Is College A Waste Of Time And Money ?

Happy · Jun 26, 2012

I'm looking forward to going out again. Mr. Medium is more than welcome to join us

. Over the years I have met posters who were total D bags on here, yet the nicest people in person. As for going out.. whenever works for you guys. Maher suggested a sushi spot in Huntington where apparently he gets the Norm from Cheers treatment .

LINY89 · Jun 26, 2012

I don't watch my mouth when voicing my opinion. I was not the least bit rude or out of line either. Your personal life was never brought into this so grow a pair. I haven't been through hardship? My father died when I was 14...suddenly...out of nowhere heart attack at work...he was in shape, never any warning signs except that he smoked. Now every father's day, every wedding anniversary, every anniversary of his death, every baseball game, every football game, every graduation, my future wedding, etc. I have to be reminded of it. So don't tell me about hardships...I could have easily done what other fatherless kids do and join a gang or do drugs but I knew I had to get myself through it and I did. But I don't need sympathy. That was just a rebuttal. You need to learn that this world is full of different views...I don't care that I offend you...debate is healthy and necessary for progress. If there were no debate nothing would get done. Bottom line, 95% of the time you DO need a 4 year college degree to even THINK about applying anywhere. College USED to be optional...that is the past tense. It is no longer optional for the overwhelming majority of people. It's a luxury to go to certain schools but you can't make excuses because you can still go to community college for 2 years and transfer to a SUNY and not owe that much assuming you work. In conclusion, I don't watch my mouth when I know I'm not out of line. So sue me.

LINY89 · Jun 26, 2012

I am very nice in person if you are nice to me. You guys take things the wrong way so drastically that you make me into a D bag on this forum. It's like you're still trying to be the cool kids in high school so you put someone else down. Isn't that past you? I don't bow down to middle-aged stranger men on online forums. I have my opinions and that's what a forum is for. Don't like them? Give a rebuttal...calling people names is so 5th grade don't you think? I don't care if you don't like me. That's the difference between me and everyone else on this forum who wants to label me as a D bag. This is an online forum. I care if my family likes me. I don't care about invisible people I never met and if I offend them. It's not even a fair fight anyway...everyone on this forum knows each other personally and are all over 35 or more likely 40. I'm 23 and never met any of you. I am new to the forum, so of course I'm the easy target. Just because I'm the "fresh meat" doesn't mean I'm submissive and let people walk all over me. I didn't join this forum to become butt buddies with any of you. I joined to have good conversation mainly about SJU sports and other topics, but now I hear people crying because I "offended them". You remind me of the woman in Jersey who just sued an 11 year old little leaguer's family for accidentally getting hit in the face with a baseball at a game. Everything is offensive and worthy of suing. I know the type. I may be rough around the edges when voicing my opinions in forums, but I'm actually a really nice guy in person. I'm not the Tony tough guy walking into a bar starting problems but if problems come to me that's different.

mjmaherjr · Jun 26, 2012

Kashi Sushi wednesdays or thursdays

We also have half off wine wednesdays at honu or I think $3 beers till 7 at Nisen in woodbury mon-thursday

ruehlj · Jun 26, 2012

GI Bill: www.af.mil is a great place to start.

Happy · Jun 26, 2012

I'm good for any of those days and places. Try and pick the spot with the hottest bartenders please. After all even " middle age " guys have to take a peek every now and then smh

LINY89 · Jun 26, 2012

And look creepy like the desperate middle-aged man at a bar who wants a 20 something girl he can't get. Balding and beer bellies...chicks dig that.

Happy · Jun 26, 2012

Good thing for me that I'm neither. I'm not in a mid life crisis either if you think I will be pulling up in a corvette

mjmaherjr · Jun 27, 2012

Kind of funny since my girlfriend just wrapped from a modeling job today and ironically I met her at a bar although she wasn't working there when I met her but she does like my ever so slight beer belly

MCNPA · Jun 27, 2012

Fwiw MTS, I think you have a misconception of the types on this board. Mjmaher, Happy nor myself are old guys with beer bellies. None of us. I'm the only bald one and have been so since my mid 20's. It's been shaved since then. I think you'd be a bit surprised. I do invite you to come out and meet all of us. You do appear to be quite a "controversial" figure here but I assure you you'd be in good company and maybe learn a thing or two about us. Oh and don't worry, none of us are hostile. It's only your posts that have gotten us hostile and I'm pretty sure we'd get along better in person.

Mike, I went to Kashi about 2 weeks ago. Very nice, we'll get together soon.

MCNPA · Jun 27, 2012

I think she still has my hat...

mjmaherjr · Jun 27, 2012

You know I remember when you gave that hat to her at stout. Damn that was like 7 or 8 years ago. lol

beast of the east · Jun 27, 2012

Part of the tone of this thread is a little disturbing, and I've never been one to shy away from a controversial subject on this board.

I have met a number of you, and found each person I've meet to be a good guy, and civil in person.

What disturbs me is that anyone, anywhere, to have the opinion that he doesn't care who he offends. The entire concept of civil discourse has been lost in our political process precisely because grown men and women don't care who they offend. On many occasions their entire objective appears to be designed to offend, specifically to cater to their partisan base, strengtehning their personal positions, but ceasing to try to make this a better country.

On the subject of a college education, the point is that an education is a market commodity that yields diminished returns when the cost exceeds the value. Some have pointed out here that a medical school like Stony Brook costs far less than a private university, and may in fact yield a better value. The 4 year cost of a private university with tuition, board, books, and other related expenses costs about $250,000 NET (after taxes). I paid for a couple of them out of pocket, which cost about $400,000 in gross salary. It's very hard to justify the value of a "prestigious" liberal arts or business school degrees, when even from a selective school, only a fraction of students will earn enough money over their first 20 years of employment to offset that huge investment.

I am against the government subsidies to lower the interest rates on student loans,which in effect distorts the ability to clearly estimate the ROI of a college education and allows universities to rapidly increases tuition in order to provide such amenities as health clubs and luxury senior housing in order to attract "customers"

MCNPA · Jun 27, 2012

You have everybody here pegged wrong. I sense that the "woe is me" act is not really an act. You feel you're being picked on. You don't seem to have tampened down your aggressive stance and are of the impression that ours here are older and for some reason out to get you. You're pigeonholing all over the place, but it is obvious that you lack any experience in the real world and are really rough around the edges. The opinions of an early 20-something know-it-all, while worth an audience, in your case tend to be abrasive. It's your fault that youre alienating people against yourself, and not a function of everybody else. In short, it's your fault. I think you probably just need more time out in the world hanging out and talking to professionals and not just your other early 20-something know-it-all peers. That said, I'd still like you to come out an meet this crew. I'd rather you see what this is all about now, than become a Tommysea.(others will know what I'm talking about).

LINY89 · Jun 27, 2012

I do agree we would likely all get along in person, but you seem to champion the idea of maturity and wisdom yet you call me "Medium T shirt guy" like a 2nd grader, someone else tells me to watch my mouth, and I'm called a D bag that never had any adversity. That is the opposite of maturity and wisdom. A mature person doesn't try to press someone's buttons time and time again luring conflict. A mature person also doesn't tell another grown man to watch his mouth. No one on here is my mother. My points were valid anyway...I dare you to not go to college and find a good paying, secure, and satisfying job with a strong resume. Is it expensive? Hell yes. No argument there. Is it necessary? Yes. Do you want to go through license programs be a plumber, barber, mechanic, etc.? Then you don't need it. That's not what most people aspire to be though. Do you really want to tell your kid "Hey, don't go to college!"? Many kids would slack off knowing they didn't have to go to college if they didn't want to...is that a good idea? Knowing you are going to college is what makes your GPA and classes so important in HS. Without college in the near future, all they would do is barely pass. College is where you make tons of new friends, have your own space living away from your parents, experiment, debate, contemplate, gain knowledge, new perspectives, etc. Is this something kids should miss out on? In my mind, college makes a person much more well-rounded than someone who never went even if they are successful.

MCNPA · Jun 27, 2012

Not disagreeing with your points about college. It's your delivery that tends to upset some people. You told me, a person that had his kid as an avatar, that posting it was "creepy". Not a good way to start making friends. The other things is that you shouldn't confuse maturity with greater age, wisdom and the like. These traits are mutually exclusive for any men. Start calling people "creepy" and maturity is out the window.

Everybody has different levels of tolerance, maturity, wisdom and the like, and much of it is dependent on the situation at hand. A guy like mjmaher has a much greater tolerance to some of your comments than a person like myself. I will tell you that I cetainly don't hide behind anonymity like some. My identity is known as are my whereabouts should it be necessary. I don't hide behind my alias here.

I don't blame your for not backing down, and I think it is admirable to stand behind your feelings on these different topics. I just caution you to examine how you come across before you at, because it is your tone and demeanor that is getting people ornery, and not the other way around. I just think you have too much bravado and too little experience to realize how you come across. Once again, come out and meet people in person. I think everybody would get along fine and misconceptions would be changed. If you have no interest, then that is fine too.

tom in salem · Feb 27, 2013

Value of a St. John's Education

http://www.stjohns.edu/parents/value.stj

tom in salem · May 8, 2013

STJ rated an impressive 128.

http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013

SI1996 · May 8, 2013

Maybe I am reading the wrong listing but it looks like SJU is 228.

tom in salem · May 8, 2013

woops, my typo.
still very impressive.

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