led by former NBA player John Lucas to work on his anger management issues. While there, he met and befriended former Rutgers coach Mike Rice, the subject of this thread. The two drove to practices together and seeing how Rice, who allegedly made homophobic comments to players, worked on his own issues gave Harrison a new perspective on life.
As a junior, Harrison was named to the First Team All-Big East.
As far as not hiring former head coaches or experienced coaches, the two previous St. John's coaches recognized the importance of having experience around them.
Glen Braica, Chris Casey were and now are head coaches as was Jim Whitesell and coach Dunlap. Only this boneheaded coach has inexperienced people surrounding him and it shows.
Whatever your point is regarding Mike Rice, your argument is very soft.[/quote]
You are another really tiresome guy. I can only imagine what you are like in person.
D'Angelo Harrison got a second chance. Posters here turned on him after his suspension, and the rest turned on LAvin for suspending him. I was in favor of the second chance.
You are so bored and anxious to type a pile of shit that you don't bother to read. I said had he committed that offense at a competing school and got banished, St. John's would rightfully have avoided the potential headache of offering him a schollie. It would be appropriate and no one likes to add players where the baggage approached the value to a team. That's very different as to say that Lavin should not have given him a second chance.
No other than one of our most respected posters was at the away game where Harrison profanely went off at assistant coaches while Lavin was at his Dad's funeral. The poster messaged me before this blew up that Harrison's prolonged, loud, profane tirade against the coaches was clearly heard by rows of fans close to the bench and he had never heard anything like that before at a pro or college game. It was not Harrison's first profane tirade on the court but it was certainly his worst, and given the circumstance of his head coach being at his Dad's funeral, he chose to be an unruly child disrespecting the coaches authority instead of being respectful for what Lavin was going through at that moment.
Given those facts, had Lavin banished Harrison, he would have been hard pressed to find another D1 program willing to give him a shot. Lavin chose not to send the kid to the dumper, as he rightfully could have, and we all know it worked out. Even as posters here crapped on Lavin for destroying his team's NCAA chances with a season long suspension, Harrison for his part, in the aftermath was incredibly appreciative that LAvin suspended him. It was his path to redemption, and perhaps Lavin's best accomplishment, greater perhaps than 2 NCAA trips.
Zaun compared the non-interest in Rice to Harrison, not me. The school never pursued Rice, even though it was reported here ad nauseum. Not to mention the fact that having a former HC on the bench would cause idiots on here to push for Rice to replace Mullin after every single loss. Who those idiots are, is up to you to guess who. I'll give you a hint: Got a mirror in your house?
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