Lavin needs to get a point guard

moose I worked today missed the game is Gt that much better coached team?

Lavin gives the hoyas tons of credit
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We got waxed. Nothing else needs to be said. You can clearly see my posts. I'm not drinking Kool Aid anymore. And this is a year and a half sooner than when I gave up on Norm
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Surprised to hear you hinting that you've given up on Lavin, Moose.

I still think Lavin is the right guy to head up the program, but I think we're seeing how important it is that he has a guy like Dunlap riding shotgun.

Unless we see some improvement over the next few weeks, you have to think the staff gets a shake up this spring. Can't remember the name of the H.S. guy we looked at last spring, but it appears we need a technical guy and disciplinarian in the Dunlap mold.
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I don't see a plan or clear direction. Thats what pains me. I believe all coaches get 4 yrs. I expected more from Lavin at this point. Were going backwards.
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Do you give him a pass for a year because of the health issues? Can we call the coach's second season a redshirt year?
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I don't really. Because if anything last year should have been the worst year with all the newcomers. This year they should be improved. They are not. Dunlap took one for the team last year.

What if this team finishes with same or worse record than last year. What does that say about Lavin?
 
moose I worked today missed the game is Gt that much better coached team?

Lavin gives the hoyas tons of credit
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We got waxed. Nothing else needs to be said. You can clearly see my posts. I'm not drinking Kool Aid anymore. And this is a year and a half sooner than when I gave up on Norm
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Surprised to hear you hinting that you've given up on Lavin, Moose.

I still think Lavin is the right guy to head up the program, but I think we're seeing how important it is that he has a guy like Dunlap riding shotgun.

Unless we see some improvement over the next few weeks, you have to think the staff gets a shake up this spring. Can't remember the name of the H.S. guy we looked at last spring, but it appears we need a technical guy and disciplinarian in the Dunlap mold.
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I don't see a plan or clear direction. Thats what pains me. I believe all coaches get 4 yrs. I expected more from Lavin at this point. Were going backwards.
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Do you give him a pass for a year because of the health issues? Can we call the coach's second season a redshirt year?
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I don't really. Because if anything last year should have been the worst year with all the newcomers. This year they should be improved. They are not. Dunlap took one for the team last year.

What if this team finishes with same or worse record than last year. What does that say about Lavin?
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Confirms what many people have said about his strengths and weaknesses. I like his strength as a recruiter. It looks more and more like he needs a tactician who can cover his weaknesses on the sidelines.
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
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With Norm's recruits.

Jarvis won with Fran's recruits yet flamed out with his own guys.
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
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You love to challenge every post I make & put words into my mouth
team needs a another point guard never said Branch was bad just think a jr tranfer could give us better half court offense with experience & add competitive depth
u cant believe all the negativity? its called constructive criticism
the team just was smoked on homecourt by its most hated rival
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
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You love to challenge every post I make & put words into my mouth
team needs a another point guard never said Branch was bad just think a jr tranfer could give us better half court offense with experience & add competitive depth
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Diehard Johnny, I was making a comment in response to the general tone of this topic, and not specifically commenting on your input. (Always enjoy reading your comments even if I don't always agree with you. And to be honest, I've never realized there's been a pattern in responding to your posts in the past.) Just think bringing in an untested Juco PG when we already have a kid who was an elite PG coming out of high school and who hasn't been given enough time here to judge what he can and can't do (although I've liked a lot of what I've seen), only adds to the problem, especially when we don't even have an official scholarship opening for next year (unless you take it for granted that Sanchez won't be here). Whatever openings there are, I'm hoping we concentrate on Lawrence -- we definitely need an inside presence, as the past couple of games have shown -- and Jordan, who can give us what Greene isn't giving us. Most of all -- and this doesn't reflect on your comments -- I'm just taken aback by the anti-Lavin rhetoric on this board ... a complete turnaround from just a month ago. I, for one, still think we're very,very lucky to have him.
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
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With Norm's recruits.

Jarvis won with Fran's recruits yet flamed out with his own guys.
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So you're saying Norm Roberts is a better recruiter than Steven Lavin?
 
moose I worked today missed the game is Gt that much better coached team?

Lavin gives the hoyas tons of credit
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We got waxed. Nothing else needs to be said. You can clearly see my posts. I'm not drinking Kool Aid anymore. And this is a year and a half sooner than when I gave up on Norm
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Losing dunlaps x&os has hurt this team big time
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I agree with you big time. I posted in another thread that the team looked lost today and Lavin did not try to halt the bleeding. We never seem to make adjustments. We faced a zone and it looked like we never saw one before. They picked up Harrison off the pick with another man and whoosh there went our offense. What the heck does our staff do? Heck at this point let Keady officially help out during games since he has 550 wins. I love Lavin but you are dead right Moose
 
I thought this season was going to be 40 minutes of hell ala nolan richardson, but you need a credible PG like Kareem Reid. With athletes like this , to go into the season without a proven distributor is not a formula for success. NCAA games are won on second chance shots and easy layups on breaks. We do neither which is why we stuggle offensively plus we are always on the negative side of the FT ledger.
 
Can't believe all the negativity. I think Lavin showed his ability to coach two seasons ago, and I'm not going to start bailing out on him when we could be 3-1 if we had hit our FTs against Nova and Rutgers. Hey, we got our butts kicked today; it happens. Could we use a Dunlop-like tactician, absolutely? But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

As for signing a Juco PG ... jeez, how about giving Branch a chance? The kid's played, what?, three games, and already he's being written off. If he's given the starting job (over Greene, who's obviously not a PG, and judging from the way he's shooting, not that much of a BE 2 guard as well), I'm confident he'll get the job done. Stop pushing the panic button!
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With Norm's recruits.

Jarvis won with Fran's recruits yet flamed out with his own guys.
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So you're saying Norm Roberts is a better recruiter than Steven Lavin?
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Norm Robets was two NYC players away from never losing his job.......one was the lead guard he never snagged in 5 years....Kemba Walker......and the other were the dozen other NY area kids that got away. Kemba and any of the others and Roberts is still here and the record would have been different. Great guy but over his head and his assistants were lousy recruiters.
 
I think everyone on this board realizes that Lavin is a terrific recruiter. We have the most talent we had in years. Him and the staff are miles above the previous staff in that regard. Where the disappointment lies is how some players have failed to develop as much as well as thought by this point, and how it seems that the play on the court is regressing from even earlier in the year (based on the first few games, I thought this was a potential tourney team and at the very least a solid NIT team). The way we have looked the past few games, I have no idea now where we are. That is the concern, and that is where Lavs is going to take a hit.
 
I think most of us now agree that Lavin came as advertised: great recruiter, not so good game coach. Having said that, I'm not ready to bail on him just yet. I still think he's smart enough to right this ship or at least get it headed in the right direction for next year. To begin with, he needs to hand the keys to the bus over to Branch and let him drive it. We're going nowhere with PG IV running the point, so what does he have to lose by giving Branch the bulk of the minutes at PG? I also think that Sir Dom should be getting minutes over Amir. Amir, like most of the rest of the team, seems to be regressing. Sir Dom may have the best court sense of any player on the team, plays hard nosed ball and generally makes good decisions. IMO he could develop in to the team leader that we need. Hopefully we can see some improvement this year that will carry over to next.
 
I think we need a Steve Nash or Chris Paul type of talent. Why can't Lavin recruit a Blake Griffin type of talent? Where is our Kobe Bryant or Lebron James? How come Lavin can't bring in an Anthony Davis or Gilchrist?

Forget about a point guard - we need a coach who can recruit like Calipari. Wait, we need Calipari. Let's start a paper bag movment again, get Lavin fired, and bring in Calipari? If our 3.5 million fans simply donate $1 a year we can pay his salary. Who's with me?
 
Disagree about needing a point guard. Branch in a real ball movement offense with a solid PF who is a threat downlow and can space the floor and roll to the basket becomes much more effective. We need Sanchez more than we need anything else.
 
I think everyone on this board realizes that Lavin is a terrific recruiter. We have the most talent we had in years.
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I'm not ready to flat out disagree with you; but ill say this, I'm having second thoughts about his prowess as a recruiter.

Part of recruiting is selecting the "right" guys. Can he grab ranked recruits? It certainly appears so.
But look at how flawed this team is. There's not enough shooting and scoring, no one who can play with their back to the basket, no backup pg, no height or rebounding.
We recruited a lot of guys who are one dimensional.

Now, maybe that was out of necessity, because he was put in such a difficult spot. But it at least gives me pause.
I like our guys, I root extremely hard for them.... But I don't know that this is how you assemble a team.
 
I think everyone on this board realizes that Lavin is a terrific recruiter. We have the most talent we had in years.
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I'm not ready to flat out disagree with you; but ill say this, I'm having second thoughts about his prowess as a recruiter.

Part of recruiting is selecting the "right" guys. Can he grab ranked recruits? It certainly appears so.
But look at how flawed this team is. There's not enough shooting and scoring, no one who can play with their back to the basket, no backup pg, no height or rebounding.
We recruited a lot of guys who are one dimensional.

Now, maybe that was out of necessity, because he was put in such a difficult spot. But it at least gives me pause.
I like our guys, I root extremely hard for them.... But I don't know that this is how you assemble a team.
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If you are building a car, does it matter if you start with the engine, or the body, or the tires, or the seats. We needed a complete roster to fill, and I don't see a ton of overlapping pieces here. What we are lacking are some bonafide rebounders, muscle and size up front (everyone needs that) and another bonafide scorer, maybe two. Filling those needs is perhaps the most difficult in terms of getting talent, hence the Lavin tweet.
 
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