Max Hooper

His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….
 
His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….

There is never a single person responsible for a loss that's certain. My VERY first redmen game when I was a teen, I believe was a loss to Army when Richie Lyons dribbled a ball off his foot late in the game. Regardless of the loss, I wouldn't have remembered the game had it not been for that critical play (if it even happened - it was a long long time ago)

Hoopers gaffe was critical at the worst possible moment - VICTORY had already been achieved, and had to be preserved. We had the lead, the ball, and the clock on our side.

St. John's ran a basic press break as far as I could see. Two guards start out at the defensive wings extended, and criss cross, one setting a pick for the other. One guy ends up with the ball. He is supposed to leave enough room between himself and the baseline to get it back to the player inbounding if the ball can't quickly be advanced upcourt. Hooper left no room and got trapped on the baseline. Error #1. Then he immediately panicked and gave up his dribble under pressure. Error #2. Then instead of keeping his composure and finding the open man, he covered up like a turtle going into his shell - or the way 4th grade kids do when they have no court sense or ballhandling skills. Error #3. In doing do, he actually completely panicked and appeared to try to hold the ball until time expired or he got fouled. In doing so, he showed too much ball (he may have tried to extend his arms out of bounds so no one could get to it, but at that point he was probably 2 feet inbounds. error #5. in all of this he failed to call time out error #6.

The biggest error of all was that he was on the court. That one goes on Lavin, who had a speedy ballhandling point guard on the bench (who for the short memory in all of us, did get stripped driving to the hoop late in the previous loss) Error #7

Why focus so much on this single play? In a game we absolutely needed to right a sinking ship and save the season the game was right there to be won as long as we didn't turn the ball over. In that regard, it reminded me of the Syracuse loss at Alumni hall so long ago. only this time the fans held their collective breaths hoping for a win, instead of screaming with premature bravado that "We're number one" as Bernard Rencher stepped to the line for a game cinching 1 and 1 from an 80+% FT shooter. That loss was worse because the pain lingered for a very long time. This loss is worse because it effectively killed our season.
 
You hit the nail right on the head. What in God's name is Hooper doing on the court at that time?
The Syr. game you noted sticks in my brain for this reason. Rancher was fouled with 7 seconds to go. When he was fouled he had the opportunity to pass the ball to Reggie Carter who was about 10 ft. away. Had he done that by the time Syr. fouled the clock would have been down to 3 or 4 with Carter on the line and SJU up by one. Carter like Rencher was a very good foul shooter and even if he missed those 3 or 4 elapsed seconds would have insured victory. I still see the Syr. basket with at the buzzer without the charge call.
 
You hit the nail right on the head. What in God's name is Hooper doing on the court at that time?
The Syr. game you noted sticks in my brain for this reason. Rancher was fouled with 7 seconds to go. When he was fouled he had the opportunity to pass the ball to Reggie Carter who was about 10 ft. away. Had he done that by the time Syr. fouled the clock would have been down to 3 or 4 with Carter on the line and SJU up by one. Carter like Rencher was a very good foul shooter and even if he missed those 3 or 4 elapsed seconds would have insured victory. I still see the Syr. basket with at the buzzer without the charge call.

Orr goes up, Carter underneath him. loads of contact as Orr crashes into Carter as he releases the ball. Frozen in time - crowd screama become a blur then dead silence waiting. Ball goes in. Whistle blows. Hope against hope. Submarine by Carter. GAME OVER. 6000 fans in the place kicked in the stomach, tens of thousands more around the country.
 
Did not see the court in the first half and boy are we playing great. Sampson 1-5 and lousy defense. Yea, its all Hooper's fault.
 
His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….

I have no doubt that is the reason Hooper is here. Ole Chip is a heavy hitter in LA. The kid was not ranked coming out of HS or Prep school. Did zero at Harvard, and winds up here being touted as the answer to our outside shooting problems? It didn't make sense then but now it does.
 
His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….

There is never a single person responsible for a loss that's certain. My VERY first redmen game when I was a teen, I believe was a loss to Army when Richie Lyons dribbled a ball off his foot late in the game. Regardless of the loss, I wouldn't have remembered the game had it not been for that critical play (if it even happened - it was a long long time ago)

Hoopers gaffe was critical at the worst possible moment - VICTORY had already been achieved, and had to be preserved. We had the lead, the ball, and the clock on our side.

St. John's ran a basic press break as far as I could see. Two guards start out at the defensive wings extended, and criss cross, one setting a pick for the other. One guy ends up with the ball. He is supposed to leave enough room between himself and the baseline to get it back to the player inbounding if the ball can't quickly be advanced upcourt. Hooper left no room and got trapped on the baseline. Error #1. Then he immediately panicked and gave up his dribble under pressure. Error #2. Then instead of keeping his composure and finding the open man, he covered up like a turtle going into his shell - or the way 4th grade kids do when they have no court sense or ballhandling skills. Error #3. In doing do, he actually completely panicked and appeared to try to hold the ball until time expired or he got fouled. In doing so, he showed too much ball (he may have tried to extend his arms out of bounds so no one could get to it, but at that point he was probably 2 feet inbounds. error #5. in all of this he failed to call time out error #6.

The biggest error of all was that he was on the court. That one goes on Lavin, who had a speedy ballhandling point guard on the bench (who for the short memory in all of us, did get stripped driving to the hoop late in the previous loss) Error #7

Why focus so much on this single play? In a game we absolutely needed to right a sinking ship and save the season the game was right there to be won as long as we didn't turn the ball over. In that regard, it reminded me of the Syracuse loss at Alumni hall so long ago. only this time the fans held their collective breaths hoping for a win, instead of screaming with premature bravado that "We're number one" as Bernard Rencher stepped to the line for a game cinching 1 and 1 from an 80+% FT shooter. That loss was worse because the pain lingered for a very long time. This loss is worse because it effectively killed our season.

Actually, I believe that Lyons was called for a double dribble as the team was setting up for the final shot of the game.
 
His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….

There is never a single person responsible for a loss that's certain. My VERY first redmen game when I was a teen, I believe was a loss to Army when Richie Lyons dribbled a ball off his foot late in the game. Regardless of the loss, I wouldn't have remembered the game had it not been for that critical play (if it even happened - it was a long long time ago)

Hoopers gaffe was critical at the worst possible moment - VICTORY had already been achieved, and had to be preserved. We had the lead, the ball, and the clock on our side.

St. John's ran a basic press break as far as I could see. Two guards start out at the defensive wings extended, and criss cross, one setting a pick for the other. One guy ends up with the ball. He is supposed to leave enough room between himself and the baseline to get it back to the player inbounding if the ball can't quickly be advanced upcourt. Hooper left no room and got trapped on the baseline. Error #1. Then he immediately panicked and gave up his dribble under pressure. Error #2. Then instead of keeping his composure and finding the open man, he covered up like a turtle going into his shell - or the way 4th grade kids do when they have no court sense or ballhandling skills. Error #3. In doing do, he actually completely panicked and appeared to try to hold the ball until time expired or he got fouled. In doing so, he showed too much ball (he may have tried to extend his arms out of bounds so no one could get to it, but at that point he was probably 2 feet inbounds. error #5. in all of this he failed to call time out error #6.

The biggest error of all was that he was on the court. That one goes on Lavin, who had a speedy ballhandling point guard on the bench (who for the short memory in all of us, did get stripped driving to the hoop late in the previous loss) Error #7

Why focus so much on this single play? In a game we absolutely needed to right a sinking ship and save the season the game was right there to be won as long as we didn't turn the ball over. In that regard, it reminded me of the Syracuse loss at Alumni hall so long ago. only this time the fans held their collective breaths hoping for a win, instead of screaming with premature bravado that "We're number one" as Bernard Rencher stepped to the line for a game cinching 1 and 1 from an 80+% FT shooter. That loss was worse because the pain lingered for a very long time. This loss is worse because it effectively killed our season.

Actually, I believe that Lyons was called for a double dribble as the team was setting up for the final shot of the game.

Great recollection on your part Ray. I can remember where I was sitting, and only had the vaguest recollection. The opponent was Army, correct? We did lose, right? What year was it?

The clearest recollection I had was that I was amazed that there was a college program in Queens that could pack 6,000 loud fans into a gym, and there was real energy and competitiveness that I thought only existed in NBA games. I'm sure it influenced my decision to come here several years later.
 
Not that is was the right call but I believe Lavins thoughts were that he were a good FT shooter and wanted to have him on the floor. Option 1 should have been Harrison as he as an 82% +/- FT shooter but I believe Hooper is # 2 or 3. If hooper make the FT's and seals the victory we love him. Hind sight is always 20/20.
 
His father Chip is absolutely loaded; manages several musical acts and an agency.

Max Hooper has NOTHING to worry about.

Shame for people on here blaming a game on 1 or 2 kids.

Just like the individual (won't mention names) who complained about the kids not shaking hands; they all ran back on to the court last night to shake. If you want to critcize people on here that is fine but at least criticize facts. And if i don't forget these are 18-22 year old kids. Coaching has not been great and not putting them in the best position to win. I like Lavin, I've spent some time with him over the past few years, but he has not done a good with THIS TEAM THIS YEAR. I give him a pass but after this no more execuses. Blame the coaches not the kids. Maybe Jordan should have been in the end to penetrate and get to hoop that is a strength; not Phil's. But phil was put in that position.


I am certainly not blaming Hooper for the loss of the game. Should he have known better? Yes. But I have been rather vocal in my opinion that Lavin is the problem here- including putting Hooper in that play in the first place.

But now that you mention that Hooper’s father has a talent agency, Lavin’s recruitment of him is all adding up now….

There is never a single person responsible for a loss that's certain. My VERY first redmen game when I was a teen, I believe was a loss to Army when Richie Lyons dribbled a ball off his foot late in the game. Regardless of the loss, I wouldn't have remembered the game had it not been for that critical play (if it even happened - it was a long long time ago)

Hoopers gaffe was critical at the worst possible moment - VICTORY had already been achieved, and had to be preserved. We had the lead, the ball, and the clock on our side.

St. John's ran a basic press break as far as I could see. Two guards start out at the defensive wings extended, and criss cross, one setting a pick for the other. One guy ends up with the ball. He is supposed to leave enough room between himself and the baseline to get it back to the player inbounding if the ball can't quickly be advanced upcourt. Hooper left no room and got trapped on the baseline. Error #1. Then he immediately panicked and gave up his dribble under pressure. Error #2. Then instead of keeping his composure and finding the open man, he covered up like a turtle going into his shell - or the way 4th grade kids do when they have no court sense or ballhandling skills. Error #3. In doing do, he actually completely panicked and appeared to try to hold the ball until time expired or he got fouled. In doing so, he showed too much ball (he may have tried to extend his arms out of bounds so no one could get to it, but at that point he was probably 2 feet inbounds. error #5. in all of this he failed to call time out error #6.

The biggest error of all was that he was on the court. That one goes on Lavin, who had a speedy ballhandling point guard on the bench (who for the short memory in all of us, did get stripped driving to the hoop late in the previous loss) Error #7

Why focus so much on this single play? In a game we absolutely needed to right a sinking ship and save the season the game was right there to be won as long as we didn't turn the ball over. In that regard, it reminded me of the Syracuse loss at Alumni hall so long ago. only this time the fans held their collective breaths hoping for a win, instead of screaming with premature bravado that "We're number one" as Bernard Rencher stepped to the line for a game cinching 1 and 1 from an 80+% FT shooter. That loss was worse because the pain lingered for a very long time. This loss is worse because it effectively killed our season.

Actually, I believe that Lyons was called for a double dribble as the team was setting up for the final shot of the game.

Great recollection on your part Ray. I can remember where I was sitting, and only had the vaguest recollection. The opponent was Army, correct? We did lose, right? What year was it?

The clearest recollection I had was that I was amazed that there was a college program in Queens that could pack 6,000 loud fans into a gym, and there was real energy and competitiveness that I thought only existed in NBA games. I'm sure it influenced my decision to come here several years later.

It was 1972. We lost to Army, who had a really nice guard named Bobby Sherwin. Close game, and Richie Lyons is setting up with St. John's down maybe a bucket under a minute to go. He double dribbles just past mid court.
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?

Was that DePauL and Dallas Comegys?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html

I think it was DePaul and there were like 6 or 7 seconds left and Mark Jackson took the ball downcourt and threw up a rushed shot that missed
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?

Was that DePauL and Dallas Comegys?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html

I think it was DePaul and there were like 6 or 7 seconds left and Mark Jackson took the ball downcourt and threw up a rushed shot that missed

See link above for details. Remember cursing at Terry Bross & breaking my 12 inch TV.
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?

Was that DePauL and Dallas Comegys?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html

I think it was DePaul and there were like 6 or 7 seconds left and Mark Jackson took the ball downcourt and threw up a rushed shot that missed

See link above for details. Remember cursing at Terry Bross & breaking my 12 inch TV.

"Terrible" Terry Bross. Didn't he pitch for the Mets?
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?

Was that DePauL and Dallas Comegys?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html

I think it was DePaul and there were like 6 or 7 seconds left and Mark Jackson took the ball downcourt and threw up a rushed shot that missed

See link above for details. Remember cursing at Terry Bross & breaking my 12 inch TV.

"Terrible" Terry Bross. Didn't he pitch for the Mets?

I know he was in their farm system, not sure if he ever made it to the big leagues.
 
I have one of those sour memories. It's a bit fuzzy as to the year, but I believe it was in the NCAA's when, we were up by 1 with one second left and Ohio State at the foul line with one foul shot to go. An intentional miss and put back killed us. Completely unexpected....a real heartbreaker! Anyone else have a clearer memory?

Was that DePauL and Dallas Comegys?

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/s...rases-15-point-lead-demons-tie-late-foul.html

I think it was DePaul and there were like 6 or 7 seconds left and Mark Jackson took the ball downcourt and threw up a rushed shot that missed

See link above for details. Remember cursing at Terry Bross & breaking my 12 inch TV.

"Terrible" Terry Bross. Didn't he pitch for the Mets?

I know he was in their farm system, not sure if he ever made it to the big leagues.

This NCAA game was at DePaul, no longer an option to play at home in Tourney.
 
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