Mike Dunlap fired

Let’s get the revisionist history about that Dunlap season the hell outta here.

Moe Harkless always spoke highly of Dunlap and those freshman stuck together the entire year through a lot of losses. That team did not “fall apart”.

If Nurideen Lindsey and Malik Stith departures are supposed to prove that Mike Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together, then... yikes.

Stith wanted more playing time? Don’t we all? He wasn’t good. If he thought he could complain his way to more minutes, good on Dunlap for showing him the door.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=380910]Let’s get the revisionist history about that Dunlap season the hell outta here.

Moe Harkless always spoke highly of Dunlap and those freshman stuck together the entire year through a lot of losses. That team did not “fall apart”.

If Nurideen Lindsey and Malik Stith departures are supposed to prove that Mike Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together, then... yikes.

Stith wanted more playing time? Don’t we all? He wasn’t good. If he thought he could complain his way to more minutes, good on Dunlap for showing him the door.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the way the story went was that Nurideen Lindsay, who got off to an erratic start here and quit after 9 or 10 games, Malik Stith as a scholarship player expected more time. If i recall, our bench was already very short. When Stith didn't get any more time, he quit also. If you want to discount that two players quit on Dunlap in season, go ahead. If you want to discount that Bobcat players reportedly didn't like him, go ahead. And if you want to discount a 77-97 overall record at Marymount even considering that everyone's OOC is filled with cupcakes go ahead. Maybe Dunlap is very old school, i don't know.

But here, off the strength of just one season where we made the tourney, coupled with an increasing narrative that Lavin was a lazy, stupid coach, the notion that singularly elevated us that one season blossomed. His record since then says otherwise.
 
I can't tell you what Dunlap did at Marymount. Never saw a game and won't pretend to.

He was the perfect yin and yang to Lavin.

The year he had to be the HC we had 6 players. I repeat 6. Then when we were getting a 7th player eligible mid year (Amir), Nuri picked up and quit. Mind you all 6 were 1st year players at the college level.

Harkless
Harrison
Pointer
Greene
Gods Gift
Garrett

The bench was Stith who wasn't good and a bunch of walk ons.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]



Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.

Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.

Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]

It's not looking to take anyone down. It's simply stating that he has received so much praise on here with zero results at this level. If Dunlap was that good, wouldn't you expect evidence of it? Our Lavin teams were not well-coached. We would often play down to competition and players rarely got much better from freshman to senior. All I am seeing are people praising how he "kept the guys together" but that's not data. What data points suggest that Dunlap is anything other than a "meh" coach at this level? I don't care what he did at the no name schools. This is a totally different level. Not trying to be harsh, just never understood all his praises. We were not a good team when he coached.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=380910]Let’s get the revisionist history about that Dunlap season the hell outta here.

Moe Harkless always spoke highly of Dunlap and those freshman stuck together the entire year through a lot of losses. That team did not “fall apart”.

If Nurideen Lindsey and Malik Stith departures are supposed to prove that Mike Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together, then... yikes.

Stith wanted more playing time? Don’t we all? He wasn’t good. If he thought he could complain his way to more minutes, good on Dunlap for showing him the door.[/quote]

He seems like a great guy, but this is not evidence that he's a great coach at this level. Players always publicly support coaches regardless. I was getting nervous about CMA once we started losing practically every Big East game, but he has earned my trust for now with player development clearly seen in Champ, Roberts, Earlington, Williams, etc. and with big wins over WVU, Arizona, and Creighton which were all top 10 NET wins or very close in year 1. He also finished a rebuilding regular season with a record over .500 in a tough Big East year. So there is evidence to defend CMA being a good coach for us at this juncture. I just don't see any hard evidence with Dunlap.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=380916]I can't tell you what Dunlap did at Marymount. Never saw a game and won't pretend to.

He was the perfect yin and yang to Lavin.

The year he had to be the HC we had 6 players. I repeat 6. Then when we were getting a 7th player eligible mid year (Amir), Nuri picked up and quit. Mind you all 6 were 1st year players at the college level.

Harkless
Harrison
Pointer
Greene
Gods Gift
Garrett

The bench was Stith who wasn't good and a bunch of walk ons.[/quote]

Agree 100%

Which is even more reason why perhaps Lindsay and stith may have been handled better by a live in
 
Don’t forget, this guy was able to parlay his time here into HC of an NBA team owned by Michael Jordan. I’m sure MJ has some contacts who gave high praise for Dunlap.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=380918][quote="Jack Williams" post=380910]Let’s get the revisionist history about that Dunlap season the hell outta here.

Moe Harkless always spoke highly of Dunlap and those freshman stuck together the entire year through a lot of losses. That team did not “fall apart”.

If Nurideen Lindsey and Malik Stith departures are supposed to prove that Mike Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together, then... yikes.

Stith wanted more playing time? Don’t we all? He wasn’t good. If he thought he could complain his way to more minutes, good on Dunlap for showing him the door.[/quote]

He seems like a great guy, but this is not evidence that he's a great coach at this level. Players always publicly support coaches regardless. I was getting nervous about CMA once we started losing practically every Big East game, but he has earned my trust for now with player development clearly seen in Champ, Roberts, Earlington, Williams, etc. and with big wins over WVU, Arizona, and Creighton which were all top 10 NET wins or very close in year 1. He also finished a rebuilding regular season with a record over .500 in a tough Big East year. So there is evidence to defend CMA being a good coach for us at this juncture. I just don't see any hard evidence with Dunlap.[/quote]

Except I never argued that he was a great coach at this level. Comprehension is important.

I was arguing against the notion that Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together during his year as coach.

Remember, we were in the OLD big east. With a young team with virtually no bench. Through a lot of losses our guys didn’t hold their head. We lost 2 guys, one who literally never played basketball again. And Lindsey played one year at rider... what happened to him? Would we blame Mullin for losing LoVett? No because we all understood he was erratic and probably wasn’t going to stick around long. Should be the same case here but some posters have some “Lavin Love” in their system and thing tearing down Dunlap will make Lavin look better in retrospect.

When the truth is lavin never reached the heights of his first year here even though he had more talented teams specifically in his second to last season and his last. Maybe Dunlap would’ve helped
 
[quote="SJU14" post=380950]Don’t forget, this guy was able to parlay his time here into HC of an NBA team owned by Michael Jordan. I’m sure MJ has some contacts who gave high praise for Dunlap.[/quote]

Took over a 7 win team and won 21 games. Still was fired.

How many wins did they expect?
 
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[quote="Jack Williams" post=380971][quote="Mike Zaun" post=380918][quote="Jack Williams" post=380910]Let’s get the revisionist history about that Dunlap season the hell outta here.

Moe Harkless always spoke highly of Dunlap and those freshman stuck together the entire year through a lot of losses. That team did not “fall apart”.

If Nurideen Lindsey and Malik Stith departures are supposed to prove that Mike Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together, then... yikes.

Stith wanted more playing time? Don’t we all? He wasn’t good. If he thought he could complain his way to more minutes, good on Dunlap for showing him the door.[/quote]

He seems like a great guy, but this is not evidence that he's a great coach at this level. Players always publicly support coaches regardless. I was getting nervous about CMA once we started losing practically every Big East game, but he has earned my trust for now with player development clearly seen in Champ, Roberts, Earlington, Williams, etc. and with big wins over WVU, Arizona, and Creighton which were all top 10 NET wins or very close in year 1. He also finished a rebuilding regular season with a record over .500 in a tough Big East year. So there is evidence to defend CMA being a good coach for us at this juncture. I just don't see any hard evidence with Dunlap.[/quote]

Except I never argued that he was a great coach at this level. Comprehension is important.

I was arguing against the notion that Dunlap couldn’t hold the team together during his year as coach.

Remember, we were in the OLD big east. With a young team with virtually no bench. Through a lot of losses our guys didn’t hold their head. We lost 2 guys, one who literally never played basketball again. And Lindsey played one year at rider... what happened to him? Would we blame Mullin for losing LoVett? No because we all understood he was erratic and probably wasn’t going to stick around long. Should be the same case here but some posters have some “Lavin Love” in their system and thing tearing down Dunlap will make Lavin look better in retrospect.

When the truth is lavin never reached the heights of his first year here even though he had more talented teams specifically in his second to last season and his last. Maybe Dunlap would’ve helped[/quote]

Lavin's last season was starting to resemble his first. We were talked about as a dark horse for the Final Four. D'Angelo was a Wooden award finalist, one of 18 or so in the country. Then Harrison hurt his shoulder badly and wasn't the same. Then Obekpa got suspended for the tourney, and we wiped out. I wonder how we would have done down the stretch with Harrison playing at the level he was before the injury and a smoke free Obekpa. Still and all that bench was very short and we only essentially played a 6 man rotation. But still, it was a talented team that couldn't afford to lose CO and DH.
 
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