indyredmen97
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The same reason I’m comfortable as a member of a fan site named redmen but refuse to utter the Washington football team’s name: it’s about context. The LIU is rebranding for a legitimate purpose, No smoke or fire here.
LIU - Goodbye to Blackbirds
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[quote="sjc88" post=347990][quote="L J S A" post=347930][quote="sjc88" post=347908]As the song said Bye, Bye Blackbirds.
I remember we lost to LIU at Alumni Hall. Richie Parker who had been accused of sexual assault or something like that beat us. Ugh.[/quote]
It was more than just accused.[/quote]
Yeah I just don't remember the details. Not a high point for LIU basketball.[/quote]
No, but having Albie Grant was.
http://www.northeastconference.org/news/2004/4/17/liu-grant.aspx
Albie grew up in the '50s and early '60s on an otherwise all-white working-class block of mostly private homes. I remember him having a single-parent dad and a "special" younger brother. As a kid, I had relatives on that block, and so I saw him frequently. Two things always struck me: first, how big he was, and second, how soft-spoken & polite he was. A true gentleman ... and a true student-athlete (the only Blackbird to average 20+ ppg & 10+ rpg) who went on to get a medical degree. A true success story ... and a high point for LIU basketball.
I remember we lost to LIU at Alumni Hall. Richie Parker who had been accused of sexual assault or something like that beat us. Ugh.[/quote]
It was more than just accused.[/quote]
Yeah I just don't remember the details. Not a high point for LIU basketball.[/quote]
No, but having Albie Grant was.
http://www.northeastconference.org/news/2004/4/17/liu-grant.aspx
Albie grew up in the '50s and early '60s on an otherwise all-white working-class block of mostly private homes. I remember him having a single-parent dad and a "special" younger brother. As a kid, I had relatives on that block, and so I saw him frequently. Two things always struck me: first, how big he was, and second, how soft-spoken & polite he was. A true gentleman ... and a true student-athlete (the only Blackbird to average 20+ ppg & 10+ rpg) who went on to get a medical degree. A true success story ... and a high point for LIU basketball.
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JohnnyFever
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[quote="indyredmen97" post=349521]The same reason I’m comfortable as a member of a fan site named redmen but refuse to utter the Washington football team’s name: it’s about context. The LIU is rebranding for a legitimate purpose, No smoke or fire here.[/quote]
They should've left the racial part out. Makes them look ridiculous IMO. I get unifying LIU under a common team name but they should've just left it at that. No reason to create fake outrage. Just stupidity raw and pure. And if you're looking at context as you say, you would know that the Washington Redskins name is obviously not intended to demean or dehumanize Native Americans in any way. What team would intentionally pick a team name to be purposely disrespectful to...themselves? It makes no sense. In this crazed PC era, sadly context does not matter. That's the point...you start going along with this stuff and you may be next regardless of context or intent. There's a real mob out there just waiting for someone to trip on their words or wear the wrong thing. I guess I'm the rare breed that still thinks context and intent absolutely matter. If there was any case to be made, you'd have to look to the Cleveland Indians where the logo is sort of like a caricature. I don't think the name is disrespectful though. If it's that big a deal then let's take down all Native American monuments too and totally remove them from culture. Then we will hear how they aren't represented enough in our culture. This stuff really never ends.
They should've left the racial part out. Makes them look ridiculous IMO. I get unifying LIU under a common team name but they should've just left it at that. No reason to create fake outrage. Just stupidity raw and pure. And if you're looking at context as you say, you would know that the Washington Redskins name is obviously not intended to demean or dehumanize Native Americans in any way. What team would intentionally pick a team name to be purposely disrespectful to...themselves? It makes no sense. In this crazed PC era, sadly context does not matter. That's the point...you start going along with this stuff and you may be next regardless of context or intent. There's a real mob out there just waiting for someone to trip on their words or wear the wrong thing. I guess I'm the rare breed that still thinks context and intent absolutely matter. If there was any case to be made, you'd have to look to the Cleveland Indians where the logo is sort of like a caricature. I don't think the name is disrespectful though. If it's that big a deal then let's take down all Native American monuments too and totally remove them from culture. Then we will hear how they aren't represented enough in our culture. This stuff really never ends.
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[quote="redken" post=349623][quote="sjc88" post=347990][quote="L J S A" post=347930][quote="sjc88" post=347908]As the song said Bye, Bye Blackbirds.
I remember we lost to LIU at Alumni Hall. Richie Parker who had been accused of sexual assault or something like that beat us. Ugh.[/quote]
It was more than just accused.[/quote]
Yeah I just don't remember the details. Not a high point for LIU basketball.[/quote]
No, but having Albie Grant was.
http://www.northeastconference.org/news/2004/4/17/liu-grant.aspx
Albie grew up in the '50s and early '60s on an otherwise all-white working-class block of mostly private homes. I remember him having a single-parent dad and a "special" younger brother. As a kid, I had relatives on that block, and so I saw him frequently. Two things always struck me: first, how big he was, and second, how soft-spoken & polite he was. A true gentleman ... and a true student-athlete (the only Blackbird to average 20+ ppg & 10+ rpg) who went on to get a medical degree. A true success story.[/quote]
Wow, I remember Albie Grant, Larry Newbold and Luther Green played at LIU also. I also remember Barry Leibowitz who played in the backcourt with Billy Lopez. Billy was a few years older than me, but we both played sports for the Jamaica Youth Organization, (JYO). He was a very good 3rd baseman. Also in Billy's age group was Jeff Maloney was pitched and the went on to become the leading scorer in Queens College history before Norm Roberts broke his record.
Growing up in Queens in the 50's and 60's was a truly memorable experience. Playing sports brought everyone together regardless of race. The Parish school that I went to was intergrated and we all played sports together. Same things with the Public schools. There were summer activities sponsored by the Board of Education. We would play in a Softball league against other Summer programs and then the winners in each borough would play for the City Championship. Race and Religion did not matter, we just wanted play with the best kids in our neighborhood and win.
Now, most of our city and schools are segregated, what a shame.
I remember we lost to LIU at Alumni Hall. Richie Parker who had been accused of sexual assault or something like that beat us. Ugh.[/quote]
It was more than just accused.[/quote]
Yeah I just don't remember the details. Not a high point for LIU basketball.[/quote]
No, but having Albie Grant was.
http://www.northeastconference.org/news/2004/4/17/liu-grant.aspx
Albie grew up in the '50s and early '60s on an otherwise all-white working-class block of mostly private homes. I remember him having a single-parent dad and a "special" younger brother. As a kid, I had relatives on that block, and so I saw him frequently. Two things always struck me: first, how big he was, and second, how soft-spoken & polite he was. A true gentleman ... and a true student-athlete (the only Blackbird to average 20+ ppg & 10+ rpg) who went on to get a medical degree. A true success story.[/quote]
Wow, I remember Albie Grant, Larry Newbold and Luther Green played at LIU also. I also remember Barry Leibowitz who played in the backcourt with Billy Lopez. Billy was a few years older than me, but we both played sports for the Jamaica Youth Organization, (JYO). He was a very good 3rd baseman. Also in Billy's age group was Jeff Maloney was pitched and the went on to become the leading scorer in Queens College history before Norm Roberts broke his record.
Growing up in Queens in the 50's and 60's was a truly memorable experience. Playing sports brought everyone together regardless of race. The Parish school that I went to was intergrated and we all played sports together. Same things with the Public schools. There were summer activities sponsored by the Board of Education. We would play in a Softball league against other Summer programs and then the winners in each borough would play for the City Championship. Race and Religion did not matter, we just wanted play with the best kids in our neighborhood and win.
Now, most of our city and schools are segregated, what a shame.
Perhaps a better improvised solution would have left Pioneers the nickname and have the Blackbird as the mascot.
A number of schools have mascots that don't match up with the nickname - Miami Hurricanes have the Ibis, Alabama Crimson Tide has an Elephant, Manhattan Jaspers?, and the University of St. John Red Storm has a big Chicken, etc.
A number of schools have mascots that don't match up with the nickname - Miami Hurricanes have the Ibis, Alabama Crimson Tide has an Elephant, Manhattan Jaspers?, and the University of St. John Red Storm has a big Chicken, etc.