Getting personal

Panther2 wrote: Loved watching NYU when Barry Kramer and Happy Hairston were playing in the early 60's. They had a guard, Mal Graham, who played a few years for the Celtics and went on to become a Judge. I think what bothers me the most about sports today is that too many of our youth do not see a life beyond sports. They are not prepared for the real world when the ball stops bouncing.

One of the things I love about this site is being reminded of some great basketball memories I'd forgotten about (age does that to you). I had completely forgotten about Mal Graham but that NYU team was one of the first years I started following college basketball. Kramer, Hairston & Graham - what a team that was. Now that Panther brought up Mal, I can vividly recall him in a Celtics uniform. And of course Hairston had a very fine NBA career.
 
[quote="Logen" post=302797]Dinkin’s and I couldn’t be further apart as far as Lavin is concerned but I respect him for sticking to his guns. Were I to meet him, I would gladly buy him a beer and go right on arguing.[/quote]

Would you buy Lavin a beer?
 
On a slightly related note, does anyone know if Tom in Salem is ok? He hasn't posted in a few months.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=302843][quote="Logen" post=302797]Dinkin’s and I couldn’t be further apart as far as Lavin is concerned but I respect him for sticking to his guns. Were I to meet him, I would gladly buy him a beer and go right on arguing.[/quote]

Would you buy Lavin a beer?[/quote]
Logen “shares the sugar”
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=302843][quote="Logen" post=302797]Dinkin’s and I couldn’t be further apart as far as Lavin is concerned but I respect him for sticking to his guns. Were I to meet him, I would gladly buy him a beer and go right on arguing.[/quote]

Would you buy Lavin a beer?[/quote] moister brau
 
[quote="Room112" post=302844]On a slightly related note, does anyone know if Tom in Salem is ok? He hasn't posted in a few months.[/quote] Tomis fine. He is out everywhere for dinner with his wife on fb :)
 
I am relatively new and have really enjoyed all the info and perspectives on this board, but the negative and demeaning characteristics of some posts toward sju and its personnel really hurts...furthermore Im always worried that the young kids, players and prospective students are reading this. If so, this hurts the University...On another note I was thinking about our bench and Mullin who tends to give most minutes to the starters....and then it hit me...isnt that what louie used to do? Not sure whether having a short bench is good or bad, but I do remember louie doing same...
 
I remember reading this board 5 years ago and some of the comments that were directed at Coach Lavin were disgusting and nobody locked the threads or did anything.

Now if someone criticizes Mullin even a bit it is like you committed a crime. I think it is fair to criticize if warranted but some people on this board think he can do no wrong! A lot of posters on this board were not around in 80's and they want to see wins they could care less what Chris Mullin was back then. He should be judged on what he is doing today!
 
[quote="SI1996" post=302801][quote="mjmaherjr" post=302790]Mullin thread locked but let’s just address one thing getting personal. Beast brought up good points sometimes we all get personal with criticism. 72 brought up good points too people got flat out nasty with Lavin way overboard and some unfounded like Mullin. We just had a an excellent win we will have struggles. I’m guilty of getting personal Mullins first year ( I don’t regret one scorers table comment but I made drinking Perrier comments on the sideline I was so angry ) in hindsight I 100% regret that part because he drinks that stuff for a reason and I’m sorry for even bringing that up but you love and you learn. Not all knocks are personal and we have right to express opinion but just like we shouldn’t knock posters in a personal way we should do staff same respect. Another thing I have been guilty of is joking Matt’s height. It is what it is and I don’t have bad intentions but I apologize for that .at the same time the condescending stuff to other posters including younger ones needs to stop. We are all fans and we are all in this together. Opposing views are great and I love watching arguing but the bettervthan thou stuff and knocking people we all including me have to stop. We gotta bunch of great guys here let’s keep it that way. Just my opinion[/quote] FWIW I don't think the Perrier comments were bad and I am a recovering alcoholic that hasn't even made his first year yet. If coming from someone else maybe but I have read enough of your posts through the years that I know you wouldn't mean anything by it. And we agree about the scorers table :)[/quote] Yeah I didnt mean anything by it ( especially not knowing the reason but once I found out the reason I never brought it up again and that's something I've always regretted even mentioning ). The scorers table rants though I'm very proud of :)
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=302857]I remember reading this board 5 years ago and some of the comments that were directed at Coach Lavin were disgusting and nobody locked the threads or did anything.

Now if someone criticizes Mullin even a bit it is like you committed a crime. I think it is fair to criticize if warranted but some people on this board think he can do no wrong! A lot of posters on this board were not around in 80's and they want to see wins they could care less what Chris Mullin was back then. He should be judged on what he is doing today![/quote] Agreed. I'm all for criticism just not personal stuff like when especially when families get mentioned and some other stuff. I'm definitely not cool with any of that. knock games coaching or whatever in a respectable way. I'm fine with that. People can knock me and it wont bother me generally unless they question my integrity or motives but if someone thinks a post of mine is ridiculous call it out it doesn't bother me. We can all do that without getting personal
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=302857]I remember reading this board 5 years ago and some of the comments that were directed at Coach Lavin were disgusting and nobody locked the threads or did anything.

Now if someone criticizes Mullin even a bit it is like you committed a crime. I think it is fair to criticize if warranted but some people on this board think he can do no wrong! A lot of posters on this board were not around in 80's and they want to see wins they could care less what Chris Mullin was back then. He should be judged on what he is doing today![/quote]

Most threads get locked because verbal sparring gets out of hand. Your characterization of how the mods operate on the site is unwarranted and unappreciated. FYI, almost no comments about Coach Mullin are moderated.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=302837]Panther2 wrote: Loved watching NYU when Barry Kramer and Happy Hairston were playing in the early 60's. They had a guard, Mal Graham, who played a few years for the Celtics and went on to become a Judge. I think what bothers me the most about sports today is that too many of our youth do not see a life beyond sports. They are not prepared for the real world when the ball stops bouncing.

One of the things I love about this site is being reminded of some great basketball memories I'd forgotten about (age does that to you). I had completely forgotten about Mal Graham but that NYU team was one of the first years I started following college basketball. Kramer, Hairston & Graham - what a team that was. Now that Panther brought up Mal, I can vividly recall him in a Celtics uniform. And of course Hairston had a very fine NBA career.[/quote]

Yes thanks for the memories...
I was fond of NYU when a boy - don’t know why since I lived in Brooklyn and my parents had no college so we were not attuned to college sports - but I remember those players AND I believe the Violets went to the Finsl Four!
Also wound up with law & MSW degrees there later in life - I was annoyed when they gave up Div 1 sports AND banned ROTC from their campus.
Oh well.
All the best.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=302857]I remember reading this board 5 years ago and some of the comments that were directed at Coach Lavin were disgusting and nobody locked the threads or did anything.

Now if someone criticizes Mullin even a bit it is like you committed a crime. I think it is fair to criticize if warranted but some people on this board think he can do no wrong! A lot of posters on this board were not around in 80's and they want to see wins they could care less what Chris Mullin was back then. He should be judged on what he is doing today![/quote]

Fair point regarding Mullin. Mike’s post above is pretty much my opinion as well. I am not sure if I would be on this board if it weren’t for Mullin the player but I realize that was 35 years ago. I would say the same about Lou C, Malik and a few others. Many on here go back 50+++. So yes I cut Mullin more slack then I might for an outsider but I have criticized him when I think it’s warranted and completely respect others when they do the same.
 
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[quote="OhioFan" post=302874][quote="Manhattan1" post=302857]I remember reading this board 5 years ago and some of the comments that were directed at Coach Lavin were disgusting and nobody locked the threads or did anything.

Now if someone criticizes Mullin even a bit it is like you committed a crime. I think it is fair to criticize if warranted but some people on this board think he can do no wrong! A lot of posters on this board were not around in 80's and they want to see wins they could care less what Chris Mullin was back then. He should be judged on what he is doing today![/quote]

Most threads get locked because verbal sparring gets out of hand. Your characterization of how the mods operate on the site is unwarranted and unappreciated. FYI, almost no comments about Coach Mullin are moderated.[/quote]

I think you are completely missing the point.
 
I think Ohio Fan is being straightforward when he says he locks some threads because posters get into heated and continued arguments that can potentially start flame wars.  Many of us, even if unintended, have gotten sucked into a flame war. 
There are always going to be factions on sports forums.  In our redmen.com world those factions have usually been coach - centered.  There were those who loved Mike Jarvis and those who didn't.  Same went for Steve Lavin.
Those differences have been magnified on redmen.com because of the hiring of Chris Mullin. For some it will be very difficult to criticize our greatest player.  That is why coaching criticism of outsiders was more tolerated here, whether mods admit it or not.  I, and a few others, saw Mullin's hire as a no-win situation for Mully.  He would have to exceed his predecessor in many areas from wins to recruiting.  To date he has struggled to meet those goals. 
Those who are honest and objective will admit that no outsider would have been given the leeway that Mully has been given after three mediocre seasons.  Obviously it was going to be a long learning curve but sports success is not based on grading by curves but stark statistics.  Defenders of the staff will go out of their way to chastise critics of those stats by accusing fellow fans of disliking coach Mullin as the reason for their criticism.  How can any St. John's fan hate our greatest player??  The reason some didn't want Mullin as coach was because of what is going on in this forum.  Much of the guilt free objectivity had to be tempered.  Thus criticism of Mullin sometimes leads to flame wars between factions.

That leads me to Mike's topic. While I and a few others try being sarcastic with our opinions some take that sarcasm and choose to go into personal attack mode.   If certain poster is disliked by a faction then we see ad hominem attacks on the source poster because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument. You will see by the "likes" in those threads who the factions are.
People who have never met will accuse the other of being vile, dishonest, disloyal, clowns, and any other derogatory name to diminish the poster.  Needless to say, this makes the mods job very difficult.  They too may fall into a faction because, rules or no rules, they have strong feelings for the program.  Accordingly, even they do not all get along. 
Which leads me to Paul Massell who has had  to suffer our battles yet has managed to keep it all together for us crazy fans.
As someone who has gotten many a warning and demoted to the Rookie Forum, please let us not attack each other because of differences of opinions.  I think those who were not fans of the program have already been dealt with.  Those who have remained over the bad times should be more tolerant of others whether pro or against anything said.  When we get a warning from Rich or North it's usually for a good reason and that reason is usually because things have gotten too personal.
 
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=302837]Panther2 wrote: Loved watching NYU when Barry Kramer and Happy Hairston were playing in the early 60's. They had a guard, Mal Graham, who played a few years for the Celtics and went on to become a Judge. I think what bothers me the most about sports today is that too many of our youth do not see a life beyond sports. They are not prepared for the real world when the ball stops bouncing.

One of the things I love about this site is being reminded of some great basketball memories I'd forgotten about (age does that to you). I had completely forgotten about Mal Graham but that NYU team was one of the first years I started following college basketball. Kramer, Hairston & Graham - what a team that was. Now that Panther brought up Mal, I can vividly recall him in a Celtics uniform. And of course Hairston had a very fine NBA career.[/quote]

Mal was a frosh when Barry and happy were seniors, never played varsity together. Nyu preseason #1 team finished 16-10 after only true point guard, Neil O'Neil declared ineligible day before season started
 
Ss&g, final four team was 1960 with satch sanders outplaying jerry Lucas but late al barden missing 12 open base line jumpers and Ohio state winning.

Victory party last time nyu beat sju was in my east Harlem apt with most of team and several members of "famous flames" in attendance. Last musical reference has my permission for use as official redmen.com age test
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=302925]I think Ohio Fan is being straightforward when he says he locks some threads because posters get into heated and continued arguments that can potentially start flame wars.  Many of us, even if unintended, have gotten sucked into a flame war. 
There are always going to be factions on sports forums.  In our redmen.com world those factions have usually been coach - centered.  There were those who loved Mike Jarvis and those who didn't.  Same went for Steve Lavin.
Those differences have been magnified on redmen.com because of the hiring of Chris Mullin. For some it will be very difficult to criticize our greatest player.  That is why coaching criticism of outsiders was more tolerated here, whether mods admit it or not.  I, and a few others, saw Mullin's hire as a no-win situation for Mully.  He would have to exceed his predecessor in many areas from wins to recruiting.  To date he has struggled to meet those goals. 
Those who are honest and objective will admit that no outsider would have been given the leeway that Mully has been given after three mediocre seasons.  Obviously it was going to be a long learning curve but sports success is not based on grading by curves but stark statistics.  Defenders of the staff will go out of their way to chastise critics of those stats by accusing fellow fans of disliking coach Mullin as the reason for their criticism.  How can any St. John's fan hate our greatest player??  The reason some didn't want Mullin as coach was because of what is going on in this forum.  Much of the guilt free objectivity had to be tempered.  Thus criticism of Mullin sometimes leads to flame wars between factions.

That leads me to Mike's topic. While I and a few others try being sarcastic with our opinions some take that sarcasm and choose to go into personal attack mode.   If certain poster is disliked by a faction then we see ad hominem attacks on the source poster because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument. You will see by the "likes" in those threads who the factions are.
People who have never met will accuse the other of being vile, dishonest, disloyal, clowns, and any other derogatory name to diminish the poster.  Needless to say, this makes the mods job very difficult.  They too may fall into a faction because, rules or no rules, they have strong feelings for the program.  Accordingly, even they do not all get along. 
Which leads me to Paul Massell who has had  to suffer our battles yet has managed to keep it all together for us crazy fans.
As someone who has gotten many a warning and demoted to the Rookie Forum, please let us not attack each other because of differences of opinions.  I think those who were not fans of the program have already been dealt with.  Those who have remained over the bad times should be more tolerant of others whether pro or against anything said.  When we get a warning from Rich or North it's usually for a good reason and that reason is usually because things have gotten too personal.
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It is clear 72 did not author this post. We need a rescue operation;
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suggestion and question:

Suggestion: limit the number of characters so long winded posts can't be made, I agree with whoever commented that if a post is too long, I just stop reading no matter what.

Question: is Fun back on here, is he back with Big East essays after our games?
 
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