Is it just basketball

You are correct. Football and Baseball pull in the revenue to support other teams. This money not only supports schools it also supports NCAA championships for these other sports. There are some sports/school that are outliers and have some other sports bring in money. When and if football pulls out of the NCAA other sports are in trouble.
 
Alumni Hall said:
Just some thoughts on why SJU dollars don’t go as far as other Big East programs.
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Hey Alumni Hall

I was told a few years ago that StJ’s must guarantee MSG $600,000 for every game played at the Garden.

Does that sum seem about right to you ?

Thanks
 
SJU14 said:
I have no financial knowledge of our athletic dept but I would venture to say that all sports minus Men’s Basketball lose money. Travel costs, salaries and all other expenses add up very quick for most sports that have very minimal fandom outside of family/friends. And this isn’t something that just SJU deals with, this is 95% of schools and sports. That’s why football is so valuable to the big schools, they support their entire athletic dept.
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Bingo. Men's basketball pays for everything.

Division 1...football and Mens basketball pay for everything..in the Midwest, there is some revenue for baseball. That's it.
 
monte said:
At the end of the day, the school needs to decide which sports make money(basketball? baseball?) and which don't. The ones that don't should be club (or even intramural) teams. I imagine the cost of running a club team would have to be substantially less then running a non-club team. Still not quite sure why, between the TV revenue and the NIL, everyone is claiming that our basketball program can't compete financially with most of the Big East schools. We're not even talking about the big state schools. And since the Big East is one of the highest ranked basketball conferences, obviously our conference as a whole is competing with all the big state school conferences. It just doesn't make sense to me that we are always in dire financial straights. What am I missing??
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It’s all BS excuses used by many to justify the failure off the program.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
It’s all BS excuses used by many to justify the failure off the program.
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Not necessarily true. St. John's does not usually rank high in percentage of alumni who donate. And while there have been some major recent donations, including a $20 million dollar donation from an alumni couple, they have not been dedicated to athletics. Princeton is tops in percentage of alumni who donate at 55%. We are nowhere near that. Unfortunately.
 

Football​

The biggest revenue producer among college sports is no surprise: It’s football. College football brings in an average of $31.9 million per school per year, financial website Zacks.com reported. That’s an eye-popping number, but it’s even more impressive when you see that number is more than the next 35 college sports combined.

A large portion of that revenue comes from TV deals. ESPN’s deal to broadcast the College Football Playoff is worth roughly $470 million annually, and the Power 5 conference TV contracts each bring in at least $200 million a year, according to On3.com.

The top-revenue producing schools for football won’t surprise you, either. Texas tops the list at $144 million, followed by national champion Georgia ($134 million), Michigan ($126 million), Ohio State ($116 million) and Alabama ($110 million).

Basketball​

The No. 2 revenue-producing sport for college is basketball, which brings $8.1 million per school. The bulk of revenue for basketball comes from CBS Sports’ deal to broadcast the NCAA Tournament, which is worth $1.1 billion per year.

Louisville brought in $42 million to lead all schools in basketball revenue, followed by Duke ($37 million), Kentucky ($30 million), North Carolina ($27 million), and Indiana ($26 million).

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Hockey​

The No. 3 revenue-producing sport is men’s hockey, coming in at $2.5 million per school. No surprise, but the top schools in terms of hockey revenue are all in the north: Wisconsin leads the way at $6.2 million, followed by Minnesota-Duluth ($5.8 million), Providence ($5.6 million), Boston ($5.6 million) and Northeastern ($5.5 million).

Baseball​

Baseball is the fourth-highest sport, raking in $1.25 million per school. The bulk of that money comes from TV revenue, especially the College World Series on ESPN. Vanderbilt makes the most from baseball at $5.5 million, with Florida State ($4.9 million), TCU ($4.6 million), Miami ($4.5 million) and Arkansas ($3.9 million) rounding out the top five.

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Track & Field​

Track and field is the fifth-highest revenue producing sport, bringing in $1.17 million per institution. Baylor is the top revenue producer at $5 million. Second is Howard ($4.6 million), followed by Florida State ($4.5 million), Miami ($4.4 million) and Duke ($3.7 million).

Equestrian​

The sixth-highest revenue sport will probably surprise you: Equestrian. The sport brings in $886,000 per school, with SMU leading the way at $4.3 million. Fellow Texas schools TCU ($3.3 million) and Baylor ($2.9 million) are second and third, followed by Fresno State ($1.2 million) and Savannah College of Art and Design ($1.2 million).
 
One thing about the current rule changes is it makes one wonder where to best spend any money they want to donate. A donation to Storm Marketing seems more likely to benefit the Mens basketball program than giving the same money to Red/White. The rules changes give donors (especially smaller donors) more control over which sports the money is being used to support. Money to pay basketball players is pretty straightforward about what program benefits.
 
IDRAFT said:
One thing about the current rule changes is it makes one wonder where to best spend any money they want to donate. A donation to Storm Marketing seems more likely to benefit the Mens basketball program than giving the same money to Red/White. The rules changes give donors (especially smaller donors) more control over which sports the money is being used to support. Money to pay basketball players is pretty straightforward about what program benefits.
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How does one contribute to Storm Marketing? I wasn’t able to find anything on the St. John’s Athletics web site.
 
TonyinFairfield said:
Not necessarily true. St. John's does not usually rank high in percentage of alumni who donate. And while there have been some major recent donations, including a $20 million dollar donation from an alumni couple, they have not been dedicated to athletics. Princeton is tops in percentage of alumni who donate at 55%. We are nowhere near that. Unfortunately.
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And , isn’t that a shame with over 195,000 living Alumni.
 
TonyinFairfield said:
Not necessarily true. St. John's does not usually rank high in percentage of alumni who donate. And while there have been some major recent donations, including a $20 million dollar donation from an alumni couple, they have not been dedicated to athletics. Princeton is tops in percentage of alumni who donate at 55%. We are nowhere near that. Unfortunately.
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These numbers are not precise, but Alumni giving back at SJU I think is roughly 5%, while at a school like Holy Cross it is like 45%, which is considered very good.

WHY?


Lots of St. Johns' Alums are first timers for college in their families and work while going to school (like me), and many once they get their piece of paper, they forget about the university. Very sad but unfortunately true.

If we could get our # of Alumni giving back up to even 20-25%, with our large base, we'd be in much better shape. I think the school has been reaching out for quite some time and I don't think the # has improved very much. I wish it would and I am doing my part, but meet apathy when I bring up the subject with alum.
 
19854ever said:
Of the 5% of alumni that donate I wonder what the average annual gift is.
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It’s difficult to assess why St John’s Alums don’t contribute at a higher percentage . I wonder if the School ever researched why ? The vast majority of Alums were Commuter students . And , many worked while going to school . Hence , not a lot of hanging around Campus if you weren’t going to class or in the Library . Perhaps that affects donations ? I wonder what schools like Fordham , Hofstra , Rutgers alums donate ?
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
It’s difficult to assess why St John’s Alums don’t contribute at a higher percentage . I wonder if the School ever researched why ? The vast majority of Alums were Commuter students . And , many worked while going to school . Hence , not a lot of hanging around Campus if you weren’t going to class or in the Library . Perhaps that affects donations ? I wonder what schools like Fordham , Hofstra , Rutgers alums donate ?
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One reason is probably that the basketball program has basically stunk for over 20 years 🤪🤣
 
If there is evidence that shows that SJU fund raising increases when the men’s basketball team is successful how can it be explained that SJU has left CA basically the same as it was sixty years ago when it was built which is a detriment to recruiting and was unable to maintain a relationship with the grad who might have been a substantial contributor.
Something doesn’t make sense.
 
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