Goodman’s AA Team / Ponds

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G – Shamorie Ponds, 6-1, 175, Jr., St. John’s – The Brooklyn native will be the key if the Red Storm are to get back to the NCAA tourney. He’s one of the most electric scorers in the country, but he’s hardly one-dimensional. He rebounds well for his position and also averaged nearly five assists per game last year.

Stats: 21.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.7 apg

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How does everyone feel about Ponds as a point guard now that seems to be his role?
 
[quote="Andrew" post=300406]How does everyone feel about Ponds as a point guard now that seems to be his role?[/quote]

It was already his role all of last year. Simon helped but Ponds was the PG from game 1.
I think we should all feel really good about it.
 
Hopefully his ball handling will improve. It certainly needs to be better to make it to the NBA.
 
His ball handling and passing skills are there, he seems to get a little lackadaisical with the rock here and there though. I wish he would be a little more like Jalen Brunson in regard to that. Brunson always seemed to protect the ball and play under control while being very effective. Shamorie definitely prefers to play with more flair.
 
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[quote="ron s m" post=300425]Hopefully his ball handling will improve. It certainly needs to be better to make it to the NBA.[/quote]

Not sure I can think of one time where he’s had his pocket picked.
 
[quote="ron s m" post=300434]He had a number of games last season with 6 or more turnovers.[/quote]

Fair point. Personally I don’t think his handle is the/a problem.
 
Agree. I think his main problem in making the NBA is his three point shooting. I think it was something like 25.3% last year. An undersized guard needs to shoot a better percentage than that.
 
Since he got here he had to to it all pass score rebound plat off the ball with the ball etc etc his game now can be more defined as he had a weak team now he has a strong team his option are greatly increased toward his success
 
WHile I can appreciate the regard for Ponds as a pre-season AA, there is enormous refinement that Ponds has to attain in order to play his way into the first round of the NBA draft.

First, the NBA will favor bigger guards between 6'4" and 6'7". All things being equal, they will choose a bigger guard.

Second, while I'd say Ponds has the quickness to slip inside, he doesn't possess the incredible quickness that would be an equalizer for his lack of height. He can penetrate on college front lines, but in the pros the talent gets bigger, longer, quicker and stronger.

Third, Ponds needs a faster trigger. At his size, he must be catch and shoot, and be deadly at it. Watch the Warriors, and while that's a high bar, they have lights out shooters who don't need any daylight to sink money shots. Right now, Ponds has to load up to shoot, and at the shorter college distance, isn't money in the bank. IS he a shooter or a scorer. If a scorer, the NBA may discount him, but if he is seen as a great shooter, someone may take a shot on him. He has to improve dramatically though, definitely into the 40s from three at least.

Fourth, Passing. While Ponds is capable of the show stopping great passes, he doesn't seem to make a lot of simple great passes. You know, the type that breaks down defenses, and in almost computer like fashion, identifies all the 3 on 2's or 2 on 1's that exist in a half court offense. In short, the stuff that you really want a great point guard to do. At present, Ponds as a combo, isn't even a great college point guard, and that is a role he'd have to assume in the pros at his size.

Fifth, Rebounding. In college, Ponds has a nose for the ball. Watch him in isolation. A shot goes up, and Shamorie has his eyes on the shot, especially when he is on the weak side, and goes where his defender, or the man he is covering doesn't - towards the rim. Often he get great, unimpeded, position, where he is a surprisingly good leaper. It remains to be seen if NBA scouts will undervalue his college rebounds as an anomally due to less athletic players giving him the space to sneak him unguarded for rebounds. Not saying he couldn't do this against bigger competition, but saying it's doubtful.

Ballhandling - already stated above, he has to be more careful with the ball, and show that he isn't just safely bringing the ball upcourt, but the conductor of the symphony. To that extent, as Ponds goes, St. John's goes, especially as the competition gets better.

All that being said, I hope he puts it all together and has a fantastic season. The better Ponds does, the more we will win, and that will help everything, from attendance, to rankings, to recruiting. At this juncture, more than likely will be his last season here, but Nova has at least one 4 year player go in the 1st round, no?
 
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Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.
 
Excellent analysis! I too hope he puts it all together. However, at his current skill level I would not at all be surprised if he goes undrafted.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=300465]Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.[/quote]

Alternatively he could have a jr season akin to Kemba's and then jump. If he takes the team to the national title that would be fine too. ;)
 
Beast - great analysis. I disagree that his height is that much of an issue if he can turn into a true point guard. As a shooting guard or combo guard he would have almost no shot to even see the court in one game. There are a number of successful NBA point guards that are 6’ and 6’1 but you have to show the skills that you pointed out. Last year he shared ball handling duties with Lovett until he stopped playing as well as Simon. This year he will be the lead guard except for the few minutes a game he sits. I’m my opinion he is just starting out as a point guard.

I think he needs to improve on the following. Hopefully having scoring options like Herron and Figueroa will let him accomplish some of these.

Shot selection - not only does he need to improve his 3 point percentage, I believe he needs to improve his 2 point percentage as well. It’s ok if he scores less points in making this transition.
Assist/Turnover Ration - This has been less then 2:1 the last two seasons. Has to improve to better then 2:1. The closer to 3:1 the better.

Defense - has to continue to improve his defense without his steal numbers going down.

I hope he has a great season.

I can’t see the above happening in one season so I believe his best shot at playing in the NBA as a useful player is sticking it out two more seasons.

It’s more important to develop these skills then to worry about where you are drafted.
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=300465]Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.[/quote]

I agree, but the problem is that once a kid barely decides to come back for his junior year, how often does he stick around for senior year?
 
[quote="L J S A" post=300477][quote="bamafan" post=300465]Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.[/quote]

I agree, but the problem is that once a kid barely decides to come back for his junior year, how often does he stick around for senior year?[/quote]
Happened with a Bama hoopster Braxton Key who not only returned to Bama last year for soph year but this year transferred to Virgina and somehow got a waiver for immediate eligibility.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=300465]Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.[/quote]

I agree 100% with Beast’s evaluation. A professional scout couldn't have done better. The only thing I would add is that after watching Slick since his days at Jeff, one deficiency has not been corrected as yet and which may affect his draft status and that is his intensity throughout the entire game. Slick has a tendency to Slack when playing against less talented opponents. The first exhibition game was an example of his lack of focus. His outside shooting was with casual indifference to his teammates. He has the talent and the tools. He needs more motivation from the coaches imo.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=300486][quote="bamafan" post=300465]Great honest assessment beast and what I have heard from an NBA scout who is not very high on him as an NBA player right now. You didn't even mention his defense. I know everybody is in a big hurry these days but ponds could use 2 years of stellar point guard play at the collegiate level before I can see him making it in the NBA straight out of college at least IMHO.[/quote]

I agree 100% with Beast’s evaluation. A professional scout couldn't have done better. The only thing I would add is that after watching Slick since his days at Jeff, one deficiency has not been corrected as yet and which may affect his draft status and that is his intensity throughout the entire game. Slick has a tendency to Slack when playing against less talented opponents. The first exhibition game was an example of his lack of focus. His outside shooting was with casual indifference to his teammates. He has the talent and the tools. He needs more motivation from the coaches imo.[/quote]

Very good catch and i know staff has been on it from Day 1.
 
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