Is it time to give up MSG as our "home court?"

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illwill30

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 How big of a part do you think it plays in recruiting? With more and more teams playing multiple games at the garden, can we really say it's pivotal to keep it part of our "package?"

Watching this cincy game, and the wvu game (altho we won) last week, it's painful to see such a doom and gloom atmosphere for a "home" game. I think we would be better off playing most of our big east home games at carnesecca and try to create some semblance of a home court advantage.

We could still play the "bigger" named teams at the Garden, you know...those teams that draw their own fans to MSG so we don't have to do all the work and come up small.
 
 It may have been ten years ago. Certainly not now.
This is the beginning of an evolution back to reclaiming it.
Let's give the staff at least four years before we surrender too and concede one selling point.
 
 Why stop there

We should disband the team like Harrington wanted to do a few yrs ago
 
The garden will always be a plus in our recruiting. We are suppose to throw up our hands and surrender after a couple of poor games. Even though we should be drawing much better,our time will come, perhaps then the non supporters will show up. 
 
no reason to give it up...win games or become a winner and people will come. a good example would be last year. lets be patient. we have 5frosh and no depth....the wins will come and so will the crowds.
 
no reason to give it up...win games or become a winner and people will come. a good example would be last year. lets be patient. we have 5frosh and no depth....the wins will come and so will the crowds.
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Dumb thread. If St johns does not play at the garden, it loses its whole metropolitan identity and its new york mojo.
 
Look at the original poster's other stuff. He started the thread just to try to piss people off. He's a tool who should be ignored.
 
Look at the original poster's other stuff. He started the thread just to try to piss people off. He's a tool who should be ignored.
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Bingo! An instigator whose presence is to attempt to rile the natives.
 
Look at the original poster's other stuff. He started the thread just to try to piss people off. He's a tool who should be ignored.
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typical response from a low life like yourself. I didn't start this thread to piss anyone off, but apparently it worked to piss u off so ill take slight satisfaction in that..

It's a legitimate question considering we don't draw at the garden. Even last season we only had packed houses against the big named teams.

A game like tonight should be played at carnesecca.
 
Look at the original poster's other stuff. He started the thread just to try to piss people off. He's a tool who should be ignored.
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Bingo! An instigator whose presence is to attempt to rile the natives.
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I paint the picture that nobody wants to see. While you make a joke of yourself claiming everything will be ok, the realists here realize this team is regressing and our fan base is an embarassment in terms of supporting the team.
 
no reason to give it up...win games or become a winner and people will come. a good example would be last year. lets be patient. we have 5frosh and no depth....the wins will come and so will the crowds.
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Dumb thread. If St johns does not play at the garden, it loses its whole metropolitan identity and its new york mojo.
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I never said to stop playing at the garden...maybe you should learn to read before commenting.

Nobody outside the SJU community associates st. john's with MSG and vice versa. MSG is the home of the knicks and rangers...not st. john's, unfortunately.
 
Look at the original poster's other stuff. He started the thread just to try to piss people off. He's a tool who should be ignored.
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Bingo! An instigator whose presence is to attempt to rile the natives.
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I paint the picture that nobody wants to see. While you make a joke of yourself claiming everything will be ok, the realists here realize this team is regressing and our fan base is an embarassment in terms of supporting the team.
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You're regurgitating some things that many of us do see. Some of us do not repeat it because it's been said ad nauseum. So, some of us choose to not harp on it. On the flip side, you start to "paint" absolutes when in theory it's nothing more than your opinion. I keep telling you that I've been around people like you. The person might be different, but the personality trait is the same.

The negativity is, more times than not, an opinion, but it's generally passed off as being a "realist." Different person repeating it, but same result. 
 
no reason to give it up...win games or become a winner and people will come. a good example would be last year. lets be patient. we have 5frosh and no depth....the wins will come and so will the crowds.
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Dumb thread. If St johns does not play at the garden, it loses its whole metropolitan identity and its new york mojo.
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I never said to stop playing at the garden...maybe you should learn to read before commenting.

Nobody outside the SJU community associates st. john's with MSG and vice versa. MSG is the home of the knicks and rangers...not st. john's, unfortunately.
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Dude, the name of this thread is giving up MSG as our home court. Meaning stop playing at the garden. Unless you think that playing in the "holiday classic" once a year will constitute "playing at the garden. I can read just fine thanks.
 
I thinks it a fair question. Sure, MSG is a selling point, but how much so when its empty or filled with opposing teams' fans? I've taken friends to games over the years and always have to paint them the picture of the crowd when we were competitive (for my time, this was our elite 8 run and year after). How the place was jumping and how it was us down in the lower sections and the uconn/cuse fans in the upper half, going back and forth with chants. But even in these times, the best i can remember the crowd was 60ish/40ish us. How is that having a home court advantage? It has to be awesome to play in MSG, but after a while, wouldn't you just want the whole crowd to be behind you? I went to a Knicks game the other day and the place was rocking, and i thought, this is what our home crowd should be like here. Its hard to follow up that type of atmosphere with attending a st. john's game. There's no life in the crowd by comparison.
 
 The OP and a few others on here are the reason why NY sports fans are some of the worst in the country. The easiest job in the world is an armchair GM. Monday morning quarterback. No one is ever able to actually take a situation for what it really is, and actually analyze it. If a player goes through a slump, he sucks. He doesn't try hard. He's not as good as we thought. A team has a few bad games and the coach sucks. Everyone sucks. Fire everyone.

After Eli Mannings first 3 years, Giants fans were ready to get rid of him. He was a bust. Should've kept Rivers. Now Giants fans are debating whether or not hes a HOFer. Six weeks ago most Giants fans said the season was over and wanted the entire coaching staff gone. Not too many feel that way now, huh?

Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously. It's fans like you that make the rest of the country hate NYers. And frankly, it's fans like you who don't deserve a winning team. 
 
 How big of a part do you think it plays in recruiting? With more and more teams playing multiple games at the garden, can we really say it's pivotal to keep it part of our "package?"

Watching this cincy game, and the wvu game (altho we won) last week, it's painful to see such a doom and gloom atmosphere for a "home" game. I think we would be better off playing most of our big east home games at carnesecca and try to create some semblance of a home court advantage.

We could still play the "bigger" named teams at the Garden, you know...those teams that draw their own fans to MSG so we don't have to do all the work and come up small.
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Yeah, let's give up MSG now in the only down year we might face over the next decade. Put your spoon down, get off the ledge, and realize this are freaking FRESHMAN. What is wrong with you? If you can't see the talent these kids have oozing out of them, if you can't see what these kids will become, then you don't know basketball.
 
Even when our program was rocking during the 80's-90's, the best we ever got was a 60-40% pro St. John's crowd. In most cases it was 50-50 with the visiting team's fans-particularly the Cuse and UCONN fans-being more vocal then our fans. Is there any reason to believe that when(not if) we return to prominance that our fans will take over the garden both in numbers and in vocal support? Would things be any differant if we moved our bigger games to Brooklyn? Just asking the question.
 
Last year, Steve Lavin was coach of the year and we were thinking about the day he makes Looie's "526" banner irrelevant. He got a team that never accomplished a damn thing in their college careers as high as a top 15 team in the nation. He got the #2 recruiting class in the nation. He began turning the program from mom-and-pop to an actual big time college program. He did this with cancer. He did this in under 12 months on the job. Now, we're doubting coach Lavin. We're giving him medical advice, and coaching advice. We're telling him what he NEEDS to do.

Seriously, you bitching and moaning about this extremely unfortunate and unforeseen situation that this program was put into this year doesn't make you a "realist." It makes you an annoying troll, to put it very, very nicely.

I understand that this is a message board, and the whole point of a message board is to express one's opinions. But I can't take people like you seriously.
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Bam, Bam, Bam, Bam (hammer hitting the nail)! Rack it! 
 
Do we have a contract with MSG stipulating that we have to play a certain number of games there? Depending on the team we have it might not be such a bad idea to play a couple of more game at CA. Certainly last night's game is an example and WVU didn't draw much of a crowd either. Does anybody think SMU. UCF and Houston are going to draw crowds at MSG?

If we get the class we're anticipating maybe in two years we can bulk up our MSG sked, next year we might be better off scheduling a third or fourth BE game at CA.  
 
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