Is it time to give up MSG as our "home court?"

[illwill30]

no reason to give it up...win games or become a winner and people will come. a good example would be last year. lets be patient. we have 5frosh and no depth....the wins will come and so will the crowds.

 


Dumb thread. If St johns does not play at the garden, it loses its whole metropolitan identity and its new york mojo.

 

I never said to stop playing at the garden...maybe you should learn to read before commenting.

Nobody outside the SJU community associates st. john's with MSG and vice versa. MSG is the home of the knicks and rangers...not st. john's, unfortunately.

 

Dude, the name of this thread is giving up MSG as our home court. Meaning stop playing at the garden. Unless you think that playing in the "holiday classic" once a year will constitute "playing at the garden. I can read just fine thanks.

 


I clearly state in the OP that I think we still should play games at the garden...specifically against the "bigger named" Big East teams. I guess you missed that...

 

[illwill30]

I thinks it a fair question. Sure, MSG is a selling point, but how much so when its empty or filled with opposing teams' fans? I've taken friends to games over the years and always have to paint them the picture of the crowd when we were competitive (for my time, this was our elite 8 run and year after). How the place was jumping and how it was us down in the lower sections and the uconn/cuse fans in the upper half, going back and forth with chants. But even in these times, the best i can remember the crowd was 60ish/40ish us. How is that having a home court advantage? It has to be awesome to play in MSG, but after a while, wouldn't you just want the whole crowd to be behind you? I went to a Knicks game the other day and the place was rocking, and i thought, this is what our home crowd should be like here. Its hard to follow up that type of atmosphere with attending a st. john's game. There's no life in the crowd by comparison.

 

At least you're mature enough to offer a well-thought out response so I thank you.


I don't think MSG is as big of a selling point as people make it out to be. If YOU were a recruit, would you rather play at MSG in front of 8,000 people or in a packed on campus arena that's buzzing.

Games against the cuse, uconn, georgetown, etc. (big named schools) should still be played at the garden but these games against cincy, wvu, and even ND (their fans don't travel THAT well for hoops) should be played at carnesseca.

And with teams like Houston, SMU, etc. coming into the Big East, are we really going to schedule those at the Garden?

 

[oldfan61]

When StJ starts to win the Garden everything will fall naturally in place. Except for the past dozen years we outdrew all visiting teams and the most audible cheering against us was from the bookies and gamblers toward the end of the game, depending on the spread. 

I've been going to the Garden for 6 decades to watch StJ exclusively. When we go on a roll, and we will, the fans, supporters, and even students will peel the paint off the walls with noise. NY knows what's good and they are incomparable in showing their support when we give them a product.
Did this guy miss the games in the Garden in the last half of last year?
Perhaps the next post should be, "Should the Mets move out of Citi Field and play at Coney Island until they start winning again".

 

[illwill30]

 The OP and a few others on here are the reason why NY sports fans are some of the worst in the country. The easiest job in the world is an armchair GM. Monday morning quarterback. No one is ever able to actually take a situation for what it really is, and actually analyze it. If a player goes through a slump, he sucks. He doesn't try hard. He's not as good as we thought. A team has a few bad games and the coach sucks. Everyone sucks. Fire everyone.

After Eli Mannings first 3 years, Giants fans were ready to get rid of him. He was a bust. Should've kept Rivers. Now Giants fans are debating whether or not hes a HOFer. Six weeks ago most Giants fans said the season was over and wanted the entire coaching staff gone. Not too many feel that way now, huh?

Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously. It's fans like you that make the rest of the country hate NYers. And frankly, it's fans like you who don't deserve a winning team. 

 

Oh Jesus, coudl you be anymore ignorant? Every fanbase has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and plays Monday Morning QB. Are you really that insane to think this is only prevelant amongst New Yorkers?

Lavin did a great job last season...FANTASTIC job. But this year we are left with 6 recruits....6 RECRUITS. I don't care how daunting the task was, the coaching staff has not done a great job this season. I can't take people like YOU seriously who always fail to take the blinders off even when we're coming off back-to-back blowouts on our "home court" and after ANOTHER player has left the team.

We've had two kids ineligble, two recruits decommitt, and three players transfer. Just because the task at hand was difficult doesn't mean we should be happy with average results.

 

[illwill30]

 How big of a part do you think it plays in recruiting? With more and more teams playing multiple games at the garden, can we really say it's pivotal to keep it part of our "package?"

Watching this cincy game, and the wvu game (altho we won) last week, it's painful to see such a doom and gloom atmosphere for a "home" game. I think we would be better off playing most of our big east home games at carnesecca and try to create some semblance of a home court advantage.

We could still play the "bigger" named teams at the Garden, you know...those teams that draw their own fans to MSG so we don't have to do all the work and come up small.

 

Yeah, let's give up MSG now in the only down year we might face over the next decade. Put your spoon down, get off the ledge, and realize this are freaking FRESHMAN. What is wrong with you? If you can't see the talent these kids have oozing out of them, if you can't see what these kids will become, then you don't know basketball.

 

Another poster who failed to read...bravo. Maybe you should give up messageboards and posting cause the rays being reflected from your comp have lead to blindness.

The kids have talent...how much talent is still to be determined. It's not good to say they are oozing with talent after watching them get stomped out by Cincy.

 

[illwill30]

When StJ starts to win the Garden everything will fall naturally in place. Except for the past dozen years we outdrew all visiting teams and the most audible cheering against us was from the bookies and gamblers toward the end of the game, depending on the spread. 

I've been going to the Garden for 6 decades to watch StJ exclusively. When we go on a roll, and we will, the fans, supporters, and even students will peel the paint off the walls with noise. NY knows what's good and they are incomparable in showing their support when we give them a product.
Did this guy miss the games in the Garden in the last half of last year?
Perhaps the next post should be, "Should the Mets move out of Citi Field and play at Coney Island until they start winning again".

 

Even when we were winning last season we still only packed the place for Duke (60% of the crowd were dukies) and Pitt.

Your last statement is just pure foolishness. The Mets own Citi Field...literally own it. St. John's is a tenant of MSG.

 

[beast of the east]

Fact #1: CA seats less than 7000

Fact #2: Coutesty of MCNPA, we are averaging over 12,000 in attendance.

Fact #3: As long as its profitable to be at MSG, we will be there.

 

[jhansonbro17]

 The OP and a few others on here are the reason why NY sports fans are some of the worst in the country. The easiest job in the world is an armchair GM. Monday morning quarterback. No one is ever able to actually take a situation for what it really is, and actually analyze it. If a player goes through a slump, he sucks. He doesn't try hard. He's not as good as we thought. A team has a few bad games and the coach sucks. Everyone sucks. Fire everyone.

After Eli Mannings first 3 years, Giants fans were ready to get rid of him. He was a bust. Should've kept Rivers. Now Giants fans are debating whether or not hes a HOFer. Six weeks ago most Giants fans said the season was over and wanted the entire coaching staff gone. Not too many feel that way now, huh?

Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously. It's fans like you that make the rest of the country hate NYers. And frankly, it's fans like you who don't deserve a winning team. 

 

Oh Jesus, coudl you be anymore ignorant? Every fanbase has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and plays Monday Morning QB. Are you really that insane to think this is only prevelant amongst New Yorkers?

Lavin did a great job last season...FANTASTIC job. But this year we are left with 6 recruits....6 RECRUITS. I don't care how daunting the task was, the coaching staff has not done a great job this season. I can't take people like YOU seriously who always fail to take the blinders off even when we're coming off back-to-back blowouts on our "home court" and after ANOTHER player has left the team.

We've had two kids ineligble, two recruits decommitt, and three players transfer. Just because the task at hand was difficult doesn't mean we should be happy with average results.

 

Ah yes, the "take off the blinders" comment that goes hand in hand with the "realist" comment every time.

The fact that you're basically admitting to being a "what have you done for me lately" fan tells me all I need to know. No need to further the discussion with an ignorant moron like you. Just do me a favor and stay away from these boards when we win. Just like you do now.

 

[beast of the east]

 The OP and a few others on here are the reason why NY sports fans are some of the worst in the country. The easiest job in the world is an armchair GM. Monday morning quarterback. No one is ever able to actually take a situation for what it really is, and actually analyze it. If a player goes through a slump, he sucks. He doesn't try hard. He's not as good as we thought. A team has a few bad games and the coach sucks. Everyone sucks. Fire everyone.

After Eli Mannings first 3 years, Giants fans were ready to get rid of him. He was a bust. Should've kept Rivers. Now Giants fans are debating whether or not hes a HOFer. Six weeks ago most Giants fans said the season was over and wanted the entire coaching staff gone. Not too many feel that way now, huh?

Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously. It's fans like you that make the rest of the country hate NYers. And frankly, it's fans like you who don't deserve a winning team. 

 

Oh Jesus, coudl you be anymore ignorant? Every fanbase has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and plays Monday Morning QB. Are you really that insane to think this is only prevelant amongst New Yorkers?

Lavin did a great job last season...FANTASTIC job. But this year we are left with 6 recruits....6 RECRUITS. I don't care how daunting the task was, the coaching staff has not done a great job this season. I can't take people like YOU seriously who always fail to take the blinders off even when we're coming off back-to-back blowouts on our "home court" and after ANOTHER player has left the team.

We've had two kids ineligble, two recruits decommitt, and three players transfer. Just because the task at hand was difficult doesn't mean we should be happy with average results.

 

Ah yes, the "take off the blinders" comment that goes hand in hand with the "realist" comment every time.

The fact that you're basically admitting to being a "what have you done for me lately" fan tells me all I need to know. No need to further the discussion with an ignorant moron like you. Just do me a favor and stay away from these boards when we win. Just like you do now.

 

Right now, I would say our team is going through their roughest patch of the year. For this partcular team to win against decent competition, everything has to go right - at least three guys have to have good shooting nights, everyone stays out of foul trouble, no one gets injured, and they all play defense. An elite team is going to gang up on Harkless and Harrison, and let other guys beat them, and we have almost no chance to win, but can play competitive basketball IF we stay out of foul troulbe and play well. Most sports fans are emotionally unstable - if we reel off 3 BE wins in a row, everyone will start saying we could go deep into the BET. Right now we've played poorly in 2 games, and the grind of the Big East season is taking its toll. What else could we possibly expect out of a 6 man rotation of 1st year players?

 

[LJSA]

Right now we've played poorly in 2 games, and the grind of the Big East season is taking its toll. What else could we possibly expect out of a 6 man rotation of 1st year players?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

 

[illwill30]

 The OP and a few others on here are the reason why NY sports fans are some of the worst in the country. The easiest job in the world is an armchair GM. Monday morning quarterback. No one is ever able to actually take a situation for what it really is, and actually analyze it. If a player goes through a slump, he sucks. He doesn't try hard. He's not as good as we thought. A team has a few bad games and the coach sucks. Everyone sucks. Fire everyone.

After Eli Mannings first 3 years, Giants fans were ready to get rid of him. He was a bust. Should've kept Rivers. Now Giants fans are debating whether or not hes a HOFer. Six weeks ago most Giants fans said the season was over and wanted the entire coaching staff gone. Not too many feel that way now, huh?

Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously. It's fans like you that make the rest of the country hate NYers. And frankly, it's fans like you who don't deserve a winning team. 

 

Oh Jesus, coudl you be anymore ignorant? Every fanbase has a "what have you done for me lately" attitude and plays Monday Morning QB. Are you really that insane to think this is only prevelant amongst New Yorkers?

Lavin did a great job last season...FANTASTIC job. But this year we are left with 6 recruits....6 RECRUITS. I don't care how daunting the task was, the coaching staff has not done a great job this season. I can't take people like YOU seriously who always fail to take the blinders off even when we're coming off back-to-back blowouts on our "home court" and after ANOTHER player has left the team.

We've had two kids ineligble, two recruits decommitt, and three players transfer. Just because the task at hand was difficult doesn't mean we should be happy with average results.

 

Ah yes, the "take off the blinders" comment that goes hand in hand with the "realist" comment every time.

The fact that you're basically admitting to being a "what have you done for me lately" fan tells me all I need to know. No need to further the discussion with an ignorant moron like you. Just do me a favor and stay away from these boards when we win. Just like you do now.

 

Ahh, you calling me a moron after you explained how new yorkers are the ONLY ones that play monday morning QB...how fitting. This is not a thought or opinion i just had yesterday...i've always thought (at least the last 3-5 years) that the lure of MSG has been declining and we should play the majority of our big east games at carnesecca.

I never stay away from these boards when we win. You're just making stuff up at this point because you can't even debate a simple topic without coming off as a complete ignoramous.