It's just hoops

[quote="Moose" post=307491][quote="Room112" post=307486]It's actually pretty funny that at the game, I happened to be sitting next to a huge fan, who knew everything about the team just like us. I asked if he was a poster on this site and he said he reads it from time to time, but people are too negative on here.[/quote]

I used to wonder why so many people just read. Or didn't even know about the site. But I think many do they just don't want to admit it honestly. Because it does get stupid and crazy far too often.[/quote]

I was just a "reader" or "lurker" for a long time also until I felt compelled to reply. Think I had a couple posts then was quiet for a couple years. Now I try to post more often.

It was nice to put faces to nicknames and I will certainly try to meet up at other games I go to.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=307500][quote="Moose" post=307491][quote="Room112" post=307486]It's actually pretty funny that at the game, I happened to be sitting next to a huge fan, who knew everything about the team just like us. I asked if he was a poster on this site and he said he reads it from time to time, but people are too negative on here.[/quote]

I used to wonder why so many people just read. Or didn't even know about the site. But I think many do they just don't want to admit it honestly. Because it does get stupid and crazy far too often.[/quote]

Did you ever post on BEB?[/quote]

Yes
 
The December 3 rd edition of Sports ILustrated had a feature article on College Hoops transfers and 5 th year Grad transfers . Villanova and Kentucky were prominently mentioned Stanford transfer Travis and Nova transfer , Cremo respectively . It’s a good read and covers both , the Pro and Con, of the issue . Some posters here might enjoy the read . Mullin has taken a lot of heat over the composition of his team with mostly all transfers and this story might present some views not frequently articulated on this site . Many Coaches , including Calipari and Wright , have taken 5 th year players this year . Their views are interesting . If you look at most top 100 HS prospects in any year , most , not all , wind up at very large and well Endowed State Universities that have Tax payer funding . Duke being a exception but, Duke has had 30 years or more of Coach K . And , even he has gone the 1 and done route of late . The criticism of Mullin’s recruiting in not getting top 100 kids is valid , until one realizes , most of these players all want Pro Careers , instant starting roles and lots of PT plus guarantees they will be the major Offensive player from the get go . And, once a Coach commits to the one and done game plan , it becomes that Coaches only Game plan . Even , if St John’s was in the running for a 1 and done player , is that what we want for the School and program? Retooling every year ? Some here , would say yes . The reality is that , with rare exception , none of the BE Schools are in the 1 and done ball game . Not even Nova with 2 Championships in the last 3 years . Spellman being a exception last year.. The point of this being why fault our recruiting Transfers , if it works for us and other programs ? Think of it , this way, would we have wound up with , either Simon or Clark as recruits right out of HS? How about Heron or Figuroa? Steere , Wright , Carraher ? The answer is a strong No! All of them went to the Big State University schools , exception Figgy who went juco. So , while it’s nice to dream about getting too 25-50 players from HS , the reality is most BE schools don’t . Better we get them , after all the promises made them as 18 year olds that don’t pan out and that fit our Program . I think Mullin has adapted to the changing Recruting game very well . That’s my opinion .
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=307487][quote="Room112" post=307486]It's actually pretty funny that at the game, I happened to be sitting next to a huge fan, who knew everything about the team just like us. I asked if he was a poster on this site and he said he reads it from time to time, but people are too negative on here.[/quote]

Hey , it was really nice to meet you and put a face with your name. Like a close family member who roots hard for uconn, I can excuse your affiliation with that school. Looking forward to the next time, and get to chat with you a little also.[/quote]

Beast great meeting you as well! It was great to meet so many who I respect on this site especially yourself.

And trust me, I probably hate UConn basketball more than you guys!
 
[quote="Moose" post=307491][quote="Room112" post=307486]It's actually pretty funny that at the game, I happened to be sitting next to a huge fan, who knew everything about the team just like us. I asked if he was a poster on this site and he said he reads it from time to time, but people are too negative on here.[/quote]

I used to wonder why so many people just read. Or didn't even know about the site. But I think many do they just don't want to admit it honestly. Because it does get stupid and crazy far too often.[/quote]

No idea, but I got this random group of fans on the fire Mullin bandwagon LoL!! They were having fun with that one. There are alot of great fans out there who don't even post on the site, would be fun to hear their take on things.
 
[quote="simplyred" post=307502]When I first joined these various sites, I used to enjoy the feuds and negative posts. A running joke between my daughter (a huge fan and alum) and myself is “Meet me in Howard Beach”—- a line said by one poster when he challenged another one to a fight on the old BEB. Now I find them tedious and just skim through most posts. I seldom look at who wrote the post before I read. If something interesting is said, I go back to the top to see who wrote it.

I am one of the middle of the road guys who is neither a Mullin hater nor a pie in the sky guy. Unfortunately, that means that both extremes annoy me.[/quote]

Middle of the road is good. I'm an independent politically so I never just go with the party line. Even though this is a sports forum some views are strictly along party lines. There are self-appointed party leaders and spokesmen. The one thing I agree with in regards to Beast’s post is that repetitive posts tend to get tedious and distract from the discussion. We have all been guilty of it on both sides of the topic.
This thread and the words of Mike Maher, Jr., the most ardent of fans here, was conveyed with an important message if we missed it "there isnt one poster here who is so important to hate another poster". That is more significant when posters personalize their responses and blend name calling and stereotyping based on a viewpoint, one's age or any other thing to diminish another person.
If topics are started in this members forum it should be resonably be expected that fans will have different takes. It appears that when there is a different opinion they are viewed as negative and because their position is consistent with their original point of view they are branded as repetitive. Everyone here supports the program. To imply otherwise is wrong. I find sad when responses are met with name calling. Ironically the name calling is usually done by a self-described supporter.
Your reference to that notorious poster therefore rings a bell in that many here know who you are referring to and who was tolerated even on redmen.com for years until he crossed the line to the point of threat of legal action. That person was a mod here who didn't think that "it's just hoops". Mike Zaun, or anyone else who ever participated in this discussion board pale in comparison to the person you mentioned.
As Beast said repetitive posting is boring and annoying and mods have the power to delete as they see fit. I agree with him that behavior modification is in order. I've stated many times the more voices of fans, true fans, the better here. Especially young voices that will be the future of this site after some of us old timers move on.
 
Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.

I told this story 4-5x now, but I remember attending an event at the New York Athletic Club and getting into an elevator alone, only to have the doors open last second for the entire Norm Roberts staff to join me. They were making jokes about what posters would be there...including Marillac. They rattled off a dozen or so posters in various jokes. I wish I could remember it better and I really wish I could have filmed it inconspicuously, but it was just before the iPhone.

That ties into my main point...the first two laws of the internet are that negative people will be overrepresnted and that anonymity or partial anonymity will lead people to say things they normally wouldn't in person. That was a weird one for me because I literally lived 100 feet away from the venue and I was in that elevator with them 90-120 seconds after I posted on an SJU forum about them. I literally shut my laptop got in the elevator down, walked less than 100 feet, and I was in the elevator with the coach I just posted negatively about. I'd never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

Another weird one was riding in Showtime's SUV with Grady Reynolds to a class field trip at the Bronx Zoo in a summer class designed for students athletes. It was just the three of us. They mentioned the forums at the zoo and asked me if I read or posted since I was always at practice. I just said no :)
 
[quote="Marillac" post=307521]Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.

I told this story 4-5x now, but I remember attending an event at the New York Athletic Club and getting into an elevator alone, only to have the doors open last second for the entire Norm Roberts staff to join me. They were making jokes about what posters would be there...including Marillac. They rattled off a dozen or so posters in various jokes. I wish I could remember it better and I really wish I could have filmed it inconspicuously, but it was just before the iPhone.

That ties into my main point...the first two laws of the internet are that negative people will be overrepresnted and that anonymity or partial anonymity will lead people to say things they normally wouldn't in person. That was a weird one for me because I literally lived 100 feet away from the venue and I was in that elevator with them 90-120 seconds after I posted on an SJU forum about them. I literally shut my laptop got in the elevator down, walked less than 100 feet, and I was in the elevator with the coach I just posted negatively about. I'd never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

Another weird one was riding in Showtime's SUV with Grady Reynolds to a class field trip at the Bronx Zoo in a summer class designed for students athletes. It was just the three of us. They mentioned the forums at the zoo and asked me if I read or posted since I was always at practice. I just said no :)[/quote]

We all wish we were in that elevator to see your face :)
 
[quote="Marillac" post=307521]Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.

I told this story 4-5x now, but I remember attending an event at the New York Athletic Club and getting into an elevator alone, only to have the doors open last second for the entire Norm Roberts staff to join me. They were making jokes about what posters would be there...including Marillac. They rattled off a dozen or so posters in various jokes. I wish I could remember it better and I really wish I could have filmed it inconspicuously, but it was just before the iPhone.

That ties into my main point...the first two laws of the internet are that negative people will be overrepresnted and that anonymity or partial anonymity will lead people to say things they normally wouldn't in person. That was a weird one for me because I literally lived 100 feet away from the venue and I was in that elevator with them 90-120 seconds after I posted on an SJU forum about them. I literally shut my laptop got in the elevator down, walked less than 100 feet, and I was in the elevator with the coach I just posted negatively about. I'd never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

Another weird one was riding in Showtime's SUV with Grady Reynolds to a class field trip at the Bronx Zoo in a summer class designed for students athletes. It was just the three of us. They mentioned the forums at the zoo and asked me if I read or posted since I was always at practice. I just said no :)[/quote]

Terrific story Marillac!
I love your comment that you would "never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings." I'm sure you were more afraid of Fred Quartlebaum hurting you.:p
 
As someone who has been writing on these things on various sports topics since Dial-up Modems I have found a few common truths. One, as many have posted today, is that folks tend to post things they would never say to someone's face. I know I was guilty of that often in my younger days and as much as I hate to admit it if I looked back at my posts on forums the last year or so I'm sure I've screwed that up a few times lately as well. I'm in complete agreement that it's a good rule to attempt to follow.

Another thing I have learned is that people very much do not want to be wrong. We are all human and there is a permanence to items in writing versus exclamations in a bar or waiting for a train after a game. For that reason I just don't post a lot of negative stuff, I think it puts people in the uncomfortable spot of either rooting against their team or rooting to look a fool. I'm sure some can more easily straddle that line, I rather just avoid it.

Over time I also realize that for some people forums are a venting tool, and they don't even really believe half of what they post. A good example of this is game threads. I would never post in-game, and the last few years never read anything posted by anyone else that was written during a game. More than any other posts they tend to be fueled by emotion over logic, and although I hope they provide therapeutic benefit to those seeking it, if any game comes to that I rather just drink.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=307548][quote="Marillac" post=307521]Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.

I told this story 4-5x now, but I remember attending an event at the New York Athletic Club and getting into an elevator alone, only to have the doors open last second for the entire Norm Roberts staff to join me. They were making jokes about what posters would be there...including Marillac. They rattled off a dozen or so posters in various jokes. I wish I could remember it better and I really wish I could have filmed it inconspicuously, but it was just before the iPhone.

That ties into my main point...the first two laws of the internet are that negative people will be overrepresnted and that anonymity or partial anonymity will lead people to say things they normally wouldn't in person. That was a weird one for me because I literally lived 100 feet away from the venue and I was in that elevator with them 90-120 seconds after I posted on an SJU forum about them. I literally shut my laptop got in the elevator down, walked less than 100 feet, and I was in the elevator with the coach I just posted negatively about. I'd never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

Another weird one was riding in Showtime's SUV with Grady Reynolds to a class field trip at the Bronx Zoo in a summer class designed for students athletes. It was just the three of us. They mentioned the forums at the zoo and asked me if I read or posted since I was always at practice. I just said no :)[/quote]

Terrific story Marillac!
I love your comment that you would "never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings." I'm sure you were more afraid of Fred Quartlebaum hurting you.:p[/quote]

I'm Irish...too little confidence about my chances in a fight will never be the problem. ;)
 
[quote="Marillac" post=307665][quote="Class of 72" post=307548][quote="Marillac" post=307521]Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.


Terrific story Marillac!
I love your comment that you would "never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings." I'm sure you were more afraid of Fred Quartlebaum hurting you.:p[/quote]

I'm Irish...too little confidence about my chances in a fight will never be the problem. ;)[/quote]

Lol! That's why I have lost every single battle with my wife!
 
[quote="Marillac" post=307665][quote="Class of 72" post=307548][quote="Marillac" post=307521]Anyone who is a big St. John's fan reads the forums at the very least. So do the players and coaches.

If somebody wrote a post about your day at work, physical appearance, or vacation you'd read it too. Every single one of us.

I told this story 4-5x now, but I remember attending an event at the New York Athletic Club and getting into an elevator alone, only to have the doors open last second for the entire Norm Roberts staff to join me. They were making jokes about what posters would be there...including Marillac. They rattled off a dozen or so posters in various jokes. I wish I could remember it better and I really wish I could have filmed it inconspicuously, but it was just before the iPhone.

That ties into my main point...the first two laws of the internet are that negative people will be overrepresnted and that anonymity or partial anonymity will lead people to say things they normally wouldn't in person. That was a weird one for me because I literally lived 100 feet away from the venue and I was in that elevator with them 90-120 seconds after I posted on an SJU forum about them. I literally shut my laptop got in the elevator down, walked less than 100 feet, and I was in the elevator with the coach I just posted negatively about. I'd never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings.

Another weird one was riding in Showtime's SUV with Grady Reynolds to a class field trip at the Bronx Zoo in a summer class designed for students athletes. It was just the three of us. They mentioned the forums at the zoo and asked me if I read or posted since I was always at practice. I just said no :)[/quote]

Terrific story Marillac!
I love your comment that you would "never be that negative to someone in person out of fear of hurting someone's feelings." I'm sure you were more afraid of Fred Quartlebaum hurting you.:p[/quote]

I'm Irish...too little confidence about my chances in a fight will never be the problem. ;)[/quote] :)
 
Yeah it's no secret that players and coaches read these websites. I have heard different coaches mention specific posters several times.

I was once at a prep school game where I noticed a former assistant coach at a Big East school actually posting on his teams fan forum on his laptop. Turns out from a good friend of mine who is a fan of that team that the fanbase was highly suspicious of a poster they thought was related to this coach. This poster was consistently posting about how awful the head coach was and how the school should fire the head coach ASAP and promote the assistant due to his deep ties with a certain AAU program that had multiple 5 star players. A few months later the whole staff including the assistant were fired and this poster supposedly never posted again.
 
Some of the stories as to how people started posting here are very interesting. Years ago (like sometime in the 90's) I was talking to someone who happened to be an executive at a company I was working at. Had some SJU stuff on my desk and he asked if I went to SJU. I said sure and that of course I was loyal to the Redmen and had season tickets at the time. He mentioned to me that he was a poster of this website and that I should check it out. I never asked what his "posting name is". I did (check it out) and for the longest time I read (lurked) without posting. Read Maven's and Tom in Simsbury etc. It was a way to stay connected with the hoops team but more importantly with SJU. I think I got so frustrated with the direction of the program several years ago and used the outlet to vent. Signed up started posting.
Honestly, the common thread here that I've seen is that people cared about the team and the school. Most guys (or girls, who knows?) are just diehard fans.

Finally, after all these years I suspect I know who that person's posting name is but I am not sure. He posts here very rarely and I haven't seen his name in quite some time. Never been able to confirm that it was the same guy.
 
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