Horace broadnax and son

Didn't St. John's also have a Broadnax?

Marcus, recruited over for Boo Harvey and Michael Porter. Played 14 games in'86-7, 2 games in '87-8. His bright shining moment was when he came off the bench and hit the winning shot in OT against Gtown in the Garden.
 
Isn't Broadnax the guy who infamously was given a scholarship over Gary Payton? Had we landed Payton who wanted to come here, it might have been a turning point in our history...
 
I recall there were 2 scholarships available for 3 recruits, Broadnax, Lewis and Payton. There must have been some reason aside from talent for SJU to drop Payton. At least I hope so. Payton was form the West Coast and in those days SJU did very little recruiting outside the metropolitan area but to turn down a future hall of fame player for two mediocre players just didn't make sense.
 
I recall there were 2 scholarships available for 3 recruits, Broadnax, Lewis and Payton. There must have been some reason aside from talent for SJU to drop Payton. At least I hope so. Payton was form the West Coast and in those days SJU did very little recruiting outside the metropolitan area but to turn down a future hall of fame player for two mediocre players just didn't make sense.

While we know Payton had a great collegiate and NBA career, you are implying he was this big time recruit out of High School. He wasn't. Both Broadnax (from Florida) and Lewis (from Albany, NY) were much higher rated recruits than Payton who IIRC only had one possibly two other D1 offers at the time. Greg Forster (started his College career at UCLA and played in the NBA) was his Skyline HS teammate and was a big time recruit who we were very interested in.

Hindsight is 20/20 and we all know that Broadnax and Lewis (who had a nice finish to his career at Sienna I believe) didn't pan out here but now one except maybe Payton himself figured he would have the career he did. He wound up at Oregon State which was the only other school that had interest in him.

Actually there still was a ship or two available and all three could have been had (basketball had 15 scholarships back then, not the 13 we have now).
 
Didn't St. John's also have a Broadnax?

Marcus, recruited over for Boo Harvey and Michael Porter. Played 14 games in'86-7, 2 games in '87-8. His bright shining moment was when he came off the bench and hit the winning shot in OT against Gtown in the Garden.

Not to be picky ... but it was against Fairleigh Dickinson, not Georgetown, at MSG:

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/17/sports/broadnax-a-hero-for-st-john-s.html

Nice Find!

Thank you. I didn't think it was Gtown but could not remember whom it was against until I saw your response. Now it is coming back to me. I think the game was played on President's Day. I remember a friend being real upset that we, a BE team weren't blowing "Fairly Ridiculous" (as he referred to the school) out.
 
Didn't St. John's also have a Broadnax?

Marcus, recruited over for Boo Harvey and Michael Porter. Played 14 games in'86-7, 2 games in '87-8. His bright shining moment was when he came off the bench and hit the winning shot in OT against Gtown in the Garden.

Not to be picky ... but it was against Fairleigh Dickinson, not Georgetown, at MSG:

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/17/sports/broadnax-a-hero-for-st-john-s.html

Nice Find!

Thank you. I didn't think it was Gtown but could not remember whom it was against until I saw your response. Now it is coming back to me. I think the game was played on President's Day. I remember a friend being real upset that we, a BE team weren't blowing "Fairly Ridiculous" (as he referred to the school) out.

Wasn't at the game; saw it on TV, and I remember that finish ... and seeing an elated Broadnax beaming after the game, and my thinking that maybe he had turned the corner and was going to starting seeing some serious PT. (He was, after all, a Top 40 player in some ratings.) Unfortunately, it never happened and that was his only highlight at St. John's, as he continued to ride the pine. Seemed like a good kid (not the same opinion I held for GT's Broadnax), and I sincerely wished him well when he left the team. (There was talk of him going to Oklahoma, but it never materialized.)

Here's another nugget from the Times:http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/09/sports/sports-people-broadnax-moving-on.html
 
Didn't St. John's also have a Broadnax?

Marcus, recruited over for Boo Harvey and Michael Porter. Played 14 games in'86-7, 2 games in '87-8. His bright shining moment was when he came off the bench and hit the winning shot in OT against Gtown in the Garden.

Not to be picky ... but it was against Fairleigh Dickinson, not Georgetown, at MSG:

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/17/sports/broadnax-a-hero-for-st-john-s.html

Ooops, I like my little fantasy better. ;) :cheer:
 
Getting back to Horace Broadnax. In GTown's fullcourt press, he would front an opposing player prior to the ball being inbounded, would grab the players shorts and he would fall backwards pulling the player with him to make it seem like the opposing player forced the contract and drawing a charge. He was a master at it. One game against us, he tried as they were trying to come back, and the player fell on him, but Broadnax got hurt (not serious but finished him for the game). He also was called for the foul and rightly so. My other memory of him was I got a kick out of the town he came out of, Turkey Creek in Florida.

I always wondered if Horace and Marcus were related as both shared the same last name (a name I thought was uncommon) and both came out of Florida. Marcus had a reputation as being a good shooter but it really didn't show the few times he actually got on the court.

A few years back I ran into Elander Lewis on a few occasions . I use to run into him around some of the campus hangouts when I would go and hang out with friends. He stilll seemed like a real nice guy.
 
Getting back to Horace Broadnax. In GTown's fullcourt press, he would front an opposing player prior to the ball being inbounded, would grab the players shorts and he would fall backwards pulling the player with him to make it seem like the opposing player forced the contract and drawing a charge. He was a master at it. One game against us, he tried as they were trying to come back, and the player fell on him, but Broadnax got hurt (not serious but finished him for the game). He also was called for the foul and rightly so. My other memory of him was I got a kick out of the town he came out of, Turkey Creek in Florida.

I always wondered if Horace and Marcus were related as both shared the same last name (a name I thought was uncommon) and both came out of Florida. Marcus had a reputation as being a good shooter but it really didn't show the few times he actually got on the court.

A few years back I ran into Elander Lewis on a few occasions . I use to run into him around some of the campus hangouts when I would go and hang out with friends. He stilll seemed like a real nice guy.

If I recall correctly (and I think I do) Broadnax pulled that same "trick" -- or tried pulling it -- against Mullin at the end of St. John's win against GT in February 1985 when the Hoyas were making a feverish comeback. Probably the main reason why, after seeing that, I saw him as just another GT thug.

As for Lewis, coming out of high school, in his senior year in HS, he was considered the second-best prospect upstate New York ever produced, behind only Sam Perkins.
 
Getting back to Horace Broadnax. In GTown's fullcourt press, he would front an opposing player prior to the ball being inbounded, would grab the players shorts and he would fall backwards pulling the player with him to make it seem like the opposing player forced the contract and drawing a charge. He was a master at it. One game against us, he tried as they were trying to come back, and the player fell on him, but Broadnax got hurt (not serious but finished him for the game). He also was called for the foul and rightly so. My other memory of him was I got a kick out of the town he came out of, Turkey Creek in Florida.

I always wondered if Horace and Marcus were related as both shared the same last name (a name I thought was uncommon) and both came out of Florida. Marcus had a reputation as being a good shooter but it really didn't show the few times he actually got on the court.

A few years back I ran into Elander Lewis on a few occasions . I use to run into him around some of the campus hangouts when I would go and hang out with friends. He stilll seemed like a real nice guy.

If I recall correctly (and I think I do) Broadnax pulled that same "trick" -- or tried pulling it -- against Mullin at the end of St. John's win against GT in February 1985 when the Hoyas were making a feverish comeback. Probably the main reason why, after seeing that, I saw him as just another GT thug.

As for Lewis, coming out of high school, in his senior year in HS, he was considered by many to be the second-best prospect upstate New York ever produced, behind only Sam Perkins.
 
I recall there were 2 scholarships available for 3 recruits, Broadnax, Lewis and Payton. There must have been some reason aside from talent for SJU to drop Payton. At least I hope so. Payton was form the West Coast and in those days SJU did very little recruiting outside the metropolitan area but to turn down a future hall of fame player for two mediocre players just didn't make sense.

While we know Payton had a great collegiate and NBA career, you are implying he was this big time recruit out of High School. He wasn't. Both Broadnax (from Florida) and Lewis (from Albany, NY) were much higher rated recruits than Payton who IIRC only had one possibly two other D1 offers at the time. Greg Forster (started his College career at UCLA and played in the NBA) was his Skyline HS teammate and was a big time recruit who we were very interested in.

Hindsight is 20/20 and we all know that Broadnax and Lewis (who had a nice finish to his career at Sienna I believe) didn't pan out here but now one except maybe Payton himself figured he would have the career he did. He wound up at Oregon State which was the only other school that had interest in him.

Actually there still was a ship or two available and all three could have been had (basketball had 15 scholarships back then, not the 13 we have now).


Wrong, Payton was recruited heavily by Texas El Paso, national champions over Kentucky in 1966. When Gary informed them he was going to SJU and signed his letter of intent late, El Paso's coach gave the remaining scholarship to another recruit he was holding off. Looie got the late LOI via Rutledge and already had received Broadnax and Lewis' LOI's . Now he had three guards and did not want to have to deal with unhappiness with playing time unlike say ND who recruits over players all the time and let;s best man win. Payton's Scholie offer was rejected by Looie and Payton was left to scramble. OSU coach Ralph Miller had one available and being late in the game Payton had no choice. but to sign, The rest is history and Miller went to the final four with his gift from Looie. Name of the game for St. John's fans.
 
Getting back to Horace Broadnax. In GTown's fullcourt press, he would front an opposing player prior to the ball being inbounded, would grab the players shorts and he would fall backwards pulling the player with him to make it seem like the opposing player forced the contract and drawing a charge. He was a master at it. One game against us, he tried as they were trying to come back, and the player fell on him, but Broadnax got hurt (not serious but finished him for the game). He also was called for the foul and rightly so. My other memory of him was I got a kick out of the town he came out of, Turkey Creek in Florida.

I always wondered if Horace and Marcus were related as both shared the same last name (a name I thought was uncommon) and both came out of Florida. Marcus had a reputation as being a good shooter but it really didn't show the few times he actually got on the court.

A few years back I ran into Elander Lewis on a few occasions . I use to run into him around some of the campus hangouts when I would go and hang out with friends. He stilll seemed like a real nice guy.

If I recall correctly (and I think I do) Broadnax pulled that same "trick" -- or tried pulling it -- against Mullin at the end of St. John's win against GT in February 1985 when the Hoyas were making a feverish comeback. Probably the main reason why, after seeing that, I saw him as just another GT thug.

As for Lewis, coming out of high school, in his senior year in HS, he was considered the second-best prospect upstate New York ever produced, behind only Sam Perkins.

Your memory is correct.
 
I recall there were 2 scholarships available for 3 recruits, Broadnax, Lewis and Payton. There must have been some reason aside from talent for SJU to drop Payton. At least I hope so. Payton was form the West Coast and in those days SJU did very little recruiting outside the metropolitan area but to turn down a future hall of fame player for two mediocre players just didn't make sense.

While we know Payton had a great collegiate and NBA career, you are implying he was this big time recruit out of High School. He wasn't. Both Broadnax (from Florida) and Lewis (from Albany, NY) were much higher rated recruits than Payton who IIRC only had one possibly two other D1 offers at the time. Greg Forster (started his College career at UCLA and played in the NBA) was his Skyline HS teammate and was a big time recruit who we were very interested in.

Hindsight is 20/20 and we all know that Broadnax and Lewis (who had a nice finish to his career at Sienna I believe) didn't pan out here but now one except maybe Payton himself figured he would have the career he did. He wound up at Oregon State which was the only other school that had interest in him.

Actually there still was a ship or two available and all three could have been had (basketball had 15 scholarships back then, not the 13 we have now).


Wrong, Payton was recruited heavily by Texas El Paso, national champions over Kentucky in 1966. When Gary informed them he was going to SJU and signed his letter of intent late, El Paso's coach gave the remaining scholarship to another recruit he was holding off. Looie got the late LOI via Rutledge and already had received Broadnax and Lewis' LOI's . Now he had three guards and did not want to have to deal with unhappiness with playing time unlike say ND who recruits over players all the time and let;s best man win. Payton's Scholie offer was rejected by Looie and Payton was left to scramble. OSU coach Ralph Miller had one available and being late in the game Payton had no choice. but to sign, The rest is history and Miller went to the final four with his gift from Looie. Name of the game for St. John's fans.

Where was I wrong, he was not heavily recruited and certainly not rated over the two we accepted. He had a few offers, Texas El Paso might have been one of them and they may have been heavliy recruiting him, but that does not mean that overall he was heavily recruited (one school vs. multiple).

Your timing over the LOIs is also off. Payton's came in first followed closely by Lewis'. They were waiting on Broadnax which came a day later. If Broadnax had not sent it in, we would have accepted Payton's. As I mentioned there still was a ship or two available if they wanted to keep him but as you mentioned, to avoid the unhappiness with playing time, they elected not to take him.

Lets' also remember this occurred during the "early" signing period which was relatively new. Payton could have still picked up offers but wound up signing with OSU in the Spring as they were the only ones still on his tail and the rest as you put it "is history".

Funny thing is, we wound up bringing in Boo Harvey and Michael Porter from San Jacinto the following year. So we opened up that season with Shurina (Sr.), Fitzpatrick (RS Jr.), Harvey (Jr), Porter (Jr), Lewis (So), Broadnax (So) as guards along with Swingman Burst (RS Jr). Of course all talent was not equal, but a pretty crowded backcourt. Broadnax left the school after the first semester and transferred, and at the end of the year Lewis transferred, Porter was expelled, Shurina graduated and Harvey was declared academically ineligible for the next semester.
 
Not to be Picky but, Horace Broadnax was one of the Dirtiest Players on a Team filled with Dirty Players! G'town was a much more despised team under JT2, than they are under JT3.

I remember Kevin Williams having a Showdown with Ewing during a Game at the Garden. Kevin didn't back down.
 
Not to be Picky but, Horace Broadnax was one of the Dirtiest Players on a Team filled with Dirty Players! G'town was a much more despised team under JT2, than they are under JT3.

I remember Kevin Williams having a Showdown with Ewing during a Game at the Garden. Kevin didn't back down.

Michael Graham was possibly the worst thug on those teams.
 
Not to be Picky but, Horace Broadnax was one of the Dirtiest Players on a Team filled with Dirty Players! G'town was a much more despised team under JT2, than they are under JT3.

I remember Kevin Williams having a Showdown with Ewing during a Game at the Garden. Kevin didn't back down.

Michael Graham was possibly the worst thug on those teams.

Think you can delete the qualifying "possibly."
 
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