Goodman’s “Coaches on Hot Seat”

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Jeff Goodman loves to zing SJU, but fwiw:

Chris Mullin, St. John’s

Overall Record: 38-60 (3 seasons)

Contract Situation: Signed thru 2020

Mullin was a legendary player whose return was welcomed by the alumni, and he’s brought some talent into the program, but it has yet to result in a postseason appearance. The Red Storm have progressed in their overall win total each year from 8 to 14 to 16, but they only won four Big East games this past season. I’d be shocked if Mullin was fired after this season, but it wouldn’t shock me to see him resign if he can’t get the program back on track – at least to the NIT.

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Fair analysis. I think he's actually more generous than most SJU fans would be with that NIT comment (should say NCAA).
 
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Other than Norm every coach since Louie winds up on the "HOT SEAT" after their 2nd year. Should just change name to ST John's Red Hot Seats
 
Wonder why Jeff Goodman "loves to zing SJU"?
Did we diss him somehow...way back in the day when we were 'relevant'?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=298746]Wonder why Jeff Goodman "loves to zing SJU"?
Did we diss him somehow...way back in the day when we were 'relevant'?[/quote]

1- He's not wrong
2- He has always had a hard on for SJU especially post Norm. He was buddy buddy with Norm for some reason.
 
[quote="Moose" post=298748][quote="Chicago Days" post=298746]Wonder why Jeff Goodman "loves to zing SJU"?
Did we diss him somehow...way back in the day when we were 'relevant'?[/quote]

1- He's not wrong
2- He has always had a hard on for SJU especially post Norm. He was buddy buddy with Norm for some reason.[/quote]

Didn't say he was 'wrong'. He's right in raising the issue.
We have to win on the court--not 'look good' on paper.
Was curious, 'when' he turned critic.
Thanks.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=298750][quote="Moose" post=298748][quote="Chicago Days" post=298746]Wonder why Jeff Goodman "loves to zing SJU"?
Did we diss him somehow...way back in the day when we were 'relevant'?[/quote]

1- He's not wrong
2- He has always had a hard on for SJU especially post Norm. He was buddy buddy with Norm for some reason.[/quote]

Didn't say he was 'wrong'. He's right in raising the issue.
We have to win on the court--not 'look good' on paper.
Was curious, 'when' he turned critic.
Thanks.[/quote]

I think he's just a muckraker, in general. His constant defenses of Lavar Ball should serve as proof of that.
 
That would be saying he a quitter and he is no quitter Mo they would have to firer him and if he rights the ship this yr and gets us into the dance he stays
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=298746]Wonder why Jeff Goodman "loves to zing SJU"?
Did we diss him somehow...way back in the day when we were 'relevant'?[/quote] Did we somehow miss when HE was relevant?? Total tool.
 
[quote="Storm Tracker" post=298749]i dont like goodman at all but everything he says is true. I suspect he would resign as well if no NCAA[/quote]

I'm not sure how hot seat actually is this season due to timing of Cragg hire, but it would be red hot next season if this one is a flop.

Only way he's not back in 2019-20 in my mind is if we suck, but Ponds, Heron, and Simon all decide to come back to go out as winners. It would be too enticing a job at that point to retain Mullin.

But I agree Mullin would step down -- or "step down" -- before having to be fired under any circumstances beyond the improbable scenario above.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=298756][quote="Storm Tracker" post=298749]i dont like goodman at all but everything he says is true. I suspect he would resign as well if no NCAA[/quote]

I'm not sure how hot seat actually is this season due to timing of Cragg hire, but it would be red hot next season if this one is a flop.

Only way he's not back in 2019-20 in my mind is if we suck, but Ponds, Heron, and Simon all decide to come back to go out as winners. It would be too enticing a job at that point to retain Mullin.

But I agree Mullin would step down -- or "step down" -- before having to be fired under any circumstances beyond the improbable scenario above.[/quote]

According to most opinions his seat is "very very hot" this season. He's cognizant enough of his precarious situation and seems neither he nor Richmond are in any rush to buy a permanent residence in the NY area. Smart move. Especially if he loses his top recruits to Hurley. Their name recognition and Hall of Fame status hasn't made a dent in the perception of recruits, pundits and now, many fans. Without an NCAA tournament invitation and the signing of a major recruit there will not be a 5th year in my humble opinion.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=298760][quote="L J S A" post=298756][quote="Storm Tracker" post=298749]i dont like goodman at all but everything he says is true. I suspect he would resign as well if no NCAA[/quote]

I'm not sure how hot seat actually is this season due to timing of Cragg hire, but it would be red hot next season if this one is a flop.

Only way he's not back in 2019-20 in my mind is if we suck, but Ponds, Heron, and Simon all decide to come back to go out as winners. It would be too enticing a job at that point to retain Mullin.

But I agree Mullin would step down -- or "step down" -- before having to be fired under any circumstances beyond the improbable scenario above.[/quote]

According to most opinions his seat is "very very hot" this season. He's cognizant enough of his precarious situation and seems neither he nor Richmond are in any rush to buy a permanent residence in the NY area. Smart move. Especially if he loses his top recruits to Hurley. Their name recognition and Hall of Fame status hasn't made a dent in the perception of recruits, pundits and now, many fans. Without an NCAA tournament invitation and the signing of a major recruit there will not be a 5th year in my humble opinion.[/quote]

What if the season is a hit, but we strike out on recruits, except for some magical sit-out transfers?
 
Chicago Days wrote: What if the season is a hit, but we strike out on recruits, except for some magical sit-out transfers?

If Johnnies have a very good year, as in getting to Big Dance and winning a game or two once there, Mullin will be the toast of the town, big 2019 HS recruit or no big 2019 HS recruit. That's not to say missing on a major 2019 HS recruit won't be troubling, but let's be realistic, it would be first time in appx. 20 years we'd won an NCAA game or two so he'd hardly be on hot seat
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=298764]Chicago Days wrote: What if the season is a hit, but we strike out on recruits, except for some magical sit-out transfers?

If Johnnies have a very good year, as in getting to Big Dance and winning a game or two once there, Mullin will be the toast of the town, big 2019 HS recruit or no big 2019 HS recruit. That's not to say missing on a major 2019 HS recruit won't be troubling, but let's be realistic, it would be first time in appx. 20 years we'd won an NCAA game or two so he'd hardly be on hot seat[/quote]

Yes, my view as well.
Grumbling on this Board but otherwise support.
 
Most people seem to think the ending of this season will be black/white as to whether Mullin should remain coach. I actually think it'll end in a gray area, just like Lavin's final season.

My prediction:
*We barely make the Tournament as a bubble team (hurt by a weak SOS). Lose in the first round during the 7/10 or 8/9 game.
*We lose most of the team after the season, however nobody goes in the 1st Round of the NBA Draft. One player goes in the second round, with two others going to the D-League/overseas.
*We pick up another recruit in the 100+ range, but nobody else of significance. Outlook for 2019-20 isn't bright.

In that case, yes I think he would deserve another season or two. But it wouldn't exactly be a huge success and fans would still be divisive about him. He'd go right back to the hot seat for the next two years. Very similar to Lavin's final season, with the difference being Mullin would have more pieces coming back. Lavin did manage to get Brandon Sampson in his final season, though, and recruiting remains a huge concern.

Just a thought. Anything can happen. We may have several major injuries and make the NIT, for example. Then what?
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=298762][quote="Class of 72" post=298760][quote="L J S A" post=298756][quote="Storm Tracker" post=298749]i dont like goodman at all but everything he says is true. I suspect he would resign as well if no NCAA[/quote]

I'm not sure how hot seat actually is this season due to timing of Cragg hire, but it would be red hot next season if this one is a flop.

Only way he's not back in 2019-20 in my mind is if we suck, but Ponds, Heron, and Simon all decide to come back to go out as winners. It would be too enticing a job at that point to retain Mullin.

But I agree Mullin would step down -- or "step down" -- before having to be fired under any circumstances beyond the improbable scenario above.[/quote]

According to most opinions his seat is "very very hot" this season. He's cognizant enough of his precarious situation and seems neither he nor Richmond are in any rush to buy a permanent residence in the NY area. Smart move. Especially if he loses his top recruits to Hurley. Their name recognition and Hall of Fame status hasn't made a dent in the perception of recruits, pundits and now, many fans. Without an NCAA tournament invitation and the signing of a major recruit there will not be a 5th year in my humble opinion.[/quote]

What if the season is a hit, but we strike out on recruits, except for some magical sit-out transfers?[/quote]



If the season is a hit, it will show that Mullin and the staff can coach talent. Since Precious and Kofi plan to sign in the spring, if we have a good season, make the NCAA tourney, and win a couple of games there is a very good chance they will come to St Johns.
 
[quote="panther2" post=298769][quote="Chicago Days" post=298762][quote="Class of 72" post=298760][quote="L J S A" post=298756][quote="Storm Tracker" post=298749]i dont like goodman at all but everything he says is true. I suspect he would resign as well if no NCAA[/quote]

I'm not sure how hot seat actually is this season due to timing of Cragg hire, but it would be red hot next season if this one is a flop.

Only way he's not back in 2019-20 in my mind is if we suck, but Ponds, Heron, and Simon all decide to come back to go out as winners. It would be too enticing a job at that point to retain Mullin.

But I agree Mullin would step down -- or "step down" -- before having to be fired under any circumstances beyond the improbable scenario above.[/quote]

According to most opinions his seat is "very very hot" this season. He's cognizant enough of his precarious situation and seems neither he nor Richmond are in any rush to buy a permanent residence in the NY area. Smart move. Especially if he loses his top recruits to Hurley. Their name recognition and Hall of Fame status hasn't made a dent in the perception of recruits, pundits and now, many fans. Without an NCAA tournament invitation and the signing of a major recruit there will not be a 5th year in my humble opinion.[/quote]

What if the season is a hit, but we strike out on recruits, except for some magical sit-out transfers?[/quote]



If the season is a hit, it will show that Mullin and the staff can coach talent. Since Precious and Kofi plan to sign in the spring, if we have a good season, make the NCAA tourney, and win a couple of games there is a very good chance they will come to St Johns.[/quote]

Wouldn't we all love that to happen?
And I think it might, but it is frustrating to 'perceive' lack of follow-through on the recruiting front and have to rely on a great season to attract the talent that other coaches bring in with hard work.
Here's to a great season and to recruiting success as well--whatever the 'mix' of it is.
 
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Most important season for the program in a long time. If no tourney then likely no recruits to replace 3 or 4 starters that may all be gone. I don't know what excuse can be concocted if no dancing this season.. Then what? Who knows. Some made up story that requires Mullin to move back to Cali? It's now or never, isn't it?
 
Not sure what is more full of crap, Jeff Goodman’s work or his gigantic butt chin
 
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