Interesting Article on Big East

Joe, I don't think anyone from Redmen.com has ever called the Big East a mid-major. That's been the perception by some outsiders/articles, but no one here has taken that approach.
 
Joe, I don't think anyone from Redmen.com has ever called the Big East a mid-major. That's been the perception by some outsiders/articles, but no one here has taken that approach.
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Actually a few people here do
 
If the Big East is mid major I wonder what constitutes low major schools. Are they schools in 3rd world countries where the teams play with rocks and cardboard?
 
Whoever wasted their time tackling this mid major question should stop. It doesn't matter. Look what happened to Miami and BC when they went to a more competitive conference and chased the money. Their programs are in the toilet in football and bball is suspect at best.

The same will happen to Pitt and Syracuse. I guarantee it. They will be crushed in football and their basketball programs are in for a rude awakening. I only expect Louisville to come out of this fine.

As for the Big East. We only should worry about ourselves. Who cares how butler or gtown does? Take care of business and we will be a marquee program
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Agree about Pitt but Cuse will be fine unfortunately. Their football will be miraculously bad just like Rutgers in their new home. But their basketball will be fine and it pains me to say that.
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Not when Boeheim leaves. They will be ordinary at best and falter into the abyss that is super-conference mediocrity. What are they without Boeheim? A school in the middle of nowhere with an outdated football stadium doubling as their home court. How will they compete in recruiting kids when you compare quality of life or even pro potential when he leaves?
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I'd love to see Syracuse fall into disrepair, but I don't see it if Mike Hopkins takes over. They've been grooming him for years and he's easily one of the top 5 recruiters in the game.
 
Joe, I don't think anyone from Redmen.com has ever called the Big East a mid-major. That's been the perception by some outsiders/articles, but no one here has taken that approach.
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Actually a few people here do
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I stand corrected.
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don't kill the messengers.
no one here can say with a straight face that we're closer to the acc than we are to the atlantic 10.
be serious.
right now, we have a team that has final eight potential and maybe better with some luck.
less than that, and there's no way to hold the dogs off.
schools from the acc/big ten/sec/pac ten, etc recruiting against us down the road will tell the elites we're mid major.
you know which way elite ballers will go.
i'm talking not far down the road. lavin won't be here forever.
 
Joe, I don't think anyone from Redmen.com has ever called the Big East a mid-major. That's been the perception by some outsiders/articles, but no one here has taken that approach.
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Actually a few people here do
Click to expand...

I stand corrected.
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don't kill the messengers.
no one here can say with a straight face that we're closer to the acc than we are to the atlantic 10.
be serious.
right now, we have a team that has final eight potential and maybe better with some luck.
less than that, and there's no way to hold the dogs off.
schools from the acc/big ten/sec/pac ten, etc recruiting against us down the road will tell the elites we're mid major.
you know which way elite ballers will go.
i'm talking not far down the road. lavin won't be here forever.
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I believe we are better top to bottom then the Pac 10 and SEC already.
 
Who really cares about conferences no matter which one you are in you have to win games. You can be in the worst conf and win it and go dancing. Yes you have played INFERIOR talent but some day soon a 16 seed will knock off a #1 They have came close
WE play Bucknell this yr they are a dangerous team not in a strong conference
 
Joe, I don't think anyone from Redmen.com has ever called the Big East a mid-major. That's been the perception by some outsiders/articles, but no one here has taken that approach.
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Actually a few people here do
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I stand corrected.
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don't kill the messengers.
no one here can say with a straight face that we're closer to the acc than we are to the atlantic 10.
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I think the Atlantic 10 is closer to the ACC than they are to being a mid-major, though.

Honestly, how many conferences are better than the Big East? We made out as good as we possibly could have short of starting a football team.
 
Who really cares about conferences no matter which one you are in you have to win games. You can be in the worst conf and win it and go dancing. Yes you have played INFERIOR talent but some day soon a 16 seed will knock off a #1 They have came close
WE play Bucknell this yr they are a dangerous team not in a strong conference
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In the same way that the neighborhood you come from impacts you, so does your conference. Obviously you can be a cinderella, but the truth is that the best conferences get the most hype which then rubs off on the teams in that conference. It's all part of your team's aura. Your conference is a factor in that. This is why the A-10 is respected but not seen as a great conference. It didn't have that professional-sounding name brand conference like Big East or ACC.
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
 
Let's remember that the problem with the Pac 10 was they essentially copied the Atlantic 10, but on the other coast, with their non professional sounding name brand. THAT was their problem. ;)
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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UCLA is a bad example to use...they are the Yankees of college basketball. That's why they will always be strong.
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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UCLA is a bad example to use...they are the Yankees of college basketball. That's why they will always be strong.
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UCLA is a strong program, but IMO Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas are all much, much higher on the ladder. We are not talking about the 60's anymore. Comparing UCLA's last 30 years to any of the above teams makes that very clear. They missed the NCAAs eight times, were knocked out in the first round five times, and knocked out in the second round six times in that span. They also draw next to no fans (worse than us many years). You could even argue Louisville, Syracuse, and Uconn over UCLA in that span as well. Essentially, you could say that UCLA would be the 5th best program in the ACC over the last 30 years (if they were in the ACC). You can't argue anyone over the Yankees.
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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UCLA is a bad example to use...they are the Yankees of college basketball. That's why they will always be strong.
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"Were" the Yankees of college basketball is more like it. It's been a long time since they've dominated.
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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I think Memphis in Conference USA with Calipari is a good example.
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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UCLA is a bad example to use...they are the Yankees of college basketball. That's why they will always be strong.
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"Were" the Yankees of college basketball is more like it. It's been a long time since they've dominated.
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Didn't UCLA just go to the Final Four in 2006 or some time around there when they had Love?
 
Excellent, excellent post. I too could give a crappola how other conference teams do. To me, it's only about St. Johns. Look at the mediocre PAC 10 during UCLA's reign. The conference was weak but the Bruins stayed strong. As long as we can get our share of elite players, the rest will take care of itself. That's why I believe that our non conference schedule should have a few less cup cakes and more national programs on the sched. The big time recruits want to play against the Big Time programs which unfortunately, in their perception, the Big East schedule may not provide.
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UCLA is a bad example to use...they are the Yankees of college basketball. That's why they will always be strong.
Click to expand...

"Were" the Yankees of college basketball is more like it. It's been a long time since they've dominated.
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Didn't UCLA just go to the Final Four in 2006 or some time around there when they had Love?
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Actually they had three Final Fours under Ben Howland (and they let him go? unbelievable!): '06, '07 & '08. But after the incredible success they had under John Wooden in the mid-60s through the mid-70s, they went to the Final Four five times in the following 38 years (three with Howland, one with Larry Brown, and a championship with Jim Harrick in '05).

Have to admit I had forgotten that Howland took them to the Final Four three straight years (I remembered two), but given their history, UCLA hasn't been the dominant program it once was (nor has anyone else) ... although, no doubt, it still has a certain aura about it. (Then again, the Yankees aren't exactly tearing up the American League these days.)
 
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