Bash Lavin all you want, but please understand desco that just because we don't bash Lavin all the time, doesn't make us "blind followers" of him. That's a misconception that you need to realize.
Just because many voice their opinions that they are tired of threads being derailed by Lavin bashing, doesn't mean they are blind followers or have their head in the sand.
Take me for instance, I'm disappointed in Lavin right now, no doubt, but I don't bring it all up the time because pretty much anything you can say bad about Lavin (recruiting, in game coaching, wardrobe, way he answers to media, etc.) has been said on this site over and over. Just because many don't bring it up constantly doesn't mean they like Lavin or support him blindly, they just post content that is relevant to the topic at hand.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
Bash Lavin all you want, but please understand desco that just because we don't bash Lavin all the time, doesn't make us "blind followers" of him. That's a misconception that you need to realize.
Just because many voice their opinions that they are tired of threads being derailed by Lavin bashing, doesn't mean they are blind followers or have their head in the sand.
Take me for instance, I'm disappointed in Lavin right now, no doubt, but I don't bring it all up the time because pretty much anything you can say bad about Lavin (recruiting, in game coaching, wardrobe, way he answers to media, etc.) has been said on this site over and over. Just because many don't bring it up constantly doesn't mean they like Lavin or support him blindly, they just post content that is relevant to the topic at hand.
you're in high school right? very well stated.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
Honestly I believe that you and a few others are hoping IB and others don't sign here with the hope that coach will leave or get terminated. The fact that we are this far into his recruitment with a coach that doesn't have an extension speaks volume. If he signs here you better get used to coach being here a lot longer. Sorry if that bothers you.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
To my knowledge, Lavin did not blindly go all out after this kid, and instead met with him, and tried to assess the kid and the situation. All of us at one time or another have been in a situation where we knew we shouldn't have been there and maybe even did a few things we weren't proud of when things got out of hand. Perhaps not rising to the level of sexual assault, but you get the point. I think Lavin was doing his due diligence on the kid, and then passed. I can't fault him for that.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
To my knowledge, Lavin did not blindly go all out after this kid, and instead met with him, and tried to assess the kid and the situation. All of us at one time or another have been in a situation where we knew we shouldn't have been there and maybe even did a few things we weren't proud of when things got out of hand. Perhaps not rising to the level of sexual assault, but you get the point. I think Lavin was doing his due diligence on the kid, and then passed. I can't fault him for that.
To my knowledge the administration was irate that we were even being mentioned with Artis after what happened at Oregon, what happened at St Johns 10 years ago and what the mission of SJU is supposed to be (FYI the mission isnt to recruit alleged sex offenders to the school's marquee sports team).
Even if Lavin was just "doing his homework" its a horrible job by him because he did have knowledge vaguely about what happened at Orgeon; and lets be honest - if he did his job in the first place and recruited players to fill the roster he wouldnt have even been asking about the Artis kid...so any way you slice it its on Lavin.
recruited a rapist?
I take it you aren't a defense lawyer?
Whether it's alleged or convicted makes little difference to the image of a Catholic school. Life isn't fair. A scholarship is a privilege, not an entitlement.
A coach recruiting a player like Artis better know he's got the ok to proceed from his administration.
It amazes me that mostly every thread has to have some bashing of our coach. Don't you get sick of consistently bashing?
Honestly, no. I think the program will be better off when he leaves. I'm sorry if that bothers you. But I also don't live with my head in the sand. If circumstances changed, my opinion of SL would as well. I would like nothing more than to say he's proving me wrong and the team is playing better than anyone expected.
But my tune won't change until he gives me a reason to. I don't have blind faith in this coach.
I would also think that St. John's would be less tolerant of this because of what happened in Pittsburgh ten years ago. That was really what sent the program into a complete tailspin after Jarvis was fired. Lavin should have used some common sense with the Artis situation and known beforehand that he was off limits. bForgiveness is one thing, but bringing in someone with this baggage after what transpired here in 2004 is not acceptable.
To my knowledge, Lavin did not blindly go all out after this kid, and instead met with him, and tried to assess the kid and the situation. All of us at one time or another have been in a situation where we knew we shouldn't have been there and maybe even did a few things we weren't proud of when things got out of hand. Perhaps not rising to the level of sexual assault, but you get the point. I think Lavin was doing his due diligence on the kid, and then passed. I can't fault him for that.
To my knowledge the administration was irate that we were even being mentioned with Artis after what happened at Oregon, what happened at St Johns 10 years ago and what the mission of SJU is supposed to be (FYI the mission isnt to recruit alleged sex offenders to the school's marquee sports team).
Even if Lavin was just "doing his homework" its a horrible job by him because he did have knowledge vaguely about what happened at Orgeon; and lets be honest - if he did his job in the first place and recruited players to fill the roster he wouldnt have even been asking about the Artis kid...so any way you slice it its on Lavin.
What is the exact mission of the University?
If you want to turn this into a religious debate regarding the mission of the university, is there not part of the mission that includes forgiving people and giving people second chances? And isn't there part of the mission that follows the phrase, "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."?
And obviously the mission of the university is not to recruit sex offenders. By the way, I find it interesting that you described him as 'alleged'. In other words, you described him as a suspected sex offender, not a convicted sex offender.....big difference.
If they truly want to follow the mission of the university, people like Artis should be the ones they are recruiting. Individuals who need help and need a second chance, especially when everyone else is turning their backs on them.