Jim Whitesell

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That hire seems like a bullseye. I was under the impression he was a great X and O guy but I don't see any improvement. Is Lavin asking for input
 
That hire seems like a bullseye. I was under the impression he was a great X and O guy but I don't see any improvement. Is Lavin asking for input

I was in the minority telling some to temper expectations based on his track record. I don't think it matters who is there honestly.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.
 
Look it stands to reason you hire a specialist you talk ,communicate and throw things around. It goes beyond the coaching .As I said, lets start putting the blame where it belongs on the players I know he picked them but obviously their HS credentials did not whole up in Div 1.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

With all due respect to Dunlap, whose qualifications and knowledge of the game are not challenged, the 2010-2011 started weakly, got white hot for the middle third of the season, and staggered home. Without Hardy playing that middle third like the best guard in the country, Wooden with assistants of Knight, Coach K, and Rick Pitino don't go anywhere.
 
Look it stands to reason you hire a specialist you talk ,communicate and throw things around. It goes beyond the coaching .As I said, lets start putting the blame where it belongs on the players I know he picked them but obviously their HS credentials did not whole up in Div 1.

No, it doesn't go beyond the coaching. Players play and coaches put them in the best position to win.

Right now, neither is being done at SJU.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

Could not believe what I just saw
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

Could not believe what I just saw

I try not to think about our timeout usage in general because there is no way it can be explained or comprehended, and we have more pressing issues. But that was absolutely incredible last night.

It is funny though, any time we are on an 8-0 run you know one of two things is coming: a timeout or a substitution. He loves the timeout to stop our own run. Half my section in the Garden goes nuts when it happens, it's pretty hysterical at this point.
 
That last time out taken says it all. Why ? Why to so many things this year. I could go on and on....and dont be fooled fellas, when they win another game or two, you diehard fans will be back- hopes alive to only be crushed once again. I know because i am among you. I just wish, just for one year we had a legit top 5 team. Its been so long and we really deserve it.....as hard as it is for me to say this....Go Johnnies!
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

Could not believe what I just saw

I try not to think about our timeout usage in general because there is no way it can be explained or comprehended, and we have more pressing issues. But that was absolutely incredible last night.

It is funny though, any time we are on an 8-0 run you know one of two things is coming: a timeout or a substitution. He loves the timeout to stop our own run. Half my section in the Garden goes nuts when it happens, it's pretty hysterical at this point.

He loves pulling the hot player, and more unexplainable stopping OUR runs.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

It's incredibly common for coaches to use a timeout the way Lavin did, and diagram a play. IF you use a time out right before a final possession, the defense gets a chance to set up, and getting a good shot is often much easier by pushing the ball upcourt quickly.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

It's incredibly common for coaches to use a timeout the way Lavin did, and diagram a play. IF you use a time out right before a final possession, the defense gets a chance to set up, and getting a good shot is often much easier by pushing the ball upcourt quickly.

I agree, but we had just came out of a timeout and he called another one.
 
Jim is an afterthought during games deferring to Rico. A total mystery to me. Fact remains players execute poorly and they are the ones who miss bunnies.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

It's incredibly common for coaches to use a timeout the way Lavin did, and diagram a play. IF you use a time out right before a final possession, the defense gets a chance to set up, and getting a good shot is often much easier by pushing the ball upcourt quickly.

Not when it is your last time out and you are just coming out of a huddle. What did he discuss during then?
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

It's incredibly common for coaches to use a timeout the way Lavin did, and diagram a play. IF you use a time out right before a final possession, the defense gets a chance to set up, and getting a good shot is often much easier by pushing the ball upcourt quickly.

Not when it is your last time out and you are just coming out of a huddle. What did he discuss during then?

Refresh my memory. Did he call them before the teams took the court and just called them consecutively, or did he see how DePaul lined up at the foul line or something else? Thanks.
 
Look it stands to reason you hire a specialist you talk ,communicate and throw things around. It goes beyond the coaching .As I said, lets start putting the blame where it belongs on the players I know he picked them but obviously their HS credentials did not whole up in Div 1.

Totally disagree. The coaching deficit is obvious and noted by two separate fan bases.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

How about the TO after Depaul called a TO with 15 seconds or so left. We were down 1, and were assured of getting the ball back. I don't get why he needed a look at what Depaul was going to run - either way we needed a TO to set up our offense.

Could not believe what I just saw

I try not to think about our timeout usage in general because there is no way it can be explained or comprehended, and we have more pressing issues. But that was absolutely incredible last night.

It is funny though, any time we are on an 8-0 run you know one of two things is coming: a timeout or a substitution. He loves the timeout to stop our own run. Half my section in the Garden goes nuts when it happens, it's pretty hysterical at this point.

He loves pulling the hot player, and more unexplainable stopping OUR runs.

Absolutely. Once i saw Branch get three assists in three possessions, I knew he was headed for the bench.
 
This is something that I've definitely been wondering. Is Lavin empowering and trusting Jim Whitesell to have a significant role in the on-court product like he did with Dunlap?? Definitely a mystery, as I'd find it hard to believe that things would be going this way if Whitesell was in significant control of practices and the identity of the team.

Really hard to tell. There is so much inconsistency. For example, in the first 5-10 possessions last night we ran a little low flex cut for Jordan to get him the ball in the mid-post. DePaul seemed uncomfortable guarding it (likely a result of being unprepared for it, as we hadn't run that action once all season) and we got a bucket or two out of it. I thought it was brilliant stuff as we got our best playmaker touches in a different part of the floor, but then never went back to it for the rest of the game.

Who drew this up? Why did we go away from it? Was it intended solely to get a few easy baskets early with the thought that DePaul would easily adjust to it? Always more questions than answers when it comes to our X/O.

I posted that 3 times last night...i was impressed that we recognized the Jordan/Garrett mismatch...then we never exploited it again
 
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