Ken Pomeroy: On St. John's and its Talent

[simplyred]

We can all agree that Dunlap came here with an incredible resumé and reputation. Nonetheless, that team took time to gel (February?). After 2 seasons, he gota an NBA head coaching job. He was not going to be easily replaced. A season later, Lavin brings in Whitesell. Although he doesn't come in with the reputation that Dunlap had, he is also highly thought of as a teacher and strategist. I am almost sure he does not use the same forceful teaching methods that Dunlap used. Maybe it is taking a bit longer for his system to take hold. Maybe he doesn't have quite the influence that Dunlap had. I don't know since I haven't had the benefit of attending practices. Apparently some posters have. Maybe they can tell us how active Whitesell is at practice.

As for the other assistants, they all have their strengths and, I'm sure, their deficits. I doubt that there are too many teams with as good a coaching staff as us. While we may not yet have seen the results that we were hoping for, I don't feel qualified to knock their abilities. The guy that eats has been instrumental in bringing in some of our best recruits. The other guy with no reputation as a coach is sought out by NBA players to help with their workouts. Last year's inexplicable addition had a long NBA career and coached at that level.

Maybe these guys are frauds who have doctored their resumés or maybe they are Ivy League scholars teaching community college students. I'm not smart enough to answer that question. When we call for coaches to be fired, I look back at Tom Coughlin in 2007. I hate the Giants but I have immense respect for Coughlin (and the Mara family). I'd trade Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones for them in a heartbeat.

 

[salty dog]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Maybe 72's account was hacked by Joe3 or maybe 72 is Joe's father/uncle?

Do we need a DNA test?

 

[redfazed]

ESPN stats from last year:
--St. John's took jumpers or runners on 68.5 percent of their shot attempts, and they hit just 20 percent of them.
--The Red Storm shot 60% at the rim last year in Big East play - and 67% at the rim all year.

Here’s what Lavin said to ESPN about it: “The numbers that you're looking at? They're going to change but it's not like we're going to be doing anything so very different.”

So we're not going to anything different, but we are going to expect different results? That's the definition of delusion (and incompetence.)

Our performance is a coaching issue.

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Maybe 72's account was hacked by Joe3 or maybe 72 is Joe's father/uncle?

Leave my son/ nephew out of this!

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

You have a mole at the practices?

Yes.

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Yes! Our conditioning coach he is not. Get in shape coach and set an example!! The Maven at 62 runs six miles a day but Tony can't run six blocks! Get on the recruiting trail! What JUCO All-Americans are you focusing on now that our 2014 recruiting is a bust!
Rico is no light weight either! Get in shape during practices. A work out guru to NBA players? Our shooting and guard play suck! Ron Naclario is a better one-on-one coach! Rico is a fraud! Not one player has improved their skills under this guy!
Whitesell? Loyola of Chicago fired him. Friends have been putting him on their payroll ever since.
Don't get me started on HOF coach Keady! I love the guy! But nobody listens to him.
As you can see, I am grasping at straws here but I will leave it to you to figure out if I am serious or writing in Dylanesque hyperbole.

 

[mkras99]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Yes! Our conditioning coach he is not. Get in shape coach and set an example!! The Maven at 62 runs six miles a day but Tony can't run six blocks! Get on the recruiting trail! What JUCO All-Americans are you focusing on now that our 2014 recruiting is a bust!
Rico is no light weight either! Get in shape during practices. A work out guru to NBA players? Our shooting and guard play suck! Ron Naclario is a better one-on-one coach! Rico is a fraud! Not one player has improved their skills under this guy!
Whitesell? Loyola of Chicago fired him. Friends have been putting him on their payroll ever since.
Don't get me started on HOF coach Keady! I love the guy! But nobody listens to him.
As you can see, I am grasping at straws here but I will leave it to you to figure out if I am serious or writing in Dylanesque hyperbole.

How many miles a day does the Black Stallion/Hit the Gym run? What about Class of 72? Remi Barry?

 

[ccnobz]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Yes! Our conditioning coach he is not. Get in shape coach and set an example!! The Maven at 62 runs six miles a day but Tony can't run six blocks! Get on the recruiting trail! What JUCO All-Americans are you focusing on now that our 2014 recruiting is a bust!
Rico is no light weight either! Get in shape during practices. A work out guru to NBA players? Our shooting and guard play suck! Ron Naclario is a better one-on-one coach! Rico is a fraud! Not one player has improved their skills under this guy!
Whitesell? Loyola of Chicago fired him. Friends have been putting him on their payroll ever since.
Don't get me started on HOF coach Keady! I love the guy! But nobody listens to him.
As you can see, I am grasping at straws here but I will leave it to you to figure out if I am serious or writing in Dylanesque hyperbole.

Have a drink 72 .

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Yes! Our conditioning coach he is not. Get in shape coach and set an example!! The Maven at 62 runs six miles a day but Tony can't run six blocks! Get on the recruiting trail! What JUCO All-Americans are you focusing on now that our 2014 recruiting is a bust!
Rico is no light weight either! Get in shape during practices. A work out guru to NBA players? Our shooting and guard play suck! Ron Naclario is a better one-on-one coach! Rico is a fraud! Not one player has improved their skills under this guy!
Whitesell? Loyola of Chicago fired him. Friends have been putting him on their payroll ever since.
Don't get me started on HOF coach Keady! I love the guy! But nobody listens to him.
As you can see, I am grasping at straws here but I will leave it to you to figure out if I am serious or writing in Dylanesque hyperbole.

Have a drink 72 .

I always have vino with my lunch. Can't you tell???

 

[ccnobz]

Sure that was a good rant, alcohol induced or not

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Yes! Our conditioning coach he is not. Get in shape coach and set an example!! The Maven at 62 runs six miles a day but Tony can't run six blocks! Get on the recruiting trail! What JUCO All-Americans are you focusing on now that our 2014 recruiting is a bust!
Rico is no light weight either! Get in shape during practices. A work out guru to NBA players? Our shooting and guard play suck! Ron Naclario is a better one-on-one coach! Rico is a fraud! Not one player has improved their skills under this guy!
Whitesell? Loyola of Chicago fired him. Friends have been putting him on their payroll ever since.
Don't get me started on HOF coach Keady! I love the guy! But nobody listens to him.
As you can see, I am grasping at straws here but I will leave it to you to figure out if I am serious or writing in Dylanesque hyperbole.

How many miles a day does the Black Stallion/Hit the Gym run? What about Class of 72? Remi Barry?

Funny you should bring up Remi Barry! Now there is one guy Tony Chiles could out run easily. Need I explain?
Leave Chris out of it or the Maven will hunt you down and make you pay. Class of 72 ran for the bottle halfway through the Georgetown game and is planning a victory drink or two or four tomorrow afternoon.

 

[beast of the east]

How can you use recruiting rankings as an accurate predictor as to judge whether a roster has NBA potential. At a certain ranking, maybe around 20 or less, by that number you aren't likely to go to the NBA anyway, but the real point is that as soon as you start playing real D1 games, you can throw out recruiting rankings, much the same way in MLB that can't miss pheenoms because journeyman once they can't hit major league pitching.

 

[SJU14]

How can you use recruiting rankings as an accurate predictor as to judge whether a roster has NBA potential. At a certain ranking, maybe around 20 or less, by that number you aren't likely to go to the NBA anyway, but the real point is that as soon as you start playing real D1 games, you can throw out recruiting rankings, much the same way in MLB that can't miss pheenoms because journeyman once they can't hit major league pitching.

High school rankings and high school play are based off of pure God-given talent. Not much extra work is needed for these kids to be good in high school. Once you get to college, you can tell who puts in the hard word because they will improve from that talent and have a more all around game. That's why some guys that are ranked top 10 and top 20 don't get to the NBA and kids that are 3 star recruits get drafted.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Excellent point! We seem to have many with great natural ability. Hopefully they will not throw it away. How hard they are working off-season is unknown. There are a few guys that shold follow Hooper's lead and stay at the gym until they shoot 500 threes. If I were them, I wouldn't stay until a certain number are made. Could be a long night.

 

[Marillac]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Maybe 72's account was hacked by Joe3 or maybe 72 is Joe's father/uncle?

The math adds up. I still find it odd that he admitted his name isn't actually Joe.

 

[Class of 72]

When the writer said Lavin misses Dunlap the most he is not far from the truth

It is a deep dig to our current assistant coaches. Dunlap ran practices the first two years because Steve Lavin knew he was a better organizer and teacher than he was but now it is run more like a Steve Lavin basketball camp with a lot of philosophy that these players cannot grasp. The value of Whitesell has been invisible and Rico Hines is strictly a one-to-one tutor with zero coaching pedigree. Tony Chiles should be spending more time on the road recruiting than eating and coach Keady is baby sitting. Even the coaching mix is troubling. That is why an assistant who left two years ago is still getting ink.

So we are insulting the weight of coaches now.......

Maybe 72's account was hacked by Joe3 or maybe 72 is Joe's father/uncle?

The math adds up. I still find it odd that he admitted his name isn't actually Joe.

My code name is Giuseppe Vafanculo.
If we lose tomorrow many of you will make Joe3 sound tame.
Hope we rain on the Nova parade for everyone's sanity here!

 

[JohnnyFan]

Ray Morgan" post=88663]Excellent point! We seem to have many with great natural ability. Hopefully they will not throw it away. How hard they are working off-season is unknown. There are a few guys that shold follow Hooper's lead and stay at the gym until they shoot 500 threes. If I were them, I wouldn't stay until a certain number are made. Could be a long night.

The coach is the problem.