Jaren Sina, PG - Seton Hall
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westchesterjoe
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Agree completely , we need more than the boom or bust recruiting philosophy IMHO.
Sina would bring a lot to the table for this team.
What boom or bust recruiting philosophy? We have one scholarship and we have targeted Jordan. So we offer Sina or Severe at the very last moment after not recruiting them and all the work for Jordan is thrown away? What message does that send to recruits down the road? We obviously may or may not get Jordan but it realy sends the wrong message to not stay the course. I am as disappointed in our year as any realistic fan but Lavin and co. need to follow their plan, not resort to panic. Things have been tough but it was no easy task these guys signed up for. Real rocky year for sure but the program didn't catch many breaks either with the Harkless and Dunlap jumps, Harrison's shenanigans and Branch's injuries, not to mention Sanchez and Lavin's cancer. We need to stabilize and stabilizing means sticking to your plan, not panickiing.
Lavin never should have said he's ok with missing out on our '13 targets. You can't handcuff yourself to a recruit, regardless of your ship count.
Jordan wanted to announce (to whom we don't know) back in November and his coach told him to wait.
You can't feel sorry for recruits' feelings when they don't feel sorry for yours.
Jordan had one official at SJU and attended our game vs Nova. But he's been to Temple games countless times.
It's an arms race. We have one ship and a solid roster in place for next year. As a coach, you always should cover your behind with contingency plans. We can't wait until 4/15 to start chasing other players. That's absurd.
Obekpa's recruitment dragged out and we pursued other players. If Obekpa wanted to catch feelings, that's on him.
Jordan knows exactly where he wants to go at this point. If his first name was Michael, you wait for him. It's not.
Sina brings skillsets to the table that this team sorely needs. You'd have to be stupid not to have exploratory talks with him. Especially seeing that his father is a Coach and knows exactly how this recruiting game works. Just be upfront with him.
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Countless NYC kids have attended many games ar SJ only to go to other schools out of town.
Alabama has recruited Sina hard and they have a fine young coach so it is a long shot for us.
Our problem now is whose ships to pull.
For all those countless NYC kids who attended SJU games, how many of those teams we had were NCAA tourney teams or featured a conference player of the year on them? Probably none.
Jordan was attending Temple games for a team that made the tourney and featured the A10 POY. It gives him something positive to envision himself doing.
I'm not saying we'd get Sina nor Severe.
What I'm saying is having a boom or bust mentality is detrimental when you should be constantly trying to improve your roster. You think Calipari is worried about how many ships he has? You think he'd shed a tear if he had to tell Harrow to take a hike because they need to open up a ship?
You can't wait on one recruit and not have a backup plan. And I honestly don't think they're that stupid to do so. May not be Sina/Severe but they'd have to be looking at someone right now as they would be foolish not to believe that Jordan is a Temple lean right now.
Jordan has mentioned on several other occasions that he would announce, but he didn't. Many of these kids (especially, the highly rated recruits) enjoys the process, and likes to tease. I told Moose to expect for Jordan to pop in April.
Logen is right, in reference to a staff not wavering on a recruit, per panic mode. If a staff truly feels they have a chance at a recruit, then you don't panic. You stick to your guns. You don't deter from your plan because a few fans get frustrated and panics. The only way they would've moved away from Jordan, if they felt they had no shot at all.
You keep mentioning Jordan attending Temple games. He lives in Philly, so why not attend their games? Corey Fisher was, supposedly, a staple at St. John's games. Look how that turned out.
Maybe, he does end up at Temple, but by him regularly attending their games doesn't necessarily mean he'll go there.
By the way, a kid only gets one official to a school. You can take as many unofficial visits, as you want. But you can only take one official.
What if the staff seriously explored the options of Sina or Severe, and one of them decided to pop for St. John's? Then, they end up finding out that Jordan was gonna pop for the Johnnies? Some folks here would be ready to tar and feather Lavin for such a faux pas.
Sina and Severe may very, well turn out to be terrific players. They could turn out being more beneficial than Jordan. Who knows!?!
I also wouldn't have doubted Sina and Severe would've been targets, if the staff wasn't knee-deep in the recruitment of Jordan. But if you have the chance to get Jordan over those two kids, then you go with the kid who'll probably pay immediate dividends. Any coach worth his salt would do the exact same thing in a similar position.
In bold: I've stated several times that this is overrated. Eric Bossi, who talks to kids far more often than we do, recently had this to say:
How much does a team's NCAA performance matter to recruits?
-- Micah, Dallas (via email)
My general view is that it doesn't really seem to matter all that much, or at least not as much as I wish it did. I do think that many recruits would at least like the chance to play in the tournament, but nobody is cutting Kentucky off their list because they lost to Robert Morris in the NIT.
Kansas didn't lose traction with recruits for losing to Northern Iowa or VCU. I talk to kids all the time getting recruited by Texas who bring up Kevin Durant and what he did for the program when they lost in the second round in his year. The fact is that kids for the most part care about their relationship with the coach and playing style. Obviously, regular tournament success is another selling point so I don't in any way mean to discount that it can help. I just don't think it makes a big difference in the grand scheme of things.
Personally, I wish kids would take a lot longer look at the postseason success of teams. Especially when it comes to picking a team that has continually struggled in one league versus a team that maybe plays in a lesser league but always competes for titles and NCAA Tourney appearances.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1486450&PT=4&PR=2
Jordan a Temple-lean? Based on what?
Jordan has been a frequent visitor to Temple games during the 2012-13 season and at St. John's the Red Storm should be returning a team full of long and athletic players with whom Jordan would fit in nicely. Steve Lavin and the Red Storm, much like UCLA, have also been a rumored leader at time.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1488325
Hmmmmmmm.... Sounds like something I was similarly told about 3 months ago.
Hey! Maybe, he is a now Temple-lean, but there hasn't been anything there to sufficiently support it.
My gut isn't confident. But just because my gut isn't confident doesn't necessarily mean Jordan's a Temple-lean. Having a hunch he's a Temple-lean is much different than saying, Jordan IS a Temple-lean. That is speaking in absolutes, when we really do not know that to be the truth. By the way, I'm not counting UCLA outta this just yet.
I agree they should have a backup plan. But the staff were only targeting kids who they felt would pay immediate dividends next season. Most kids who have the chance to pay immediate dividends, as a freshman, aren't gonna wait around for a school.
There is also a chance they could end up with a kid who reneges due to a coach being fired or going to another school. They could also luck out with one of those 5th year players who can immediately play after leaving a school.