Johnnies & Luring Quality Local Players

[quote="Paultzman" post=322970].

“They got Nate, so the goal is for them to play together,” the grassroots source said. “He sees them more than any other school. [St. John’s coach] Chris [Mullin] has been active recruiting him.[/quote]

Talk is cheap, I gotta see it.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322994]This was an unbiased article but so incomplete as to be useless. How can he write an article about five star recruiting and not even mention under the table cash payments? The recent trials ands settlements that have been in the news are facts that were ignored. A good amount of these five star kids don't even stay at school through their entire freshman year and I'm supposed to believe "campus life" is a factor?

For me, you write about five stars and leave out the money angle, you wrote a worthless article. Par for the Braziller course.[/quote]

I thought the same thing. Especially since we've been running a clean program, and it has come out that several NYC kids have taken money to go to top programs lately.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322996]Also, the idea that quotes are included from "a grassroots source" is another journalistic joke. The quotes were not controversial at all, why wouldn't an actual person put their name to them? Perhaps because they are made up? The state of sports journalism is so sad in 2019.[/quote]

Come on, that's ridiculous. He didn't make up quotes. I wouldn't attach my name to anything if I were an AAU guy. You don't want to be seen as critical of a team or favor one program over another. Unless the article is specifically titled "LJSA, Grassroots Powerbroker," I'm not giving anything up that I don't need to.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=323049][quote="IDRAFT" post=322996]Also, the idea that quotes are included from "a grassroots source" is another journalistic joke. The quotes were not controversial at all, why wouldn't an actual person put their name to them? Perhaps because they are made up? The state of sports journalism is so sad in 2019.[/quote]

Come on, that's ridiculous. He didn't make up quotes. I wouldn't attach my name to anything if I were an AAU guy. You don't want to be seen as critical of a team or favor one program over another. Unless the article is specifically titled "LJSA, Grassroots Powerbroker," I'm not giving anything up that I don't need to.[/quote]

I’ve been cited as “a source close the team” by the Post multiple times and was even named once without being asked for permission or even telling me the conversation was about a story. Don’t underestimate what they will do to run a story.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=323049][quote="IDRAFT" post=322996]Also, the idea that quotes are included from "a grassroots source" is another journalistic joke. The quotes were not controversial at all, why wouldn't an actual person put their name to them? Perhaps because they are made up? The state of sports journalism is so sad in 2019.[/quote]

Come on, that's ridiculous. He didn't make up quotes. I wouldn't attach my name to anything if I were an AAU guy. You don't want to be seen as critical of a team or favor one program over another. Unless the article is specifically titled "LJSA, Grassroots Powerbroker," I'm not giving anything up that I don't need to.[/quote]

That’s fine, and understandable, and so I don’t use you as a source.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=322979][quote="cbruno" post=322972]This reporter does not have St Johns in its best. Interest. His article though correct on some points is demeaning and does not in anyway help with his articles. I wonder where he went to College. Hopefully the post takes him off writing on us[/quote]

What in the article was so wrong/bad? It’s a pretty spot on look into the program.

The only issue I have with the article is it really downplays Shamorie Ponds. Even the final line of the article about how it’s been a long time since a kid came along that wanted to stay home and play for SJU in the city.

Maybe he wasn’t the “coveted 5 star” as Braziller puts it, but look at Ponds has been for this school. 5 star or not, one of the best to ever put on the red and white jersey.

I don’t have a problem with the point the article is trying to make but he kind of brushes Ponds off like he’s a city kid averaging 5 points a game off the bench

(“It’s less about St. John’s identity, and I think it’s more about the kid’s identity,” Borman said. “The kid is going to have to have that DNA to say, ‘Man, I want to stay home and do this.’ ”

It has been almost two decades since that kid came along.)

No Zach it’s been 3 years[/quote]

I hate to say it, but I don't think Ponds is the type of recruit that the article is speaking about. When the article talks about the local kid who wants to stay home, I think it is referring to the top 10 ranked local kid staying home. The kid who chooses us over the likes of Kentucky, Duke, Villanova.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=323081][quote="Jack Williams" post=322979][quote="cbruno" post=322972]This reporter does not have St Johns in its best. Interest. His article though correct on some points is demeaning and does not in anyway help with his articles. I wonder where he went to College. Hopefully the post takes him off writing on us[/quote]

What in the article was so wrong/bad? It’s a pretty spot on look into the program.

The only issue I have with the article is it really downplays Shamorie Ponds. Even the final line of the article about how it’s been a long time since a kid came along that wanted to stay home and play for SJU in the city.

Maybe he wasn’t the “coveted 5 star” as Braziller puts it, but look at Ponds has been for this school. 5 star or not, one of the best to ever put on the red and white jersey.

I don’t have a problem with the point the article is trying to make but he kind of brushes Ponds off like he’s a city kid averaging 5 points a game off the bench

(“It’s less about St. John’s identity, and I think it’s more about the kid’s identity,” Borman said. “The kid is going to have to have that DNA to say, ‘Man, I want to stay home and do this.’ ”

It has been almost two decades since that kid came along.)

No Zach it’s been 3 years[/quote]

I hate to say it, but I don't think Ponds is the type of recruit that the article is speaking about. When the article talks about the local kid who wants to stay home, I think it is referring to the top 10 ranked local kid staying home. The kid who chooses us over the likes of Kentucky, Duke, Villanova.[/quote]

I understand that’s who he’s trying to talk about, 5 stars, but the presence of Shamorie Ponds kind of makes the final lines of the article make no sense to me. There are quotes of when ponds committed that he wanted to stay and be king of the city.

I understand he’s not a 5 star but he the article makes it sounds like we’ve abandoned the city cause we didn’t get our hands on what, Mo Bamba, Hamidou Diallo?

Again like I said in my original post I understand the point he’s trying to make and I also think it’s a pretty good summary of where the program is, but the whole premise of the article is kind of dumb, especially when you consider our star player is from Brooklyn.

All of these New York 5 stars leave the city and go to these one and done schools and we are never gonna be able to do anything about that, but we did get a stud 4 star who has been our best player for 3 years and the article downplays it like he’s a scrub
 
Jack wrote:
"All of these New York 5 stars leave the city and go to these one and done schools and we are never gonna be able to do anything about that, but we did get a stud 4 star who has been our best player for 3 years and the article downplays it like he’s a scrub."

You are correct. Most of the city 5 star players have been money players in more ways than one can imagine. They have been opportunists looking for the immediate spotlight. Not the type of player that you can build a program around unless you get 2 or 3 a year like the blue blood who play dirty.
It referenced Shamorie Ponds as an exception but certainly not a scrub. The irony with Slick is that all the groundwork recruiting him was done by Tony Chiles who I saw at many of his games as a junior before Mullin was hired.
A more common theme with the Mullin staff is not closing on players like Luther Mohammed or seeing a center from Molloy end up on a crap UCLA team. When the only recruiter is Matt we have a serious long term problem.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=323081][quote="Jack Williams" post=322979][quote="cbruno" post=322972]This reporter does not have St Johns in its best. Interest. His article though correct on some points is demeaning and does not in anyway help with his articles. I wonder where he went to College. Hopefully the post takes him off writing on us[/quote]

What in the article was so wrong/bad? It’s a pretty spot on look into the program.

The only issue I have with the article is it really downplays Shamorie Ponds. Even the final line of the article about how it’s been a long time since a kid came along that wanted to stay home and play for SJU in the city.

Maybe he wasn’t the “coveted 5 star” as Braziller puts it, but look at Ponds has been for this school. 5 star or not, one of the best to ever put on the red and white jersey.

I don’t have a problem with the point the article is trying to make but he kind of brushes Ponds off like he’s a city kid averaging 5 points a game off the bench

(“It’s less about St. John’s identity, and I think it’s more about the kid’s identity,” Borman said. “The kid is going to have to have that DNA to say, ‘Man, I want to stay home and do this.’ ”

It has been almost two decades since that kid came along.)

No Zach it’s been 3 years[/quote]

I hate to say it, but I don't think Ponds is the type of recruit that the article is speaking about. When the article talks about the local kid who wants to stay home, I think it is referring to the top 10 ranked local kid staying home. The kid who chooses us over the likes of Kentucky, Duke, Villanova.[/quote]

I’ll take 3-4 years of a stud like Ponds over any one-and-done.
 
[quote="Room112" post=323015][quote="IDRAFT" post=322994]This was an unbiased article but so incomplete as to be useless. How can he write an article about five star recruiting and not even mention under the table cash payments? The recent trials ands settlements that have been in the news are facts that were ignored. A good amount of these five star kids don't even stay at school through their entire freshman year and I'm supposed to believe "campus life" is a factor?

For me, you write about five stars and leave out the money angle, you wrote a worthless article. Par for the Braziller course.[/quote]

I thought the same thing. Especially since we've been running a clean program, and it has come out that several NYC kids have taken money to go to top programs lately.[/quote]

I agree with IDRAFT here. I don't know who is clean, but we all know how many have not been clean. How can a journalist do this piece and not include the elephant in the room? Men advising these kids have been breaking federal crimes by receiving money for delivering these players for years. Every staff since Jarvis were criticized by the locals. Sports journalists are not doing their job when they put out a crap article like this one, pretending that illegal payments are not in play here. I am waiting to read a local reporter write up a piece on the jail bound Arizona Assistant who has been eating our lunch for twenty years.
 
With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=323126]With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.[/quote]

Just get talent. Who cares where they come from and the script.

Give me 5 Juco Figueroa’s every year and I wouldn’t blink an eye.
 
[quote="billthetruth" post=323469][quote="MarkRedman" post=323126]With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.[/quote]

Just get talent. Who cares where they come from and the script.

Give me 5 Juco Figueroa’s every year and I wouldn’t blink an eye.[/quote]

I would love to get every local talent. But lets be realistic that many want to go away. Keeping a few good ones would be key.

Get Curbelo. He is a winner very much in mold of Figueroa doing a little bit of everything to help his team win
 
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[quote="billthetruth" post=323469][quote="MarkRedman" post=323126]With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.[/quote]

Just get talent. Who cares where they come from and the script.

Give me 5 Juco Figueroa’s every year and I wouldn’t blink an eye.[/quote]

The problem is there aren’t 5 JUCOS like him anymore. He is rare because he was enrolled at at a tournament school, New Mexico St. and practiced with them and with one of the best offensive rebounders and defenders in the country before going to JUCO. He saw a tournament run first hand.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=323471][quote="billthetruth" post=323469][quote="MarkRedman" post=323126]With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.[/quote]

Just get talent. Who cares where they come from and the script.

Give me 5 Juco Figueroa’s every year and I wouldn’t blink an eye.[/quote]

The problem is there aren’t 5 JUCOS like him anymore. He is rare because he was enrolled at at a tournament school, New Mexico St. and practiced with them and with one of the best offensive rebounders and defenders in the country before going to JUCO. He saw a tournament run first hand.[/quote]

My point is just get good players. Like Coach Lou said and did.
 
[quote="billthetruth" post=323473][quote="Marillac" post=323471][quote="billthetruth" post=323469][quote="MarkRedman" post=323126]With lots of local kids being our guests for the Nova game, my hope is that we can flip the script regarding our recruiting practices. My hope is that, starting with the incoming Class of 2020, the emphasis will be on bringing in quality high school kids with an occasional transfer/JUCO to fill a need and create roster balance as opposed to it being the other way around as it is right now.[/quote]

Just get talent. Who cares where they come from and the script.

Give me 5 Juco Figueroa’s every year and I wouldn’t blink an eye.[/quote]

The problem is there aren’t 5 JUCOS like him anymore. He is rare because he was enrolled at at a tournament school, New Mexico St. and practiced with them and with one of the best offensive rebounders and defenders in the country before going to JUCO. He saw a tournament run first hand.[/quote]

My point is just get good players. Like Coach Lou said and did.[/quote]

And spread the years out so you don’t have 10 graduating in one year.

Roberts and Lavin failed miserably at class structure and scholarship distribution MHO and can’t build a program that way
 
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