Mark Jackson and the NBA

[BrookJersey Redmen]

I heard Carton and Boomer talking this morning about Mark Jackson's ouster at Golden State and the recent street corner preaching he did in L.A. I found the link and it reminded me of those guys on the Macy's corners near the Garden. A little bizarre. Carton says this probably means NBA owners won't take a chance on hiring him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ark-jackson-did-some-street-corner-preaching/

 

[MarkRedman]

Carton is a tool - I can't listen to him and don't put much stock in his theories about issues related to sports

Mark's "problem" in not getting another gig may have more to do with the rumors about his inability to get along with the "suits" in the front office than his "preaching"

 

[basketballjones]

I'm not surprised that he hasn't been hired. The video shows him ranting and saying nothing. It's embarrassing frankly.

 

[MainMan]

Mark Jackson is crazy.... for Jesus!

 

[LJSA]

I'd like to hear from all the posters who were arguing for Jackson as coach. Still want him?

 

[Redmen07]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

 

[1and1sju]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

 

[Redmen07]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

 

[beast of the east]

I'm not surprised that he hasn't been hired. The video shows him ranting and saying nothing. It's embarrassing frankly.

I'm more embarrassed by other behaviors than an evangelical Christian proclaiming the Gospel. To me at least, the fact that he IS Mark Jackson, a nationally known NBA former player and coach, only adds to the respect I have for his street corner preaching. He's always kind of rubbed me the wrong way, but people I know who know him back to his Loughlin days have said what a great guy he is.

 

[otis]

Mark Jackson has always been among my favorite StJohn's players.

I recall seeing him play in Glens Falls standing at the foul line to take a free throw and line up the basket as he was accustomed doing with his extended arm. I turned to the friend I was sitting with and said that that habit wouldn't last in the Big East. Fast forward through college and through a great NBA career and Mark continued his habit of lining up his free throw and making a good percentage of them.

Mark Jackson reflects positively on StJohn's University.

 

[plandome4]

I honestly don't want Mark or Chris or any legend we have coaching this program. They are held in high regard and respected among the fans. One season and a qustionable record and this board will rip his legend to pieces. I don't want to put our/their legeacy in jeopardy of ruin. There are plenty of possible future coaches out there. Stay away from our history.**Disclaimer....This is just MY opinion****

 

[1and1sju]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

 

[ErickTheRed]

Don't want him, nothing to do with his religious beliefs, always rubbed me the wrong way, especially with his comments when asked about job said something to the effect that he doesn't wear SJU underwear to bed. Some say the reason Golden St cut ties with him was that an front office exec is openly gay and his beliefs differ

 

[paultzman]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

Xavier is an excellent example.

Let's hope Lavin, without an extension until after season probably, will get the job done with a NCAA T bid & an excellent recruiting year. If so, we won't have to be concerned about future coaches for a while hopefully. If he fails to achieve those goals, I suspect we will once again be discussing program leadership. In fairness, not having extension in hand, is not helpful in achieving recruiting success. This is very tricky. Just my opinion.

 

[1and1sju]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

Xavier is an excellent example.

Let's hope Lavin, without an extension until after season probably, will get the job done with a NCAA T bid & an excellent recruiting year. If so, we won't have to be concerned about future coaches for a while hopefully. If he fails to achieve those goals, I suspect we will once again be discussing program leadership. In fairness, not having extension in hand, is not helpful in achieving recruiting success. This is very tricky. Just my opinion.

Paultz, it sounds like you are trying mightily to be optimistic. I'm jealous, I wish I could feel that way.
I'm pretty convinced we'll be looking for a new coach next spring.

 

[redfazed]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

Xavier is an excellent example.

Let's hope Lavin, without an extension until after season probably, will get the job done with a NCAA T bid & an excellent recruiting year. If so, we won't have to be concerned about future coaches for a while hopefully. If he fails to achieve those goals, I suspect we will once again be discussing program leadership. In fairness, not having extension in hand, is not helpful in achieving recruiting success. This is very tricky. Just my opinion.

Paultz, it sounds like you are trying mightily to be optimistic. I'm jealous, I wish I could feel that way.
I'm pretty convinced we'll be looking for a new coach next spring.

Curious-- what makes either of you think that Monasch will wait until the end of next year to make a decision on an extension?

 

[sirvoo]

i took a lot of flak for bashing Jax as a coach and person. Truth is he probably is not as bad as I was portraying him, but still not my type of character.

 

[1and1sju]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

Xavier is an excellent example.

Let's hope Lavin, without an extension until after season probably, will get the job done with a NCAA T bid & an excellent recruiting year. If so, we won't have to be concerned about future coaches for a while hopefully. If he fails to achieve those goals, I suspect we will once again be discussing program leadership. In fairness, not having extension in hand, is not helpful in achieving recruiting success. This is very tricky. Just my opinion.

Paultz, it sounds like you are trying mightily to be optimistic. I'm jealous, I wish I could feel that way.
I'm pretty convinced we'll be looking for a new coach next spring.

Curious-- what makes either of you think that Monasch will wait until the end of next year to make a decision on an extension?

If Monasch were contemplating giving him an extension in a month or two or three, he'd do it now, or have done it already, so that Lavin would have security when recruiting.
The fact that he hasn't tells me he's not getting one, if he does at all, until after the season. Or at the very earliest February-March, if things are going very well.

 

[paultzman]

Absolutely... I know you don't like him, but if we don't make the tourney this year we will need a new coach. On my short list is Jackson and Tim Cluess (provided Iona is top 2 in MAAC again). We need a NY guy with ties to the university who has proven ability to win. Jackson made the playoffs in his only 2 nba seasons.

Why do we need a NY guy or someone with ties to the university? serious question.
I think NY ties help, but are by no means a requirement.

My feeling on this (and this is just my opinion) is that most likely someone else if they won would just bolt for a "Power 5" conference asap. I don't believe this would have been the case in the old BE, but that's how I feel now.

That's a valid point. My preference is one of the "young guns", like one of the Hurleys or Maisello, but you are definitely right to assume they would bolt for a greater opportunity if one presented itself. I just don't know how far loyalty goes these days when the turnover in coaching is quick. I think its a different now industry then it was during the Looie, Rollie, and JT days.
Even Jackson or Chris would probably take the UNC job if it was offered to them eventually.
I guess my thinking would be - we'd have to succeed in order to have a coach jump for a better job. And I'd be willing to lose the coach and find a new one if it meant the program was winning. Look at Xavier as an example.

Xavier is an excellent example.

Let's hope Lavin, without an extension until after season probably, will get the job done with a NCAA T bid & an excellent recruiting year. If so, we won't have to be concerned about future coaches for a while hopefully. If he fails to achieve those goals, I suspect we will once again be discussing program leadership. In fairness, not having extension in hand, is not helpful in achieving recruiting success. This is very tricky. Just my opinion.

Paultz, it sounds like you are trying mightily to be optimistic. I'm jealous, I wish I could feel that way.
I'm pretty convinced we'll be looking for a new coach next spring.

"Trying", but if he fails to achieve the two bench marks referenced, I do believe his tenure will be in jeopardy.

 

[Redmen07]

I seriously hope we've learned our lesson in regards to firing a coach mid-season. Kevin Clark was a lame duck who had no control of the team in 2004.

It may be tougher than we think to land a big name coach next year. Buzz Williams leaving Marquette one of the Big Easts premier programs, for lowly Va Tech is a huge blow for the prestige of the conference. Idk how much money he got from Va Tech but I sure hope it was a lot.