We all have our gripes and disappointments regarding the defections from the BE. Almost all if not all due to the football dollar. But now that the dust is settling will the Garden become the ACC tournament site at least every other year? Dolan is no different than the Presidents of Pitt, ND and SU. He wants his arena full and the teams the ACC has will be able to fill the arena and have a track record in doing so. What will the BE be able to do? Will Temple, Memphis or even Seton Hll and Rutgers be the big draws along with St Johns? I dont see it and I see Dolan pushing us out of the Garden to make way for the ACC. I predict the BE or whatever you want to call it or whatever is left of it will find its way to the Barclay Center in Brooklyn but that is not the same as Manhattan and the BE will never be the same. The BE is the "new Atlantic 10" if you would. May the memories rest in peace.
IS THE GARDEN ACC TERRITORY?
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Here's some simple math. If Dolan kicks the BE tournament out of the garden then St johns will follow. They may gain the ACC tournament (which will sell as many tickets and nettle Dolans as much as the BE tournament) but lose the 8 or so St Johns dates every year and one of their "home teams". The dollars and cents actually seem to fall in our favor for once! Any way you slice it it's in the Dolan's best interest to stay with whichever side St Johns is on IMO.
Class of 72
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Your post just gave 50,000 folks in the Carolinas coronaries! So just because Syracuse is joining the ACC, the Garden becomes home to their tourney every other year? Anything is possible with Dolan as I think he is a true a hole as his relationship with a POS former Knick coach shows but the ACC tourney is pretty much tied up for the next five years and God only knows if the ACC's version of the Big East will be as successful as the original Big East was in Manhattan USA.
Remember-------the original BE tourney involved 8 teams that were driving distance to MSG. The ACC has 8 teams in driving distance to Atlanta or Charlotte. The brain trust of the ACC is and always will be Carolina based.
BTW, the Big East has sold out every tournament since moving to MSG. If no one else defects, and even if one or two, at the most leave, what makes you Mr. Predictor, think schools like St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Temple, Uconn, Memphis and Marquette cannot sell out the Garden even if the Texas and Florida schools never sell one friggin ticket?
Get a grip Dee!!!!
Sorry class of 72 but SU and Pitt already announced they would like to see the ACC have their tournament at the Garden (this came out with the announcement of their moves). You can bet your bottom dollar it has already been discussed with the powers that be in the ACC. It will be a quid pro quo for their move. Every other year their fans will just come to NY - didnt West Va always have big crowds here? I admire your positive thinking but the ACC has pulled the rug from under us and the rest of the BE. They wanted to be the #1 basketball league and they did it even if they had to poach a quarter of the BE to do it.
Dee, I will agree they pulled the rug out from under us IF they aren't finished raiding us. If we don't lose anyone else, we are still a great basketball conference. G'Town, L'Ville, Nova, SJ, SH, Prov, USF, Cincy, UConn, Marquette, Memphis, Temple, etc.
I hear so many people calling it "C-USA" now which is total and utter BS. C-USA usually had ONE legit team and that team (Memphis) is with us now. Assuming the raiding is over, the Big East is still at worst every bit as talented as the ACC and at most even better than the ACC. Think about it...top to bottom the Big East is pretty stacked. Only DePaul has truly been a pushover. All the other teams can go out and slay giants any given day. The ACC has 3 studs in Cuse, Duke, UNC, but there is a major dropoff after them. VT, Virginia, GT, Miami, WF, Maryland, Boston College, etc. don't really scare me.
I hear so many people calling it "C-USA" now which is total and utter BS. C-USA usually had ONE legit team and that team (Memphis) is with us now. Assuming the raiding is over, the Big East is still at worst every bit as talented as the ACC and at most even better than the ACC. Think about it...top to bottom the Big East is pretty stacked. Only DePaul has truly been a pushover. All the other teams can go out and slay giants any given day. The ACC has 3 studs in Cuse, Duke, UNC, but there is a major dropoff after them. VT, Virginia, GT, Miami, WF, Maryland, Boston College, etc. don't really scare me.
Class of 72
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Sorry to burst your pro-ACC bubble Mrs. Dee but unless you missed the ACC news bulletin, a city by the name of Greensboro has the ACC basketball tourney locked through 2015.
By 2016, a guy named Repole could own Madison Square Garden or so guy named Trump....who cares right now?
BTW, even after BC joined, no ACC tourney has ever been played north of Washington DC (I assume that is the driving limits of older Carolinians).
For your ACC reading pleasure please note the "southern" history of the conference championship. Will the southern landowners throw the boys from up north a bone or two in the next 15 years? Maybe. But the Big East guarantees MSG and Dolan a sold out tourney (in $$) every year......EVERY YEAR! Not just....maybe in 2018 or 2020 or some other odd year the ACC does not have it in Charlotte or Altanta or some other southern arena.
Sure, Jim Dolan will throw the Big East under the bus so he can have the ACC tournament once every 6 years.
The man is effen crazy but not that crazy! And BTW, Pitt wants the ACC in Pittsburgh not NYC.
Teel Time: Pittsburgh bids to host ACC basketball tournament
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By David Teel
12:19 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2012
PITTSBURGH—
Approaching its 60th edition, the ACC basketball tournament has never been staged north of Landover, Md. But with a future alignment that includes Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Notre Dame, plus current member Boston College, might that change?
Bids for the 2016-21 tournaments closed last month, and at least one Northeast venue wants in: Pittsburgh.
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Pitt athletic director Steve Pederson and basketball coach Jamie Dixon told me the city’s Consol Energy Center submitted a bid. Home to the NHL’s Penguins, the arena opened in 2010 and last season hosted second- and third-round NCAA basketball tournament games. College hockey’s championship weekend, the Frozen Four, is scheduled at Consol for 2013.
“We’d sure love to have it here,” Pederson said. “Pittsburgh’s proven it can do great things. The NCAA tournament sold out here in a short period of time. The city gets behind it. One of the things that’s great is you can stay downtown and walk to the games. … And thanks in large part to what Jamie’s done, people here are enthusiastic.”
Dixon has coached the Panthers to eight NCAA tournaments in nine seasons. He knows prying the ACC's signature event from its traditional base will be difficult, but hey, the league took the tournament to Tampa, Fla., in 2007, so why not the Northeast?
Pittsburgh’s competition will include southern staples such as Greensboro, N.C., Charlotte, N.C., and Atlanta. The event is booked for Greensboro, home to the conference office, for the next three years.
ACC officials declined to identify other bidding cities. They will discuss the options at next month's fall meeting in Boston.
jerseyshorejohnny
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As it pertains to the world's most famous arena, the time has come to put up or shut up for our fans.
There is no reason now why AT LEAST 16,000 fans (mostly those wearing red and white) show up for all Big East games at MSG.
The Norm era is over.
There are NO excuses about the quality of the product on the hardwood or the coaches on the bench.
If we want to send to send a message to those in The ACC , or anyone else for that matter, it's time for our alumni base and student population to support Coach Lavin and his team.
There is no reason now why AT LEAST 16,000 fans (mostly those wearing red and white) show up for all Big East games at MSG.
The Norm era is over.
There are NO excuses about the quality of the product on the hardwood or the coaches on the bench.
If we want to send to send a message to those in The ACC , or anyone else for that matter, it's time for our alumni base and student population to support Coach Lavin and his team.
Yes I agree that if the st johns community helps to fill the Garden that could end the discussion of the ACC invasion. But I am just looking at reality. I certainly am not an ACC fan, quite to the contrary. Just looking at reality. And as to any contract, well contracts can be re-written and re-negotiated. Just like the so called 27 month ban that the BE had which was circumvented with a few extra dollars. The ACC could negotiate with the arenas down south giving them the tournament in some future years for some concessions to allow them to play up in NY. Believe me not only SU and Pitt would like that but so would the Dukies and Tar Heels- and it wont hurt recruiting. Plus their fans will come to NY.. Plus it is another way for them to put a stake into the hearts of the BE and show the Country they are the premier basketball league. You have to concede that the ACC has been upset over losing that title to the BE and it is one reason they are poaching us.
JB and 'Cuse love the Garden as does Pitt loaded with their Bklyn and NY area players--don't be surprised if they push the ACC HARD to try to get the Tourny here at some point in time, I'd be shocked if they didn't; even ND will push for it with their Subway alumni!
JSJ, you are totally right, every SJU fan within reasonable distance MUST get out to the MSG games to send a message to the Garden execs and everyone else.
WE ARE. ST. JOHNS!
JSJ, you are totally right, every SJU fan within reasonable distance MUST get out to the MSG games to send a message to the Garden execs and everyone else.
WE ARE. ST. JOHNS!
jrhoops1949
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Pitt should have just about as much power in the ACC as Boston College. Has the ACC ever taken care of long time member Maryland, and played the games in their backyard? Is the ACC tourny ever in Fla? Lets look forward to the day when Pitt and the Cuse bring the ACC power ranking down. We still got good teams in good markets, so I don't get the "this is the end" talk. Now, if the league can't get any kind of ok TV deal, I figure that would be a major concern.
Class of 72
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If you think the ACC will break its contract with Greensboro and the Carolina mafia you are delusional! Has MSG even put in a bid? IF----IF they have at the expense of the Big East then Brooklyn will always be there.....or Memphis.....or Orlando, etc.
I have always wanted SJ to build a 10,000 seat on campus arena like a real basketball power and play only big arena for truly national power games similar to Uconn.
Time will tell. The ACC reviews the bids next month and I think Pittsburgh gets the ACC tourney for 1 year between 2016 and 2020. Southern arenas will get at least 3 of those years. If Dolan wants to screw the Big East for ONE ACC tourney in the next 8 years, he is effen crazier than I think he is.
jerseyshorejohnny
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I had lunch with 3 fellows who played for Coach Lapchick this past week and they said that when they were building Alumni Hall they hoped it wouldn't be finished until they graduated. For the record, it was completed after they graduated.
They played 40 games, at The Garden, in their 3 year career (in those days freshman couldn't play on the varsity), including N.I.T. and Holiday Festival games.
They loved playing in MSG and had no interest in playing at Alumni.
They played 40 games, at The Garden, in their 3 year career (in those days freshman couldn't play on the varsity), including N.I.T. and Holiday Festival games.
They loved playing in MSG and had no interest in playing at Alumni.
I completely agree with you Dee. ESPN pulled the strings for the seperation of these teams and they are now speculating that the ACC will take over MSG in March. Im sure to a sweetend TV deal for that too. I also would not be supprised if ESPN demotes the BE tournament to ESPNU or ESPN3.
jerseyshorejohnny
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What wouldn't surprise me is to see Syracuse, Pitt, and ND have 1 ACC regular season "home" game at MSG every year.