Mike Dunlap fired
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[quote="salty dog" post=380766]So much for him being the genius behind Lavin Out at Loyola Marymount[/quote]
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.
JohnnyFever
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Dunlap is a nice guy but I've never seen someone so average at best get treated like a legend on this board by in large lol...kinda odd IMO.
He won two national championships and was runner-up at Metro State...a non scholarship school. He won 250 of the team's 300 games. Before that, he won a national championship and was semi-finalist at a team in Australia. He can flat-out coach, if you believe the record. He flat-out can't recruit...which is what gets it done at division I schools.
L J S A
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[quote="newsman13" post=380790]He flat-out can't recruit...which is what gets it done at division I schools.[/quote]
And LMU has been a school that's been tough to recruit to in recent years (probably decades). It wasn't the best fit, but he wanted to be a D-1 head coach. There will be no shortage of offers to him as an assistant.
And LMU has been a school that's been tough to recruit to in recent years (probably decades). It wasn't the best fit, but he wanted to be a D-1 head coach. There will be no shortage of offers to him as an assistant.
[quote="newsman13" post=380790]He won two national championships and was runner-up at Metro State...a non scholarship school. He won 250 of the team's 300 games. Before that, he won a national championship and was semi-finalist at a team in Australia. He can flat-out coach, if you believe the record. He flat-out can't recruit...which is what gets it done at division I schools.[/quote]
Finally something I agree with Newsie about!!
Dunlap can flat out coach. He and lavin were a perfect match, the strengths of each played to the weaknesses of the the other. Too bad Lavin got sick, and Michael Jordan was dumb enough to offer an NBA HC gig to an assistant coach on a middling BE program. Had neither happened, our recent history would be very different. Heck, they might both still be here.
Finally something I agree with Newsie about!!
Dunlap can flat out coach. He and lavin were a perfect match, the strengths of each played to the weaknesses of the the other. Too bad Lavin got sick, and Michael Jordan was dumb enough to offer an NBA HC gig to an assistant coach on a middling BE program. Had neither happened, our recent history would be very different. Heck, they might both still be here.
beast of the east
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Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=380823][quote="newsman13" post=380790]He won two national championships and was runner-up at Metro State...a non scholarship school. He won 250 of the team's 300 games. Before that, he won a national championship and was semi-finalist at a team in Australia. He can flat-out coach, if you believe the record. He flat-out can't recruit...which is what gets it done at division I schools.[/quote]
Finally something I agree with Newsie about!!
Dunlap can flat out coach. He and lavin were a perfect match, the strengths of each played to the weaknesses of the the other. Too bad Lavin got sick, and Michael Jordan was dumb enough to offer an NBA HC gig to an assistant coach on a middling BE program. Had neither happened, our recent history would be very different. Heck, they might both still be here.[/quote]
I don't think both would still be here. Dunlap likely would have left for a west coast head coaching job at some point. It was no secret that he wasn't a big fan of New York City.
Finally something I agree with Newsie about!!
Dunlap can flat out coach. He and lavin were a perfect match, the strengths of each played to the weaknesses of the the other. Too bad Lavin got sick, and Michael Jordan was dumb enough to offer an NBA HC gig to an assistant coach on a middling BE program. Had neither happened, our recent history would be very different. Heck, they might both still be here.[/quote]
I don't think both would still be here. Dunlap likely would have left for a west coast head coaching job at some point. It was no secret that he wasn't a big fan of New York City.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Dealing with players was not his strength.
But, when you only coach 1 year, it's hard to build up a lot of bad will. He was the perfect assistant for Lavin, but not a BE caliber head coach (that means everything that comes with being a head coach).
Dealing with players was not his strength.
But, when you only coach 1 year, it's hard to build up a lot of bad will. He was the perfect assistant for Lavin, but not a BE caliber head coach (that means everything that comes with being a head coach).
[quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]
Not kicking him, but if you remember, after the debacle with the kid from Philly, Nurideen Lindsay who got off to a horrific start and quiet after 10 games, Malik Stith also quit over not getting playing time or at least the shot he thought he deserved. In the huddle, players not getting run at all disrespected Dunlap by not paying attention at all.
We also had an NBA 1st round pick, Moe Harkless, and God's gift.
No matter what people say about Lavin, he had the players respect and affection, and to a man, all still exchange warm messages on social media with him, even problem child Chris Obekpa. At this level, the Big East, Dunlap was a perfect #2 guy and I'm guessing he was very well compensated here. Coaching kids, especially today, takes a lot more than X's and O's. To me Lavin had all the other important stuff, and Dunlap was a much better tactician. It was a rock solid hire, and I'm guessing if Mullin had a Dunlap type on his staff he may still be here.
There's a big difference between shoveling dirt on someone and intelligently and without malice discuss his strengths and deficiencies. He's not a kid, he is a highly paid coach, and nothing I said was personal. I'm disappointed in you, especially since you went along with all the commentary of Mullin's work effort, when the only thing that ever matters is results.
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]
Not kicking him, but if you remember, after the debacle with the kid from Philly, Nurideen Lindsay who got off to a horrific start and quiet after 10 games, Malik Stith also quit over not getting playing time or at least the shot he thought he deserved. In the huddle, players not getting run at all disrespected Dunlap by not paying attention at all.
We also had an NBA 1st round pick, Moe Harkless, and God's gift.
No matter what people say about Lavin, he had the players respect and affection, and to a man, all still exchange warm messages on social media with him, even problem child Chris Obekpa. At this level, the Big East, Dunlap was a perfect #2 guy and I'm guessing he was very well compensated here. Coaching kids, especially today, takes a lot more than X's and O's. To me Lavin had all the other important stuff, and Dunlap was a much better tactician. It was a rock solid hire, and I'm guessing if Mullin had a Dunlap type on his staff he may still be here.
There's a big difference between shoveling dirt on someone and intelligently and without malice discuss his strengths and deficiencies. He's not a kid, he is a highly paid coach, and nothing I said was personal. I'm disappointed in you, especially since you went along with all the commentary of Mullin's work effort, when the only thing that ever matters is results.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=380838][quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]
Not kicking him, but if you remember, after the debacle with the kid from Philly, Nurideen Lindsay who got off to a horrific start and quiet after 10 games, Malik Stith also quit over not getting playing time or at least the shot he thought he deserved. In the huddle, players not getting run at all disrespected Dunlap by not paying attention at all.
We also had an NBA 1st round pick, Moe Harkless, and God's gift.
No matter what people say about Lavin, he had the players respect and affection, and to a man, all still exchange warm messages on social media with him, even problem child Chris Obekpa. At this level, the Big East, Dunlap was a perfect #2 guy and I'm guessing he was very well compensated here. Coaching kids, especially today, takes a lot more than X's and O's. To me Lavin had all the other important stuff, and Dunlap was a much better tactician. It was a rock solid hire, and I'm guessing if Mullin had a Dunlap type on his staff he may still be here.
There's a big difference between shoveling dirt on someone and intelligently and without malice discuss his strengths and deficiencies. He's not a kid, he is a highly paid coach, and nothing I said was personal. I'm disappointed in you, especially since you went along with all the commentary of Mullin's work effort, when the only thing that ever matters is results.[/quote]
Malik Stith was not a Big East Player. Nurideen Lindsay lost it when he missed those two free throws at the end of the Arizona game. You would have a point if Nurideen happened to light it up at Rider, but he flamed out there also. God's Gift definitely was not Precious.
Coach Lavin had his staff set up very well, with Dunlap, Chiles, and Hines. Once he got sick, the dynamic changed. The result, especially with a young team, was dysfunction. However, the blame forthat can't be placed on Coach Dunlap.
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]
Not kicking him, but if you remember, after the debacle with the kid from Philly, Nurideen Lindsay who got off to a horrific start and quiet after 10 games, Malik Stith also quit over not getting playing time or at least the shot he thought he deserved. In the huddle, players not getting run at all disrespected Dunlap by not paying attention at all.
We also had an NBA 1st round pick, Moe Harkless, and God's gift.
No matter what people say about Lavin, he had the players respect and affection, and to a man, all still exchange warm messages on social media with him, even problem child Chris Obekpa. At this level, the Big East, Dunlap was a perfect #2 guy and I'm guessing he was very well compensated here. Coaching kids, especially today, takes a lot more than X's and O's. To me Lavin had all the other important stuff, and Dunlap was a much better tactician. It was a rock solid hire, and I'm guessing if Mullin had a Dunlap type on his staff he may still be here.
There's a big difference between shoveling dirt on someone and intelligently and without malice discuss his strengths and deficiencies. He's not a kid, he is a highly paid coach, and nothing I said was personal. I'm disappointed in you, especially since you went along with all the commentary of Mullin's work effort, when the only thing that ever matters is results.[/quote]
Malik Stith was not a Big East Player. Nurideen Lindsay lost it when he missed those two free throws at the end of the Arizona game. You would have a point if Nurideen happened to light it up at Rider, but he flamed out there also. God's Gift definitely was not Precious.
Coach Lavin had his staff set up very well, with Dunlap, Chiles, and Hines. Once he got sick, the dynamic changed. The result, especially with a young team, was dysfunction. However, the blame forthat can't be placed on Coach Dunlap.
[quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.
[quote="bamafan" post=380770][quote="salty dog" post=380766]So much for him being the genius behind Lavin Out at Loyola Marymount[/quote]
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.[/quote]
I think his weakness was recruiting.
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.[/quote]
I think his weakness was recruiting.
[quote="dee" post=380879][quote="bamafan" post=380770][quote="salty dog" post=380766]So much for him being the genius behind Lavin Out at Loyola Marymount[/quote]
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.[/quote]
I think his weakness was recruiting.[/quote]
I think handling different personalities, and managing the locker room, was his big weakness. That's what made him a good counter to Lavin, because those were Lavin's strengths.
Assistant coaches and head coaches are 2 different things. A great assistant does not necessarily make a good head coach. As they say moving one seat over on the bench is a big move.[/quote]
I think his weakness was recruiting.[/quote]
I think handling different personalities, and managing the locker room, was his big weakness. That's what made him a good counter to Lavin, because those were Lavin's strengths.
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beast of the east
Active member
[quote="Section3" post=380870][quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
beast of the east
Active member
[quote="Section3" post=380870][quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
77-97 after 6 seasons.
https://247sports.com/Article/Loyol...ge-basketball-coaches-hot-seat-WCC-144782139/
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
77-97 after 6 seasons.
https://247sports.com/Article/Loyol...ge-basketball-coaches-hot-seat-WCC-144782139/
[quote="Beast of the East" post=380902][quote="Section3" post=380870][quote="panther2" post=380836][quote="Beast of the East" post=380825]Let's not make this guy the second coming. When he took over for Lavin in year 2, the wheels fell off the team, on a roster that now looks a lot better than it did at the time.[/quote]
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
77-97 after 6 seasons.
https://247sports.com/Article/Loyol...ge-basketball-coaches-hot-seat-WCC-144782139/[/quote]
Why are we doing this?
Stop it Beast, there were five freshmen starting once Amir became eligible. Additionally, this was before Harrison got his life on track. If I remember correctly, most on here were wondering what what Phil and Dom were doing in the Big East. Have those posting negative comments forgotten that it was Coach Dunlap who put the ball in Dwight Hardy's hands which lead to an NCAA bid in Lavin's first season.
Why is it that some are always looking to take someone down. Coach Dunlap was extremely good with x and o's, however that does not equal success without the players. He won 22 games last year at LMU. This year, his three best players got hurt and were sidelined the entire season.
Would it have been difficult to just wish him well as he goes on with his life? Not sure what satisfaction what some on here got by kicking a man when he is down.[/quote]had to be something there. Realize his pro tenure was short lived but you don’t get there without some knowledgeable folks thinking highly of you.[/quote]
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615039-charlotte-bobcats-firing-mike-dunlap-is-the-right-move
Probably not the best at handling kids although this was one opinion
77-97 after 6 seasons.
https://247sports.com/Article/Loyol...ge-basketball-coaches-hot-seat-WCC-144782139/[/quote]
Why are we doing this?