Jon Rothstein's Preseason Top 25

the most talented team in the new big east can't crack the top 25.

this lack of respect is what sends top recruits to major conferences.
 
the most talented team in the new big east can't crack the top 25.

this lack of respect is what sends top recruits to major conferences.
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Nobody is better at the broad brushstroke than you.
 
the most talented team in the new big east can't crack the top 25.

this lack of respect is what sends top recruits to major conferences.
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He has three Big East teams ahead of us.
 
Means we a year away from winning national championship. If C.O. can raise his offensive game this year we going to final 4. It 's true. Feel better?
 
If Rothstein believes that St.J's has the most talent in the Big East yet picks Marquette, Georgetown & Villanova to finish ahead of St.J's then apparently he does not think much of the coaching that talent receives.
 
If Rothstein believes that St.J's has the most talent in the Big East yet picks Marquette, Georgetown & Villanova to finish ahead of St.J's then apparently he does not think much of the coaching that talent receives.
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Or maybe he thinks there are a lot of variables, like how the newcomers fit in and how DLo approaches next year. Rothstein's statement and ranking are not as incongrous as you think, nor is it necessarily a negative reflection on the coaching.
 
Talent does not always equal wins. There are plenty of other factors involved, including coaching, development, playing fundamental basketball, and being smart.
 
If Rothstein believes that St.J's has the most talent in the Big East yet picks Marquette, Georgetown & Villanova to finish ahead of St.J's then apparently he does not think much of the coaching that talent receives.
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Or it could be a guy trying to cobble a couple of hundred word together in order to appease his editors. These (very, very early) pre-season picks stories often have many contradictions.

It's as if Rothstein said, "Hey wait, I need a quick point about SJU. I know, Lavin is a top flight recruiter, so he has the most talent in the conference. I will write that. Does it make sense to put them at 31? Who cares, it's mid-May. No one will even remember I wrote this by late May. I have many more stories with bold predictions left in my chamber that will make this one a distant memory."
 
Hi everyone,

If you're interested in bracketology I have my own preseason bracket up. I have St. John's in as the last team from the Big East. I really like your team next year much like the analysts do. Best of luck.

www.explorertownbracketologist.com
 
Updated August bracket:

www.explorertownbracketologist.com

You're still in the tourney.
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I strongly disagree with your valuation of St. John's, but I do realize that this team hasn't proven a thing. This St. John's team reasonably has Elite Eight potential, and I guarantee will win at least one game in the tournament.

As a fan it was very tough last year to watch because, as talented as we were, we had some of the most glaring holes in the entire country: awful three-point shooting, no point guard most of the year, no beef/skill/experience down low, and a completel lack of experience accross the board (not a single active player with more than one year of D-1 experience). Our PG missed more than half the season due to transfer and an injury, our best player was benched when we were a bubble team in February, and our leader in minutes played just underwent hip surgery for an injury he played through all season. Even still, we some how were on the buble until the Harrison suspension and even won a game in the NIT. I really don't know how, because Harrison is as valuable to this team as any player in the country is to their respective team.

We received the best present we could have possibly asked for by getting Orlando Sanchez, a 6'8 remarkably skilled big man, with three years of college experience (one as a redshirt at STJ). Sanchez single-handedly cures many of the ills St. John's suffered from last season. He is 220 pounds, a terrific rebounder down low, he passes and moves the ball extremely well for a big man, and he even hits threes at a good clip. Coach Lavin, knowing last season was a throw-away, redshirted a 6'8 240 pound senior center, Achiuwa, who averaged 9 and 6 the year before. We also get one of the best--if not the best--pure shooters in the country, albeit very limited in other areas, eligible after a redshirt. Yesterday, the kid hit 92% from three out of 100 shots, making 47 in a row.

St. John's is one of about five schools that can start a top 75 RSCI player at every single position:

Rysheed Jordan - #26
D'Angelo Harrison - #47
Dom Pointer - #35
Jakar Sampson - #40
Chris Obekpa - #69
(Potentially) Off the bench: Jamal Branch - #52, Orlando Sanchez (JUCO All-American), God's Gift Achiuwa (JUCO All-American), Phil Greene (two-year starter)
 
Updated August bracket:

www.explorertownbracketologist.com

You're still in the tourney.
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I strongly disagree with your valuation of St. John's, but I do realize that this team hasn't proven a thing. This St. John's team reasonably has Elite Eight potential, and I guarantee will win at least one game in the tournament.

As a fan it was very tough last year to watch because, as talented as we were, we had some of the most glaring holes in the entire country: awful three-point shooting, no point guard most of the year, no beef/skill/experience down low, and a completel lack of experience accross the board (not a single active player with more than one year of D-1 experience). Our PG missed more than half the season due to transfer and an injury, our best player was benched when we were a bubble team in February, and our leader in minutes played just underwent hip surgery for an injury he played through all season. Even still, we some how were on the buble until the Harrison suspension and even won a game in the NIT. I really don't know how, because Harrison is as valuable to this team as any player in the country is to their respective team.

We received the best present we could have possibly asked for by getting Orlando Sanchez, a 6'8 remarkably skilled big man, with three years of college experience (one as a redshirt at STJ). Sanchez single-handedly cures many of the ills St. John's suffered from last season. He is 220 pounds, a terrific rebounder down low, he passes and moves the ball extremely well for a big man, and he even hits threes at a good clip. Coach Lavin, knowing last season was a throw-away, redshirted a 6'8 240 pound senior center, Achiuwa, who averaged 9 and 6 the year before. We also get one of the best--if not the best--pure shooters in the country, albeit very limited in other areas, eligible after a redshirt. Yesterday, the kid hit 92% from three out of 100 shots, making 47 in a row.

St. John's is one of about five schools that can start a top 75 RSCI player at every single position:

Rysheed Jordan - #26
D'Angelo Harrison - #47
Dom Pointer - #35
Jakar Sampson - #40
Chris Obekpa - #69
(Potentially) Off the bench: Jamal Branch - #52, Orlando Sanchez (JUCO All-American), God's Gift Achiuwa (JUCO All-American), Phil Greene (two-year starter)
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Get em marillac
 
We do have talent but some questions remain. We have typical redundancy issues with Jordan, Harrison, Greene and Pointer all tending toward the 2G position. Then Karr and Sanchez both seem best suited to the 3. The 1,4 and 5 slots are a little iffy with Branch, Gift and CO becoming really important
Frenchie and Hooper seem to overlap completely and Jones best qualities remain to be seen. Lavin will definitely earn his bucks finding combinations that work I think that's the main reason why our pre-season rankings are conservative as a functioning team but optimistic regarding individual talent. Our 2010 team also had redundancy but a lot of experience and of course Dunlap. Can Lavin cut it w/o a Dunlap is my biggest concern now that the horses are apparently in the stable.
 
We received the best present we could have possibly asked for by getting Orlando Sanchez, a 6'8 remarkably skilled big man, with three years of college experience (one as a redshirt at STJ). Sanchez single-handedly cures many of the ills St. John's suffered from last season. He is 220 pounds, a terrific rebounder down low, he passes and moves the ball extremely well for a big man, and he even hits threes at a good clip.
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I have read several times that Sanchez is a good outside shooter. But the stats give another consideration:

As sophomore Sanchez was 5-19 (.263) in 3 point shooting. Remember Bourgault shot .42 in the same team.

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And Sanchez was 40-68 (.582) in free throws.

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Our PG missed more than half the season due to transfer and an injury, our best player was benched when we were a bubble team in February, and our leader in minutes played just underwent hip surgery for an injury he played through all season. Even still, we some how were on the buble until the Harrison suspension and even won a game in the NIT. I really don't know how, because Harrison is as valuable to this team as any player in the country is to their respective team.

We received the best present we could have possibly asked for by getting Orlando Sanchez, a 6'8 remarkably skilled big man, with three years of college experience (one as a redshirt at STJ). Sanchez single-handedly cures many of the ills St. John's suffered from last season. He is 220 pounds, a terrific rebounder down low, he passes and moves the ball extremely well for a big man, and he even hits threes at a good clip. Coach Lavin, knowing last season was a throw-away, redshirted a 6'8 240 pound senior center, Achiuwa, who averaged 9 and 6 the year before. We also get one of the best--if not the best--pure shooters in the country, albeit very limited in other areas, eligible after a redshirt. Yesterday, the kid hit 92% from three out of 100 shots, making 47 in a row.
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Bingo!
 
We do have talent but some questions remain. We have typical redundancy issues with Jordan, Harrison, Greene and Pointer all tending toward the 2G position. Then Karr and Sanchez both seem best suited to the 3. The 1,4 and 5 slots are a little iffy with Branch, Gift and CO becoming really important
Frenchie and Hooper seem to overlap completely and Jones best qualities remain to be seen. Lavin will definitely earn his bucks finding combinations that work I think that's the main reason why our pre-season rankings are conservative as a functioning team but optimistic regarding individual talent. Our 2010 team also had redundancy but a lot of experience and of course Dunlap. Can Lavin cut it w/o a Dunlap is my biggest concern now that the horses are apparently in the stable.
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Based on what I saw, Jordan can play the point guard position at a high level. I believe he'll be able to do the same in college. Jordan and Branch should man the point guard duties this season. Greene can log minutes here and there, as well.

Sanchez will be able to play 3 positions (3, 4, and 5 spots). So, he and Sampson can be on the floor together. Sanchez is the definition of a point forward.

I was told Hooper's game has improved from his initial arrival 'til now. I don't expect a JJ Redick-type, but I do expect him to certainly be a bonus.

I liked Dunlap, and wished he didn't leave after 2011-2012 season. I always value assistants who knows the game just as well or better than the head coach (which, is why I hope we land Whitesell). On the flip side, Lavin has won without Dunlap.

If there is any season (since Lavin's arrival) that we shouldn't be worried about positions, then this is it. We're significantly two-deep at each position.

I also believe the trip abroad will help this team down the road.
 
We do have talent but some questions remain. We have typical redundancy issues with Jordan, Harrison, Greene and Pointer all tending toward the 2G position. Then Karr and Sanchez both seem best suited to the 3. The 1,4 and 5 slots are a little iffy with Branch, Gift and CO becoming really important
Frenchie and Hooper seem to overlap completely and Jones best qualities remain to be seen. Lavin will definitely earn his bucks finding combinations that work I think that's the main reason why our pre-season rankings are conservative as a functioning team but optimistic regarding individual talent. Our 2010 team also had redundancy but a lot of experience and of course Dunlap. Can Lavin cut it w/o a Dunlap is my biggest concern now that the horses are apparently in the stable.
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I have to disagree with you completely on the positions you mentioned. Dom is much more 3 than 2, Jakarr's and Sanchez are much more 4 than 3, and I believe Jordan is more of a point than a 2.
 
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