IS THE GARDEN ACC TERRITORY?

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Let's worry about things we can control such as filling up CA and The Garden.

For those who are salivating at the thought of joining the ACC, it is obvious St. John's becomes very attractive if their games are SRO or very close to it.. 

Arguably, we are going to be the lichpin in a conference without Syracuse and Pitt.

If we do well, the conference will do well.

It will be more important than ever for us to dominate the NYC market.

A very good progarm will result in a ton of positive national publicity.

After all, we are located in the media capital of the planet.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

 Dee, I will agree they pulled the rug out from under us IF they aren't finished raiding us. If we don't lose anyone else, we are still a great basketball conference. G'Town, L'Ville, Nova, SJ, SH, Prov, USF, Cincy, UConn, Marquette, Memphis, Temple, etc.

I hear so many people calling it "C-USA" now which is total and utter BS. C-USA usually had ONE legit team and that team (Memphis) is with us now. Assuming the raiding is over, the Big East is still at worst every bit as talented as the ACC and at most even better than the ACC. Think about it...top to bottom the Big East is pretty stacked. Only DePaul has truly been a pushover. All the other teams can go out and slay giants any given day. The ACC has 3 studs in Cuse, Duke, UNC, but there is a major dropoff after them. VT, Virginia, GT, Miami, WF, Maryland, Boston College, etc. don't really scare me.

 


Yes, VT, Virginia, GT, Miami, WF, Maryland, Boston College, etc don't really scare you..

Just as SJ, SH, Prov, USF, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, etc. probably don't really scare the ACC all that much either....

They are all probably on the same level. Decent teams that can surprise you every once in a while, but are nowhere near the 'elite' status and are consistently making a run towards the title.

 

[LINY89]

 Disagree to an extent...VT, Virginia, GT, MIA, Maryland, BC, etc are almost never ranked. Memphis is, Temple is, Cincy is (and sweet 16), SH was, SJ has decent shot.

The Big East is more complete top to bottom.

 

[Class of 72]

What wouldn't surprise me is to see Syracuse, Pitt, and ND have 1 ACC regular season "home" game at MSG every year.

 

 

Maybe Syracuse because it is a team in the state of New York but in ALL the years in the Big East---, when did Pitt or ND ever have a "home" game at MSG?

All of a sudden, because they are in the ACC, the Garden becomes the bordello to these prostitutes? When college teams have to play "home games" 600 miles from home it smacks their "home fans" in the face. It becomes a traveling circus from a conference (ACC) bent on insulting the conference that was making it irrelevant in college basketball.
Karma has a way of taking care of scumbags like Syracuse, BC and the filthy Irish scum moving to the northern division of the ACC's version of the Big East in a southern conference.

So much is being said in a insulting tone about the Big East going national, denigrating its name and brand, but when you take a close look, the ACC wants to become the old Big East to the point of giving the Irish scum a pass in football, as did the BE, and yet, we forget that BC has become all but irrelevant on the national level.

We at SJ are not, never were and never will be a football school. Good basketball programs get ranked and invited to the dance whether they are in the ACC or the A10. Creighton, Gonzaga, Butler, UNLV, Temple all get the exposure they deserve without the ACC penis envy we are exhibiting here.

We are about college basketball. It would not surprise me if in the next couple of years schools like St. John's in NYC, Temple in Philly, Marquette in Milwaukee, DePaul in Chicago, Memphis, Houston etc. etc. have better basketball teams top to bottom than the old Big East, AKA, the ACC.
What we are now learning from this elite group of superior academic schools is that course loads, admissions and other factors have been manipulated to keep some of these Rhodes scholars eligible. What works in our working class school's favor is that there are just so many academic scholars that play basketball that qualify for Duke or Notre Dame and with hard recruiting work, there is no reason the new Big East cannot become the working man's conference, the conference America wants to identify with and root for against those elitest snobs from South Bend or Durham or Chestnut Hill.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

They (Pitt and ND) never had a "home" games at MSG in the past because a reason to do so didn't exist.

They played St. John's, at the Garden, at a bare minimum once every two years, and in many yrs. every year at MSG.

(And let's not mention other appearances at The Rock and The Rack in N.J.)

So they were able to play in NYC (and to a much lesser extent in NJ) in front of thier fans, alumni and potential recruits and their families.

Now that they are bolting and may still be looking for a creative way to do the same.

If ND, in particular, thinks it is their interest to come to our area once a year, it's a no-brainer that they are going to choose MSG given a choice.

ND has had a "home" Football games in recent years in San Antonio and Washington D.C.

It isn't far fetched to think they would consider doing the same in hoops only telescoping the annual game's location to NYC nad MSG.

If we aren't selling out (or close to selling it out) The Garden and they potentially can, Dolan and Co. will welcome ND and Pitt with open arms.

 

[Class of 72]

They (Pitt and ND) never had a "home" games at MSG in the past because a reason to do so didn't exist.

They played St. John's, at the Garden, at a bare minimum once every two years, and in many yrs. every year at MSG.

(And let's not mention other appearances at The Rock and The Rack in N.J.)

So they were able to play in NYC (and to a much lesser extent in NJ) in front of thier fans, alumni and potential recruits and their families.

Now that they are bolting and may still be looking for a creative way to do the same.

If ND, in particular, thinks it is their interest to come to our area once a year, it's a no-brainer that they are going to choose MSG given a choice.

ND has had a "home" Football games in recent years in San Antonio and Washington D.C.

It isn't far fetched to think they would consider doing the same in hoops only telescoping the annual game's location to NYC nad MSG.

If we aren't selling out (or close to selling it out) The Garden and they potentially can, Dolan and Co. will welcome ND and Pitt with open arms.

 

Other than to play in front of some old alums, why would ND need to play a "home" game in NYC? At one time, they actively recruited northern Jersey for basketaball but that was a few decades ago. They do not sell the Garden even when they play a local St. John's team.
Pitt plays ALL it's home games in Pittsburgh as it should be. They are not a draw in NYC.
Finally, reality bites but unless your school is in NYC, call yourself what you want because you are wearing a white jersey but only an old alum with a tattered sweatshirt would think you were the "home" team......even though home is a few hundred miles west. It is an abstract reality and the real reality is that they would be renting an arena for the night........and may as well call it "Alumni Reunion" night.
Hey, my nephews graduated NYU at Yankee stadium and they despise the Bronx and the Bronx bombers. It is an annual NYU rental. Anyone willing to pay the rental price can rent MSG, if it has an open date.
St. John's rents it for a few home games because they are in the Big East and can afford to but if Fordham were as successful as they were under Digger they could rent the Garden for 6 or 7 home games also. St. John's does not own the Garden so we should not be so fearful of any college team playing there.
Finally, our game attendance has sucked because we have sucked in the past 20 years due to mismanagement at SJ. Fans in most major markets will not pay to see a defective product and SJ has been a defective product since coach C retired. You stated we need to pack the Garden and I agree but the product must be a good one as we have painfully learned.
Lavin is moving in the right direction and once we are THE NYC brand again, fans will buy tickets----whether our home game is at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, MSG or Carnesecca Arena.

 

[Section3]

They (Pitt and ND) never had a "home" games at MSG in the past because a reason to do so didn't exist.

They played St. John's, at the Garden, at a bare minimum once every two years, and in many yrs. every year at MSG.

(And let's not mention other appearances at The Rock and The Rack in N.J.)

So they were able to play in NYC (and to a much lesser extent in NJ) in front of thier fans, alumni and potential recruits and their families.

Now that they are bolting and may still be looking for a creative way to do the same.

If ND, in particular, thinks it is their interest to come to our area once a year, it's a no-brainer that they are going to choose MSG given a choice.

ND has had a "home" Football games in recent years in San Antonio and Washington D.C.

It isn't far fetched to think they would consider doing the same in hoops only telescoping the annual game's location to NYC nad MSG.

If we aren't selling out (or close to selling it out) The Garden and they potentially can, Dolan and Co. will welcome ND and Pitt with open arms.

 

ND, Pitt are not good enough draws to fill MSG without a local team in the mix..It would have to be a double header

 

[Section3]

Lavin is moving in the right direction and once we are THE NYC brand again, fans will buy tickets----whether our home game is at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, MSG or Carnesecca Arena.

 

+1

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

I have no idea how many Fulbright scholarships the other schools have but in reading the NY Times Magazine today here is what I learned about Alma Mater:

This year St. John's University had 13 finalists for Fulbright Scholarships. Of those, 7 have been offered awards. In addition, there are currently 3 alternate candidates whose status could change for the better! We are indeed proud of these students. 

So those great bastions of academic renown like Syracuse and ND----- go play with Duke and Wake Forest, but know you’re also playing with Florida State, Clemson and NC State.

 

[dee]

They (Pitt and ND) never had a "home" games at MSG in the past because a reason to do so didn't exist.

They played St. John's, at the Garden, at a bare minimum once every two years, and in many yrs. every year at MSG.

(And let's not mention other appearances at The Rock and The Rack in N.J.)

So they were able to play in NYC (and to a much lesser extent in NJ) in front of thier fans, alumni and potential recruits and their families.

Now that they are bolting and may still be looking for a creative way to do the same.










If ND, in particular, thinks it is their interest to come to our area once a year, it's a no-brainer that they are going to choose MSG given a choice.

ND has had a "home" Football games in recent years in San Antonio and Washington D.C.

It isn't far fetched to think they would consider doing the same in hoops only telescoping the annual game's location to NYC nad MSG.

If we aren't selling out (or close to selling it out) The Garden and they potentially can, Dolan and Co. will welcome ND and Pitt with open arms.

 

ND, Pitt are not good enough draws to fill MSG without a local team in the mix..It would have to be a double header

  



They could easily have "home" games with Duke and/or NC and fill the Garden 

 

[Class of 72]

They (Pitt and ND) never had a "home" games at MSG in the past because a reason to do so didn't exist.

They played St. John's, at the Garden, at a bare minimum once every two years, and in many yrs. every year at MSG.

(And let's not mention other appearances at The Rock and The Rack in N.J.)

So they were able to play in NYC (and to a much lesser extent in NJ) in front of thier fans, alumni and potential recruits and their families.

Now that they are bolting and may still be looking for a creative way to do the same.










If ND, in particular, thinks it is their interest to come to our area once a year, it's a no-brainer that they are going to choose MSG given a choice.

ND has had a "home" Football games in recent years in San Antonio and Washington D.C.

It isn't far fetched to think they would consider doing the same in hoops only telescoping the annual game's location to NYC nad MSG.

If we aren't selling out (or close to selling it out) The Garden and they potentially can, Dolan and Co. will welcome ND and Pitt with open arms.

 

ND, Pitt are not good enough draws to fill MSG without a local team in the mix..It would have to be a double header

  



They could easily have "home" games with Duke and/or NC and fill the Garden 

 

Geez D, give it a rest!!
So would Kentucky - UCLA----would that make the Garden SEC or PAC territory?
Assuming these great basketball programs are great post-coach K and post Jimmy, I frankly do not give a damn about what games MSG schedules in 2015-16-17.
If Temple, St. John's, Marquette, Memphis, Villanova, Uconn, Louisville, or whomever....in the remaining Big East-----are nationally ranked in 2015, it is all moot.
what is your fear and infatuation with the ACC in NYC??? An all-ACC game?
Some folks in Florida are just as worried about an all Big East game every week in Tampa and Orlando. Such is life in the Big cities.......remind us when the NY Knicks last won an NBA championship or were relevant in the NBA playoffs?
THEY are the home team at MSG and because of them, the Circus has made MSG the world's most famous arena.

 

[Section9]

 Sorry class of 72 but SU and Pitt already announced they would like to see the ACC have their tournament at the Garden (this came out with the announcement of their moves). You can bet your bottom dollar it has already been discussed with the powers that be in the ACC. It will be a quid pro quo for their move. Every other year their fans will just come to NY - didnt West Va always have big crowds here? I admire your positive thinking but the ACC has pulled the rug from under us and the rest of the BE. They wanted to be the #1 basketball league and they did it even if they had to poach a quarter of the BE to do it. 

 

Of course they'd "like" to see the Acc tourny at MSG. They have virtually no fan base in Greensboro. Otoh, aside from nc and puke, the acc has no fan base in nyc. How many of those acc blue-bloods do you think are going to be happy about coming up here for their tournament?

 

[dee]

 Sorry class of 72 but SU and Pitt already announced they would like to see the ACC have their tournament at the Garden (this came out with the announcement of their moves). You can bet your bottom dollar it has already been discussed with the powers that be in the ACC. It will be a quid pro quo for their move. Every other year their fans will just come to NY - didnt West Va always have big crowds here? I admire your positive thinking but the ACC has pulled the rug from under us and the rest of the BE. They wanted to be the #1 basketball league and they did it even if they had to poach a quarter of the BE to do it. 

 

Of course they'd "like" to see the Acc tourny at MSG. They have virtually no fan base in Greensboro. Otoh, aside from nc and puke, the acc has no fan base in nyc. How many of those acc blue-bloods do you think are going to be happy about coming up here for their tournament?

 

I would think Maryland has a fan base here and if West Va could draw in NY so can VT, add them to Duke and UNC and the natural fan base for Pitt and Cuse and the Garden can make sense, especially if they want to stick the knife in the big east and turn it before they pull it out

 

[Section9]

 Sorry class of 72 but SU and Pitt already announced they would like to see the ACC have their tournament at the Garden (this came out with the announcement of their moves). You can bet your bottom dollar it has already been discussed with the powers that be in the ACC. It will be a quid pro quo for their move. Every other year their fans will just come to NY - didnt West Va always have big crowds here? I admire your positive thinking but the ACC has pulled the rug from under us and the rest of the BE. They wanted to be the #1 basketball league and they did it even if they had to poach a quarter of the BE to do it. 

 

Of course they'd "like" to see the Acc tourny at MSG. They have virtually no fan base in Greensboro. Otoh, aside from nc and puke, the acc has no fan base in nyc. How many of those acc blue-bloods do you think are going to be happy about coming up here for their tournament?

 

I would think Maryland has a fan base here and if West Va could draw in NY so can VT, add them to Duke and UNC and the natural fan base for Pitt and Cuse and the Garden can make sense, especially if they want to stick the knife in the big east and turn it before they pull it out

VaTek has a NY fan base? Those inbred mountaineer fans travel because there's not much else to do, don't compare the two. So even at your most optimistic, there are six teams that have a "fan base" in NYC, I'll give you nd which you forgot. We've got eight teams along the east coast that are, at most, a five hour drive. 

 

[Class of 72]

 Sorry class of 72 but SU and Pitt already announced they would like to see the ACC have their tournament at the Garden (this came out with the announcement of their moves). You can bet your bottom dollar it has already been discussed with the powers that be in the ACC. It will be a quid pro quo for their move. Every other year their fans will just come to NY - didnt West Va always have big crowds here? I admire your positive thinking but the ACC has pulled the rug from under us and the rest of the BE. They wanted to be the #1 basketball league and they did it even if they had to poach a quarter of the BE to do it. 

 

Of course they'd "like" to see the Acc tourny at MSG. They have virtually no fan base in Greensboro. Otoh, aside from nc and puke, the acc has no fan base in nyc. How many of those acc blue-bloods do you think are going to be happy about coming up here for their tournament?

 

I would think Maryland has a fan base here and if West Va could draw in NY so can VT, add them to Duke and UNC and the natural fan base for Pitt and Cuse and the Garden can make sense, especially if they want to stick the knife in the big east and turn it before they pull it out

 

You keep playing your ACC violin but to get the ACC tournament venues have to apply. The next round of available years are 2016-2020. I hear Pittsburgh made a very strong pitch. Charlotte, Greensboro, Atlanta made requests for "multiple years" in that period.
So, Mrs. Dee, out of the years 2016-2020, what years did MSG put bids in for? AND, if they did, the Big East Tourney would move to multiple sites like the ACC and I love Orlando in the Springtime.

 

[sju85uva86]

 This just in ?

No MSG bid for future ACC tourneys
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN



Despite six schools leaving the Big East for the ACC, the Big East will not lose Madison Square Garden, the home of its men's basketball tournament, to the ACC anytime soon.

The deadline to bid for the 2016-21 ACC's men's basketball tournaments has passed, and Madison Square Garden did not submit a bid, sources told ESPN. The 2013-15 ACC men's basketball tournaments will be held in Greensboro, N.C.

A decision for where the 2016-21 ACC tournaments will be held will be made in the coming months. The Barclays Center in Brooklyn also did not submit a bid.

Big East and Madison Square Garden officials also are continuing discussions about extending the Big East's current deal with the Garden, sources told ESPN. The Big East's current deal with MSG runs through 2016. The length of the extension being discussed is 10 years, which would lock up the Garden through 2026, the New York Post reported.

Since 1983, Madison Square Garden has hosted the Big East men's tournament. However, when Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced last year that they were leaving the Big East, ACC commissioner John Swofford discussed the possibility of the ACC playing its basketball tournament in the Garden.

"I don't think there's any question that taking a look at New York and Madison Square Garden would be very appealing for Atlantic Coast Conference basketball fans," Swofford said last year. "And even more so now with even more teams in closer proximity. With that being the media center of the world, so to speak, we'd probably be remiss if we didn't think of it in those terms."

In the past nine years, six schools have left the Big East for the ACC or given notice that they were leaving for the ACC: Virginia Tech, Boston College, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

 

[Class of 72]

 This just in ?

No MSG bid for future ACC tourneys
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN



Despite six schools leaving the Big East for the ACC, the Big East will not lose Madison Square Garden, the home of its men's basketball tournament, to the ACC anytime soon.

The deadline to bid for the 2016-21 ACC's men's basketball tournaments has passed, and Madison Square Garden did not submit a bid, sources told ESPN. The 2013-15 ACC men's basketball tournaments will be held in Greensboro, N.C.

A decision for where the 2016-21 ACC tournaments will be held will be made in the coming months. The Barclays Center in Brooklyn also did not submit a bid.

Big East and Madison Square Garden officials also are continuing discussions about extending the Big East's current deal with the Garden, sources told ESPN. The Big East's current deal with MSG runs through 2016. The length of the extension being discussed is 10 years, which would lock up the Garden through 2026, the New York Post reported.

Since 1983, Madison Square Garden has hosted the Big East men's tournament. However, when Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced last year that they were leaving the Big East, ACC commissioner John Swofford discussed the possibility of the ACC playing its basketball tournament in the Garden.

"I don't think there's any question that taking a look at New York and Madison Square Garden would be very appealing for Atlantic Coast Conference basketball fans," Swofford said last year. "And even more so now with even more teams in closer proximity. With that being the media center of the world, so to speak, we'd probably be remiss if we didn't think of it in those terms."

In the past nine years, six schools have left the Big East for the ACC or given notice that they were leaving for the ACC: Virginia Tech, Boston College, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

 

DEE,
I hope this answers your question! LOL!
No ACC Tourney in NYC!
Barclays and MSG did not even bother to submit bids!

Beware the new BB powers to arrive in the Big East in 2014-----Memphis (just signed Kuran Iverson), Temple and Houston to go along with future Final Four St. John's, Uconn, Louisville, Cincy, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, PC, etc.
Top to bottom, the Big East will be the top BB conference, hands down. WVU who! Pitt who? Syracuse, the future #2 team in New York?

 

[dee]

 This just in ?

No MSG bid for future ACC tourneys
By Brett McMurphy | ESPN



Despite six schools leaving the Big East for the ACC, the Big East will not lose Madison Square Garden, the home of its men's basketball tournament, to the ACC anytime soon.

The deadline to bid for the 2016-21 ACC's men's basketball tournaments has passed, and Madison Square Garden did not submit a bid, sources told ESPN. The 2013-15 ACC men's basketball tournaments will be held in Greensboro, N.C.

A decision for where the 2016-21 ACC tournaments will be held will be made in the coming months. The Barclays Center in Brooklyn also did not submit a bid.

Big East and Madison Square Garden officials also are continuing discussions about extending the Big East's current deal with the Garden, sources told ESPN. The Big East's current deal with MSG runs through 2016. The length of the extension being discussed is 10 years, which would lock up the Garden through 2026, the New York Post reported.

Since 1983, Madison Square Garden has hosted the Big East men's tournament. However, when Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced last year that they were leaving the Big East, ACC commissioner John Swofford discussed the possibility of the ACC playing its basketball tournament in the Garden.

"I don't think there's any question that taking a look at New York and Madison Square Garden would be very appealing for Atlantic Coast Conference basketball fans," Swofford said last year. "And even more so now with even more teams in closer proximity. With that being the media center of the world, so to speak, we'd probably be remiss if we didn't think of it in those terms."

In the past nine years, six schools have left the Big East for the ACC or given notice that they were leaving for the ACC: Virginia Tech, Boston College, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame.

 

DEE,
I hope this answers your question! LOL!
No ACC Tourney in NYC!
Barclays and MSG did not even bother to submit bids!

Beware the new BB powers to arrive in the Big East in 2014-----Memphis (just signed Kuran Iverson), Temple and Houston to go along with future Final Four St. John's, Uconn, Louisville, Cincy, Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, PC, etc.
Top to bottom, the Big East will be the top BB conference, hands down. WVU who! Pitt who? Syracuse, the future #2 team in New York?

 

Believe me I hope you are right