Hey Nurideen, keep your chin up

[beast of the east]

Thanks for your thoughtful insight into sports. I understand the NFL is changing the name of "sudden death" to final outcome, and in hoops any reference to "shots" will be changed to "field goal attempts". Sports announcers will be instructed never to say "he rifles a pass downcourt", and instead of saying a player was "hacked", will say "there was sufficient contact to warrant a free throw attempt".

For you to even pretend you have sympathy for the world many of these kids live in is even more ridiculous than this post. Your closing arguments, if you aren't just doing wills and estates must be comical. I thought your avatar was John Wayne Gacy, instead its your best professional attire.

Given that avatar, I would say thats in incredibly poor taste to have a photo of the worst sexual predator in US history, given the full blown sex scandals involving molestation of young boys at Penn State. Which of course, you'd find funny.

Great Post

 

Great post? Really? The kid's two brothers were murdered and his best friend died of cancer. That he managed to muddle through. Fast forward: he misses free throw, which is compared to a "painful death" and then he's advised to keep his chin up.

I'd be hard pressed to write satire in worse taste.

  

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Nurideen -

I believe Chris Mullin, a great free throw shooter, also missed an important free throw in the NCAAs (if I had to guess it was a game we lost against Temple during Mullin's freshman or sophmore year). 

Some of the more informed posters might be able to confirm or correct this memory.

all the best.

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

1. Does Nurideen (and other current players) actually read this site?

2. What is the latest on any addition to the team during December?

thanks

 

[redmannorth]

Nurideen -

I believe Chris Mullin, a great free throw shooter, also missed an important free throw in the NCAAs (if I had to guess it was a game we lost against Temple during Mullin's freshman or sophmore year). 

Some of the more informed posters might be able to confirm or correct this memory.

all the best.

 

It was Mullin's junior year against Temple.

 

[redmannorth]

1. Does Nurideen (and other current players) actually read this site?

2. What is the latest on any addition to the team during December?

thanks

 

1. No one can confirm with certainty.
2. Nothing is etched in stone but we hope to add Amir Garret and a jc forward.

 

[redmannorth]

Don't be a nitpick I was at both games and know that they went to the Final Four in 85 (I was in Lexington also).

Mullin's team went to the round of 16 in 1983 where they were upset by Georgia in the Carrier Dome. They did not go to the final four.  

  

 

And you don't tell me what or what not to be. In case you never read the site rules you are allowed to correct posters who post false information. And whether in fact you were at the final four in 1985 has zero to do with your initial post.

 

[fun]

But when used together with what he wrote right before it "Missing the first makes the second do or die. Unfortunately, it was a painful death, and we lost. " he didn't have any bad intentions and even reading it again for me personally I have no problem with it and I use the term do or die probably at least once every game without thinking of a players life story.

Yes but you're either missing or ignoring the real irony, which is not the death reference, that was just the horribly insensitive cherry on the ignorant cake. See, Lindsey's two brothers were murdered and his best friend died a horrible death from cancer, right? That is a tragedy beyond the comprehension of all but the most unfortunate of people. In the wake of which he gave up the game of basketball, which I assume was the thing he did best in the world and something he loved. In overccoming those tragedies and making his way to SJ he has already shown more resilience than most people show in a lifetime. So he doesn't need some aging fanboi to tell him to keep his head up because he missed a free throw, which miss was is like painful death, because his head is already held up, in the face of real human tragedy, as opposed to some dopey basketball game. His head was up before he missed, and after, and not up his ass either, as are the heads of so many posters here.

Beast meant well.

I'm sure he did, he's something of a nitwit. I expect more from you, you ride a camel.

 

[mjmaherjr]

But when used together with what he wrote right before it "Missing the first makes the second do or die. Unfortunately, it was a painful death, and we lost. " he didn't have any bad intentions and even reading it again for me personally I have no problem with it and I use the term do or die probably at least once every game without thinking of a players life story.

Yes but you're either missing or ignoring the real irony, which is not the death reference, that was just the horribly insensitive cherry on the ignorant cake. See, Lindsey's two brothers were murdered and his best friend died a horrible death from cancer, right? That is a tragedy beyond the comprehension of all but the most unfortunate of people. In the wake of which he gave up the game of basketball, which I assume was the thing he did best in the world and something he loved. In overccoming those tragedies and making his way to SJ he has already shown more resilience than most people show in a lifetime. So he doesn't need some aging fanboi to tell him to keep his head up because he missed a free throw, which miss was is like painful death, because his head is already held up, in the face of real human tragedy, as opposed to some dopey basketball game. His head was up before he missed, and after, and not up his ass either, as are the heads of so many posters here.

Beast meant well.

I'm sure he did, he's something of a nitwit. I expect more from you, you ride a camel.

 

I understand what you're saying about what Nuri has overcome etc.

But no matter what he has overcome he is still a kid. The Post reported that he was distraught after the game. Some fans on boards ( which a lot of the player read ) and I assume twitter can be pretty d@mn mean when something goes wrong or when times get tough. It doesnt matter what someone has overcome in life they still have feelings.

But let me put it another way. Here is what Nuri said on his Facebook page last night a few hours after the game



"Received alot of criticism tonight for the tough loss. But i wonder do people know that im just leaving the gym at my school from putting up extra shots and free-throws?... Long season, I'll continue to get better."


Well obviously he knew about the criticism he was getting from reading something or hearing from people who read something and it meant enough to him to write that on his Facebook page.

So regardless in my semi-humble opinion ( ok not really humble but that was my attempt at being humble ) at least I do think it does help when someone doesn't pile on the kid during a really tough moment and offers encouragement and whether Nuri sees it or not ( and I think he does because a lot of the kids and recruits read the boards which KOB has stated many times ) I think it's refreshing to see.

As far as expecting more from me don't. I just ride the camel to save on gas which makes me a liberal    

 

[REB]

We know that players read everything about them, including on here, so here goes:

Anyone who ever bounced a ball in a schoolyeard by himself has played this game in his head: Almost no time left, and you are at the free throw stripe with the game on the line. In a vacant schoolyard, it's easy to nail two. When the moment arrives with the game on the line for real, the higher the stakes, the smaller the hoop becomes.

Nurideen Lindsey missed two yesterday - one would have tied it, two would have cinched it. Missing the first makes the second do or die. Unfortunately, it was a painful death, and we lost.

Nurideen, you're in good company among Redmen heroes:

VILLANOVA BEATS ST. JOHN'S BY 1
.By GORDON S. WHITE Jr., Special to the New York Times (The New York Times); Sports Desk
February 27, 1983, Sunday
Late City Final Edition, Section 5, Page 1, Column 1, 859 words

John Pinone, Villanova's senior center, sank a 20-foot jump shot at the buzzer of overtime today to give the Wildcats a thrilling 71-70 victory over St. John's in a battle for first place in the Big East Conference. Chris Mullin, St. John's leading scorer who had 24 points in the game, had just broken a 69-69 tie by sinking the first of two free throws with seven seconds left. When Mullin missed the second free throw, the 6-foot-8-inch Pinone rebounded, then threw up court to Stewart Granger, another senior. Granger passed back to Pinone just behind the top of the key. There was not enough time left to do anything but shoot, and Pinone did. The ball dropped cleanly through and set off several minutes of screaming and cheering by the crowd of 17,583 in the Spectrum.

*NOTE: CHRIS MULLIN IS SJU'S ALL TIME LEADING FT % SHOOTER AT .847 

As second game stands out, at Alumni Hall (Canesecca Arena) in 1980 vs. Syracuse. Bernard Rencher, our best FT shooter at the line, 5 seconds to go with a 1 and 1 that would clinch the win. Make one, a tie is guaranteed, make both, game over (no three point shot). Rencher misses the front end, Syracuse races up court, and Louis Orr hits a layup over Reggie Carter as the buzzer goes off.

Disappointing losses. Free throw misses by our best FT shooter ever (and HOF'er) and by one of our better players in our history (Rencher). they both lived to see another day. SJU went 24-5 in 1980 and tied for 1st in conference. Mullin's team as you know went to the Final Four.

There will be plenty of great days ahead for Nurideen Lindsey and we've seen just a glimpse of what he can do. We're excited. Shake it off, kid. You're in pretty good company with the guys mentioned above. Now, go out, and keep showing us what you can do.

 

Well said Beast. Keep your head up Nuri. The future is bright!

 

[beast of the east]

Anyone who has been a fan of the program knows that 1985 was our FF season. I don't think it served any real purpose to comment on that, do you? The point wa sthat Mullin led teams eventually went to the FF. Did you have a hard time comrpehending that?

Don't be a nitpick I was at both games and know that they went to the Final Four in 85 (I was in Lexington also).

Mullin's team went to the round of 16 in 1983 where they were upset by Georgia in the Carrier Dome. They did not go to the final four.  

  

 

And you don't tell me what or what not to be. In case you never read the site rules you are allowed to correct posters who post false information. And whether in fact you were at the final four in 1985 has zero to do with your initial post.

 

 

[redmannorth]

Anyone who has been a fan of the program knows that 1985 was our FF season. I don't think it served any real purpose to comment on that, do you? The point wa sthat Mullin led teams eventually went to the FF. Did you have a hard time comrpehending that?

Don't be a nitpick I was at both games and know that they went to the Final Four in 85 (I was in Lexington also).

Mullin's team went to the round of 16 in 1983 where they were upset by Georgia in the Carrier Dome. They did not go to the final four.  

  

 

And you don't tell me what or what not to be. In case you never read the site rules you are allowed to correct posters who post false information. And whether in fact you were at the final four in 1985 has zero to do with your initial post.

 

 

I know we went to the final four in 1985 but that was not what I said in my post. In my post I said we did not go the final four in 1983 after Mullin recovered from missing the free throw that led to Villanova winning. We lost to Georgia in the round of 16 at Syracuse. If anything my comprehension is perfect and yours seems sketchy at best.
If you feel my post was of little or no purpose you are free to bypass same, I will not be offended in the slightest manner.

 

[redmannorth]

I understand what you're saying about what Nuri has overcome etc.

But no matter what he has overcome he is still a kid. The Post reported that he was distraught after the game. Some fans on boards ( which a lot of the player read ) and I assume twitter can be pretty d@mn mean when something goes wrong or when times get tough. It doesnt matter what someone has overcome in life they still have feelings.
But let me put it another way. Here is what Nuri said on his Facebook page last night a few hours after the game

"Received alot of criticism tonight for the tough loss. But i wonder do people know that im just leaving the gym at my school from putting up extra shots and free-throws?... Long season, I'll continue to get better."
 

 

Well perhaps the post should have been directed at the members of our idiotic fan base who criticized the kid after the loss. IMHO that would have made a great deal more sense. However, that is just my opinion.
The facts are:
We have one returning player who has received very little playing time over the last two seasons and who is not a high level BE player.
We have less experience than any team in Division 1.
Our Coach has been absent for 4-5 weeks recovering from cancer surgery.
Rico has been absent lately recovering from surgery.
We have seven scholarship players excluding walk-ons and Jamal White who was awarded a scholarship by Coach Lavin.
GG and a few other players had little impact in the game.
The fact that we went down to the wire against a top 20 team in our 5th game of the season is a testament to how good a player Nuri is and how well he played and kept his team in the game almost singlehandedly.

I repeat again the problem is not NURI in any way shape or manner it is our ridiculous fan base.

 

[beast of the east]

As far as a nitwit, what do you think would remind Nurideen more of the loss in his life, my post, or your reference to his brother's death?

If you must know, Lindsey has two tattoo's on him that memorialize his brothers. One is above his eyebrow, the other on his shoulder. He was quoted as saying that he did it so that every day he will remember his brothers and be reminded of them every time he looks in a mirror.

Some of his former coaches and teachers have remarked that Nuri is an incredibly bright young man, who in another life could have been an Ivy Leaguer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/sports/ncaabasketball/03recruit.html

The author of this article took notice that in Lindsey's neighborhood there are constant reminders of how many murders and senseless deaths have taken place by the number of curbside memorials. A reality of nearly all of are players is that in the neighborhoods that many come from, homicides are so common, nearly everyone has a friend or family maker who succumbed to the streets.

To have some washout attorney from upstate NY nitpick at metaphors that are commonly used in sports is an indicator of just the kind of

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/sports/ncaabasketball/03recruit.html


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I'm sure he did, he's something of a nitwit. I expect more from you, you ride a camel.[/quote]  

 

[otis]

 That Syracuse lose still goes down as the worst for me..... when Orr hit that shot...

 

What made that Syracuse loss worse was that the referee swallowed his whistle and failed to call the obvious charge by Orr into Redmen great Reggie Carter on the game losing play.

___

Nurideen, on the off chance you read this post, please stay focused, if you do, then good things will happen.

 

[MCNPA]

The fact that some of these "fans" are so quick to criticize astounds me. Leave the kid alone. Kid is a fantastic and dynamic player. He'll get a ton better as will the team. hope Nuri doesn't take some of the moronic comments to heart. SJU fans are going to enjoy him for the next few years. Once again Nuri, is is just fans being fans and it would happen at just about every program. Play through it. Rewards will be reaped playing tourney games over next few years.

 

[fun]

As far as a nitwit, what do you think would remind Nurideen more of the loss in his life, my post, or your reference to his brother's death?

The point of my remarks, which seem to have gone whooshing over your head despite several excrutiating explications thereof, is that I don't think he needs to be reminded, not of what happened, and not of the lessons he learned from what happened. I doubt Lindsey wastes his time reading this site and hope he has better things to do. Regardless, your remarks were intrinsically vulgar. Whether he read them or what his reaction to them might be is irrelevant.

If you must know, Lindsey has two tattoo's on him that memorialize his brothers.

Yes, everyone knows that. It's common knowledge and just in case anyone's been in a coma for the last year it's repeated at least once every SJ broadcast. This just in: Louie wore a sweater, film at eleven.

To have some washout attorney from upstate NY nitpick at metaphors that are commonly used in sports is an indicator of just the kind of

I'll skip over your fantasies about what I do for a living and how well, for fear that it might devolve into a discussion of what you imagine I'm wearing while doing so. (Although as an aside to my brothers at bar, when people ask me where I practice I always reply: Oh, I don't have to practice, I'm quite good. Fell free to use that, it always gets a laugh.)

Comparing a missed free throw to a "painful death" is not a common sports metaphor, and even if it were it would still be tasteless in this context, just as if during a discussion of the Kennedys you waxed nostalgic about a touch football game at Hyanisport where someone rifled a bullet pass to towards JFK's head. Just as it would be tasteless to use the expression "not to beat a dead horse" in a discussion of Barbaro, just as it would be tasteless to describe Michael Vick's prison stint as "dog eat dog," just as if you might not want, in a discussion of Chris Benoit, to say that your opponent was "given enough rope to hang himself."

In context, these otherwise commonplace metaphors become tasteless. Two threads over I described the alleged details of Matthew Shepherd's murder as a "fairytale." See what I did there? A harmless common metaphor that becomes tasteless in context. The difference is that I mean to be offensive. As you so cleverly sherlocked out with that super computer you call a brain, this photo of

 

[MJDinkins]

it is our ridiculous fan base.

 

Moose said this about a year ago. I was trying to give some the benefit of the doubt because we had practically come off a decade of poor basketball. I can see what he truly means with each passing day. 

 

[beast of the east]

As far as a nitwit, what do you think would remind Nurideen more of the loss in his life, my post, or your reference to his brother's death?

The point of my remarks, which seem to have gone whooshing over your head despite several excrutiating explications thereof, is that I don't think he needs to be reminded, not of what happened, and not of the lessons he learned from what happened. I doubt Lindsey wastes his time reading this site and hope he has better things to do. Regardless, your remarks were intrinsically vulgar. Whether he read them or what his reaction to them might be is irrelevant.

If you must know, Lindsey has two tattoo's on him that memorialize his brothers.

Yes, everyone knows that. It's common knowledge and just in case anyone's been in a coma for the last year it's repeated at least once every SJ broadcast. This just in: Louie wore a sweater, film at eleven.

To have some washout attorney from upstate NY nitpick at metaphors that are commonly used in sports is an indicator of just the kind of

I'll skip over your fantasies about what I do for a living and how well, for fear that it might devolve into a discussion of what you imagine I'm wearing while doing so. (Although as an aside to my brothers at bar, when people ask me where I practice I always reply: Oh, I don't have to practice, I'm quite good. Fell free to use that, it always gets a laugh.)

Comparing a missed free throw to a "painful death" is not a common sports metaphor, and even if it were it would still be tasteless in this context, just as if during a discussion of the Kennedys you waxed nostalgic about a touch football game at Hyanisport where someone rifled a bullet pass to towards JFK's head. Just as it would be tasteless to use the expression "not to beat a dead horse" in a discussion of Barbaro, just as it would be tasteless to describe Michael Vick's prison stint as "dog eat dog," just as if you might not want, in a discussion of Chris Benoit, to say that your opponent was "given enough rope to hang himself."

In context, these otherwise commonplace metaphors become tasteless. Two threads over I described the alleged details of Matthew Shepherd's murder as a "fairytale." See what I did there? A harmless common metaphor that becomes tasteless in context. The difference is that I mean to be offensive. As you so cleverly sherlocked out with that super computer you call a brain, this photo of

 

[beast of the east]

This is my final post on the subject. The post was clearly designed to encourage a new SJU player who faile din the clutch. Your post, and one other person here (a moderator), were designed to detract from a poster. I'm comfortable being an encourager. You guys clearly comfortable instigating and being detractors.

The moderator in question (Redmannorth) edited my response to you calling me a nitwit, adding a comment "Beast cannot insult other posters", by failing to even recognize that it was a response to an insult. I'm pretty much done with both of you.

As far as a nitwit, what do you think would remind Nurideen more of the loss in his life, my post, or your reference to his brother's death?

If you must know, Lindsey has two tattoo's on him that memorialize his brothers. One is above his eyebrow, the other on his shoulder. He was quoted as saying that he did it so that every day he will remember his brothers and be reminded of them every time he looks in a mirror.

Some of his former coaches and teachers have remarked that Nuri is an incredibly bright young man, who in another life could have been an Ivy Leaguer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/sports/ncaabasketball/03recruit.html

The author of this article took notice that in Lindsey's neighborhood there are constant reminders of how many murders and senseless deaths have taken place by the number of curbside memorials. A reality of nearly all of are players is that in the neighborhoods that many come from, homicides are so common, nearly everyone has a friend or family maker who succumbed to the streets.

To have some washout attorney from upstate NY nitpick at metaphors that are commonly used in sports is an indicator of just the kind of

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/sports/ncaabasketball/03recruit.html


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I'm sure he did, he's something of a nitwit. I expect more from you, you ride a camel.[/quote]  [/quote] 

 

[redstorm80]

Good post, i'm glad you made it. No one was harder on himself then Nuri was, last thing he needs is people in his ear most of whom never picked up a basketball. Bottom line is it was the 5th game of the year, there is no need for the panic/criticizism that I was hearing about. Alot of basketball to be played stay positive and supportive