HS Basketball League?

There is nothing to stop a talented actor, singer, or musician from bypassing college for a professional career. 

A 15 year old singer does not need to post up LeBron or shoot over Durant.  There are already options available that do not include college.  Lamelo Ball played overseas got paid and became a lottery pick.  Jalen Green took the premium G League option.  For those who attend college only 1 year  is needed before one can go pro and even that rule is likely to go away.

Ultimately it is a money grab and figures to hurt far more kids than it would help.  I doubt this league would be successful, not even considering covid which is having significant impact.
 
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nycfan" post=416403 said:
There is nothing to stop a talented actor, singer, or musician from bypassing college for a professional career. 

A 15 year old singer does not need to post up LeBron or shoot over Durant.  There are already options available that do not include college.  Lamelo Ball played overseas got paid and became a lottery pick.  Jalen Green took the premium G League option.  For those who attend college only 1 year  is needed before one can go pro and even that rule is likely to go away.

Ultimately it is a money grab and figures to hurt far more kids than it would help.  I doubt this league would be successful, not even considering covid which is having significant impact.
If you read the article, no one is speaking about 15 year olds turning pro.   It's a professional HS league in lieu of college that would pay them.   If a player isn't good enough to go the the NBA he could still go to the G league.   If the pay is sufficient, I don't see where it is exploitive.   Right now, very few players of any worth are staying 4 years in college anyway.   The best exit in 1 or 2 years.   I think the point of the league would be to compensate the best players for those 1 or 2 years far in excess of the cost of a college education.
 
Beast - my points were no athlete is being forced to go to college and due to the physical nature of sports it should not be expected to have same rules as a musician for example.  I agree no one is saying 15 yr old is going to the NBA - not yet at least.

I still think it is a bad idea as I expect it will devalue education and not allow kids to be kids and will not work financially. 

I understand others will like pro HS league and they are free to do so.
 
It is not often that I get taken back to my arguments with Dr. Rita Dunn who led the Learning Styles Network at STJ's Graduate School of Education.  Dr. Dunn framed as many as 17 learning styles variables as impacting learning and I (at the time Training Director at Creedmoor) worried that accommodating particular student characteristics might help learning particular content but reinforce characteristics that if allowed to go unaddressed might contribute to pathology; i.e. the student who can only work alone might thrive with computerized instruction but have a real hard time in a socially interacting work force

Teenagers are not one dimensional, brain development is not complete, and depriving teenagers of varied exploration of roles and of their own capacities, ultimately limits their life choices.  Sometimes you can get poorer by getting richer.
 
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nycfan" post=416416 said:
Beast - my points were no athlete is being forced to go to college and due to the physical nature of sports it should not be expected to have same rules as a musician for example.  I agree no one is saying 15 yr old is going to the NBA - not yet at least.

I still think it is a bad idea as I expect it will devalue education and not allow kids to be kids and will not work financially. 

I understand others will like pro HS league and they are free to do so.
Sorry, I missed your point.

There are a ton of ways to look at this for certain.   

When you roll education into the argument, I get really concerned about college basketball.  

When I worked at St. John's right out of school, my office was in the academic computing lab.   The student workers there were paid to help students doing assignment only with technical problems of using the computers, not the assignments themselves. 

Towards the end of semesters, some basketball players would come in with a pile of assignments that they never did during the semester, and look for help fisnihing them so they wouldn't fail.   The only guy who stood out was Frank Gilroy, who came in several times per week from the first week of school and did his own work, presumably on time.   I was amazed that here was a rotation player, a starter, who was putting in a solid academic effort in addition to the rigors of baketball.   

Having gone to pharmacy school, I have a crazy amount of respect for Charles Minlend in tackling what is undoubtedly the most challenging undergraduate curriculum at St. John's, PLUS be a starter on our teams.   Before that, Rudy Wright was a chemistry major.and a rotation player. 

For sure there have been others that have been solid students AND roster players for us.

The reality is that too many athletes who play college basketball are permitted early on to make a decision of basketball over academics, as early as grade school and middle school.    Many are barely getting by in high school, and are forced to go the prep school route where not only is failure not an option, but not a possibility either.   I wonder how many athletes get to college with subpar academic skills plus are expected to handle the rigors of a D1 sport.   

Richard Lapchick is one of the highly respected guy who is very concerned about academic progress of basketball players, and proposes that  the NCAA needs to raise its academic progress rate to 60 percent rather than the current 50. He said 78 percent of the men's teams and 97 percent of the women's teams currently meet those standards, but more schools need to strive to reach that level.   He also feels that schools need to provide more academic support to studnet athletes, particularly basketball players.

The sad reality though is while we delude ourselves to thinking that college basketball is an avenue and opportunity for kids to receive a college education, for many college basketball athletes, attending college is merely a vehicle for what comes next - profesisonal basketball in one form or another.    It's crazy to think that college basketball encompasses 3/4 of the fall semester months, and 3/4 of the spring semester months (if you exclude May, when many schools are just about done).   

We need a better structure is college basketball is to produce more student athletes.   Until then, it may not be a horrible idea to have an option that allows kids to bypass college.    Paying HS kids is not the answer I'm certain, but we have to provide a better way to allow athletic ability to be a provider of a solid college education than the current system.

 
 
Beast of the East" post=416397 said:
Here's a thought: I doubt this league would fly.   The NCAA requires a 930 APR score which is the equivalent of a 50% graduation rate according to Dr. Richard Lapchick.   Lapchick believes that the NCAA should raise the bar to a minimum of a 60% graduation rate.  

I agree totally with Panther that without a college degree (or I would add some sort of vocational training), a former athlete has a far less chance of succeeding in life.  That being said, though, far too many college basketball players are not graduating college for a variety of reasons within and outside of their own control.   While I would stop short of saying that college athletics are exploitive, 10 years post college days, many have little to show for the glory days of playing on television and before large paying crowds.

There is nothing to stop a talented actor, singer, or musician from bypassing college for a professional career.   For every kid who acted in a movie or tv show there are 1000 that tried and failed maybe picking up a bit part or a commercial.    While successful child actors were exploited at low wages in the 1950's and 60's, today top performing artists under the age of 18 can become pretty wealthy before they turn 21.

There are three basic rules that statistically have been proven to avoid poverty.   Among them is attaining a  high school degree, and another is attaining full time employment.   A college degree is not mentioned, but I would agree with Panther that a college degree generally raises the trajectory of a kid's potential earnings going forward.   Panther is to be applauded if by his encouragement, 80% of his aau kids got college degrees.    

Side note: Last night TJ Cleveland spoke a little bit about recruiting and mentioned that he doesn't only recruit talent, but also goes after the right kids to play in our program.   TJ is a top recruiter, and it was reassuring to hear him infer that he doesn't recruit potential problems.  Hopefully they are kids who will all work hard towards degrees.   If the academic results reported by Mike Cragg are any indication, TJ and CMA have done a great job so far in that regard.

I guess, without a fully formed opinion, I would be okay with this league of paid HS players if by league rules, a large sum of their salary is invested in an account that they could tap up to age 35 towards their education.   This way, whether they fail or succeed at basketball, they could go back to school free of charge.   

Every single highly regarded college player is just one injury away from being a former athlete.   There is a school of thought that would say given the option of playing basketball and getting compensated for it as opposed to playing basketball and getting only tuition, room and board can be a no brainer for kids who can make money playing right away.
not sure if I am missing something, but I don't see that this would be wildly successful or popular from a fan perspective. It's not like people are clamoring to attend/watch G-League games  and those are more accomplished players. 

College Basketball is wildly popular because of the school affiliation
 
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