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Posh Alexander one of 15 players named to Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Watch List. #sjubb

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MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.
 
Mean Gene post=453411 said:
MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.
Trade him?
 
Mean Gene post=453411 said:
MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.
 

While it was a different era and he was not the defender Posh is (although he had quick hands) Pearl Washington, who never had a jump shot either was considered among the best point guards and was a first round pick.
 
Dude, I am not here for Posh Alexander slander.  I am sure you can find sexier point guards out there, guys who shoot better from deep, guys who are in different systems or who have different skills.  You go do that if you want.

What I can tell you after a half-century of watching college basketball is that I have never in my life seen a kid play harder every second of every game, never seen a player with more heart (possible exception of Anthony Glover) and have rarely seen anyone as committed to defense or more valuable to his team.

You can definitely nitpick about the jump shot, maybe the handle at times and the limited use of the left hand.  Go find me a player who you can't nitpick something about, lottery picks included.

It isn't all stats and articles - you have to watch the game with your eyes, also.

After many years on this site the unrelenting negativity of our fan base rarely surprises me.  But I am honestly shocked that anyone who is a fan of this program would fail to recognize that Posh will go down as one of the greats here, even if it doesn't show up as much in some parts of the stat column. 
 
lawmanfan post=453417 said:
Dude, I am not here for Posh Alexander slander.  I am sure you can find sexier point guards out there, guys who shoot better from deep, guys who are in different systems or who have different skills.  You go do that if you want.

What I can tell you after a half-century of watching college basketball is that I have never in my life seen a kid play harder every second of every game, never seen a player with more heart (possible exception of Anthony Glover) and have rarely seen anyone as committed to defense or more valuable to his team.

You can definitely nitpick about the jump shot, maybe the handle at times and the limited use of the left hand.  Go find me a player who you can't nitpick something about, lottery picks included.

It isn't all stats and articles - you have to watch the game with your eyes, also.

After many years on this site the unrelenting negativity of our fan base rarely surprises me.  But I am honestly shocked that anyone who is a fan of this program would fail to recognize that Posh will go down as one of the greats here, even if it doesn't show up as much in some parts of the stat column. 
+1,000, and a sophomore to boot
 
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Mean Gene post=453411 said:
MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.

congratulations Posh

agree against the hall. He passed up mid range shots.    Need to hit those


 
 
Posh has found a way to be in the top 25 amongst BE players in effective field goal % the last 2 seasons. Impressive considering his jumper. Not surprising considering his ‘get it done’ approach 

If you just saw his 2fg% and his offensive rebound rate, you’d think he was a 6’8 power forward. 
 
lawmanfan post=453417 said:
Dude, I am not here for Posh Alexander slander.  I am sure you can find sexier point guards out there, guys who shoot better from deep, guys who are in different systems or who have different skills.  You go do that if you want.

What I can tell you after a half-century of watching college basketball is that I have never in my life seen a kid play harder every second of every game, never seen a player with more heart (possible exception of Anthony Glover) and have rarely seen anyone as committed to defense or more valuable to his team.

You can definitely nitpick about the jump shot, maybe the handle at times and the limited use of the left hand.  Go find me a player who you can't nitpick something about, lottery picks included.

It isn't all stats and articles - you have to watch the game with your eyes, also.

After many years on this site the unrelenting negativity of our fan base rarely surprises me.  But I am honestly shocked that anyone who is a fan of this program would fail to recognize that Posh will go down as one of the greats here, even if it doesn't show up as much in some parts of the stat column. 

What he said!
 
Mean Gene post=453411 said:
MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.

Why so mean?
 
Posh doesn't need to hit the 3 to tip the scales in our favor in multiple ways. His on ball defense can lead to deflections, steals and just plain sloppy turnovers as players rush just to get away from him. Not that getting away solves the problem, as he will steal it from behind anyway or find  rebounder and strip him. He is proving to be as unique a point guard as there is, as he is a tenacious offensive rebounder and driver that handles contact well.

Guys like Posh don't come along often. I have seen some consistency in his mid-range pull up game, which is a shot he creates well. For anyone bemoaning his 3 point range, we should face the following. If he had serious 3 point skills (in addition to his other tools), St. John's would not likely have won the recruiting battle for him.
 
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There's a Hall of Fame point guard who was a great rebounder and forced a ton of turnovers who a lot of people used to call ason Kidd because he had no J. He eventually developed one, and I'm confident Posh will too. And since Posh isn't Kidd, we'll get to see him develop a reliable shot here in college instead of losing him to the NBA after this season. 
 
SJU85 post=453413 said:
Mean Gene post=453411 said:
MainMan post=453410 said:
Yeah, not a high-level talent....

He’s a high level talent but if he wants to be considered among the top point Guards in College Basketball he has to develop a consistent jump shot. If he can’t do that then he can’t be considered among the best no matter good his defense is or how high of a motor he has.

 

While it was a different era and he was not the defender Posh is (although he had quick hands) Pearl Washington, who never had a jump shot either was considered among the best point guards and was a first round pick.

I understand that and like you said it was a different era. The outside shooting , specifically the three point shot has become such an integral part of the game it limits the team somewhat offensively when your guards , especially your point guard can’t hit them with at least some type of consistency.
I love Posh’s defensive prowess, I commend the way he rebounds for his size and the intangibles that he brings to the table are immense. I just wish he would really improve his outside shooting as I believe that could really take his game and this team to another level. To have another guy who’s on the floor all the time along with Champagnie to be able to knock down threes would be tremendous for us. It would also open up driving lanes for him and others if they had to play up on him and defend his shooting. He wouldn’t always be driving into the lane with four guys waiting for him and the other guys on team who drive the ball due to their weak ability to shoot. We wouldn’t have to watch these guys drive into a crowded lane and try to make million dollar moves only to end up with nickel finishes.
 
Well deserved not a PG in the country I would take over him. Literally the perfect fit for what Mike Anderson is all about. Not an elite offensive player but knows how to play to his strengths. His motor, leadership and intangibles are off the charts, much rarer to find than a scoring guard which are dime a dozen. Fellow Brooklyn native to boot doesn’t get much better than that.
 
Dan V post=453441 said:
Well deserved not a PG in the country I would take over him. Literally the perfect fit for what Mike Anderson is all about. Not an elite offensive player but knows how to play to his strengths. His motor, leadership and intangibles are off the charts, much rarer to find than a scoring guard which are dime a dozen. Fellow Brooklyn native to boot doesn’t get much better than that.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that his motor, leadership and intangibles are off the charts. If scoring guards are a dime a dozen then why can’t we find one?? Why have we lost a number of games simply based on our inability to score the ball efficiently?? The object of the game is to put the ball in the basket is it not?
 
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I love Posh, but actually think his defense was significantly better last season.   I know he has been playing hurt and he may have put on some muscle that has helps him hold his ground when getting good position on the offensive boards especially.   I'm not sure what the story was with him coming off the bench on Monday vs. SHU, whether it was disciplinary, strategic, or sending a message, but Monday was perhaps his best game of the season. 

It's almost impossible to say which of the smaller guards can make it in the NBA.   Yes, you need a handle for certain, yes you need to be able to consistently make outside shots, but lots of guys who appear to have both don't make it.   For now, just enjoying watching a kid who leaves it all on the floor, is a tremendous on ball defender, and despite all the steals, rarely if ever gets caught out of position.
 
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