Iowa St., Mon., Nov. 24, 4:30p, TruTV / 1050 AM

Joedib said:
You saw the press conference where coach said it was “stupid” to raise this time out issue because they already had two time outs in last minute? One was an injury time out. Implication was he had already called the last offensive play. So why give Iowa time to plan or change defenses. He also said Iowa was difficult to inbounds ball on. So on this matter of judgment and discretion, I would not criticize Pitino. At all. Hindsight worthless.
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There’s reasons not to take the timeout. The ones you mentioned certainly count. Another is it might have allowed Iowa state to foul preventing a 3 point look. However, you’re down 3 and you have 2 non 3 point shooters on the court? Wasn’t exactly a situation where you had time to get up multiple shots either so an O board plus a kick out wasn’t likely.

The TO should have been called to get the best 3 point shooting lineup possible IMO.
 
Joedib said:
You saw the press conference where coach said it was “stupid” to raise this time out issue because they already had two time outs in last minute? One was an injury time out. Implication was he had already called the last offensive play. So why give Iowa time to plan or change defenses. He also said Iowa was difficult to inbounds ball on. So on this matter of judgment and discretion, I would not criticize Pitino. At all. Hindsight worthless.
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Joe, I am shocked, simply shocked that disagree with the concept that Pitino could EVER make a mistake or miscalculate. :ROFLMAO:

However, having had my joke, I agree with you on this one.
 
I missed the game and am still getting to learn this years team. I see a lot of talk here about the PG issue which seems like Deja Vu similar to when CRP trusted Jenkins with the rock no matter what and this board was complaining but now Jenkins is in the NBA. I am still optimistic b/c we have lots of bball left, I trust the coaching staff to figure this out.
 
Roamer said:
I missed the game and am still getting to learn this years team. I see a lot of talk here about the PG issue which seems like Deja Vu similar to when CRP trusted Jenkins with the rock no matter what and this board was complaining but now Jenkins is in the NBA. I am still optimistic b/c we have lots of bball left, I trust the coaching staff to figure this out.
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Neither Jackson nor Sanon could put a patch in Jenkins' ass as a ballhandler and PG. You can be optimistic but it will never happen.
 
I see some growth. 3 legit players to start the season, Zuby, Hop and Mitchell. Sellers is joining those 3 with his play of late. Ruben is close. Just need Sanon and Jackson to move a step forward.
 
Joedib said:
You saw the press conference where coach said it was “stupid” to raise this time out issue because they already had two time outs in last minute? One was an injury time out. Implication was he had already called the last offensive play. So why give Iowa time to plan or change defenses. He also said Iowa was difficult to inbounds ball on. So on this matter of judgment and discretion, I would not criticize Pitino. At all. Hindsight worthless.
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All our comments are in hindsight but certainly not worthless!
These are things coaches need to point out in game reviews with players (and themselves).
If Pitino's answer floats your boat then fine but I think LMF was on point in that he should have put his best 3 point shooters in under 1 minute regardless of any Iowa State adjustment.
 
gman said:
I wake up expecting to see all of my teams lost. Still a bummer. We will likely fall outside of the top 25 and this will be remembered by the selection committee. Pitino build a strong OOC schedule debut hasn’t delivered.
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Same s* every year.

Oh but we have no pg, this and that.
Just I stop with the bs excuses and moral victories, a loss is a loss, anyway you look at it

We need to start beating the P5 teams starting today.
 
Watched some ISU v Creighton.

ISU has ingredients I love; junk yard dog mentality, constant hustle, team first attitude and defend smartly & aggressively.

Give me guys like this v hyped, pampered, selfish, stats driven players allergic to defense.
 
lawmanfan said:
Joe, I am shocked, simply shocked that disagree with the concept that Pitino could EVER make a mistake or miscalculate. :ROFLMAO:

However, having had my joke, I agree with you on this one.
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I do not believe Pitino is right on everything. Far from it. But he has earned the benefit of the doubt. More wins than almost any other coach. NCAA titles. Coached amateurs , pros, internationally. Respected worldwide. Coach of the year awards. Won at every level. Amazing ability to identify, recruit, and develop talent. I saw up close the commitment and dedication he puts in every day when Billy Donovan played for him, and later coached on his staff. There is no one, no one who puts more time into film, preparation, and planning than Pitino does. He lives and breathes basketball. When not working on our team, he is watching other teams games. And planning ahead. He has been paid hundreds of millions of dollars for his basketball knowledge and expertise. Trained many very successful basketball coaches. Like Billy. So I am quite content with his game decisions. Would not want anyone else making them. Is he perfect? That does not exist in the real world. You can take one thing for sure though—he is his own self critic and learns from—indeed obsesses over - moves that did not go as planned.

I was not always this way. I had no respect for Anderson and those that preceded him. I was a vociferous critic. And I am grateful Pitino is here. It won’t last much longer. Let’s enjoy it while we can.
 
Rocket said:
All our comments are in hindsight but certainly not worthless!
These are things coaches need to point out in game reviews with players (and themselves).
If Pitino's answer floats your boat then fine but I think LMF was on point in that he should have put his best 3 point shooters in under 1 minute regardless of any Iowa State adjustment.
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Don't recall making that point.

My observations were that I did not like Sellers taking the mid-range shot that he took, not that I don't like Sellers (I like him a ton) but I did not think that was the best shot available or potentially available. And I did not like the drive to the rim with 9 seconds left and a chance to win the game, that was too early in the clock.

I definitely get the sense that both of those were Rick giving Sellers the "Jenkins Treatment" and deciding that he was the one he trusted with the ball and to take the shots. I don't know that on this team that would have been my choice as opposed to getting it to Hopkins to score or get fouled, but the other factor here is that Sellers is not a point guard so if you are going to give him the ball and tell him to win the game the likelihood is that he's going to wind up taking the shot. Not his fault, just what it is with the roster.

Ian Jackson dribbling around aimlessly and passing up an open shot with 5 seconds on the shot clock, that I'm not going to talk about. The poor kid is stuck in his head at the moment - he passes when he should shoot and shoots when he should pass because he's trying to hard to do what the staff wants him to do that he's forgotten to just play basketball (except on breakaways, of course).

Anyway, I have no problem with Pitino's coaching or player choices down the stretch. We just gave up too many rebounds and missed a couple of shots.
 
Biggest mistake Pitino made here? Not accepting Yaxel who still wanted to come here after Anderson was fired. I know Yaxel has improved markedly since junior college but with him, the Soriano team makes the NCAA, and he is a better forward now than Hopkins. Would love to know the back story on that one.
 
I certainly wanted Rick to call a timeout for our final possession, but regardless we had our chances.

What bothers me about it, you have 4-5 possessions in crunch time that can perhaps win you the game, I’ve never felt like we particularly know what we’re doing. And that’s not even a critique about just this year.

On NYE last year @Creighton, RJ missed a couple potential game winners. Rick said after the game that he wanted Zuby to take a 3, not RJ. It was a very odd moment and a bummer of a loss.

From that point forward, Kadary really kicked it into high gear, and as we saw, it was easy to just give him the ball and let him create something. Our crunch time problems were largely solved after that. RJ hit a couple big shots too throughout the season.

The reason I wanted a timeout yesterday, was because this team doesn’t have a Kadary. It doesn’t have a guy you can just hand the ball to and tell him to go handle the possession, make the right read… whether it’s a shot, drive and kick, drive and dish to a big, etc.

Who on this team do you trust making those decisions late in game? Imo, that player hasn’t reveled themselves yet, in fact they might not even exist. As a result, yea I wouldn’t mind Rick being a little more hands on in late game situations, and trying to get the team on the same page for a set instead of just letting a team, who’s best players are non-Point Guards, just freelance out there
 
Rocket said:
All our comments are in hindsight but certainly not worthless!
These are things coaches need to point out in game reviews with players (and themselves).
If Pitino's answer floats your boat then fine but I think LMF was on point in that he should have put his best 3 point shooters in under 1 minute regardless of any Iowa State adjustment.
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You don’t think Pitino considered and rejected that idea? Seriously? He had his reasons. Just because we did not score does not mean his decision was incorrect.
 
MJDinkins said:
Gman, we're not falling out of the top 25 with a win today and tomorrow. Baylor is in KenPom's top 20, and that'll be considered a solid win at this juncture.

If we win our next two, and get wins versus Ole Miss and Kentucky then all is well.
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Just hope we get that win today.
 
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