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Mullin thread locked but let’s just address one thing getting personal. Beast brought up good points sometimes we all get personal with criticism. 72 brought up good points too people got flat out nasty with Lavin way overboard and some unfounded like Mullin. We just had a an excellent win we will have struggles. I’m guilty of getting personal Mullins first year ( I don’t regret one scorers table comment but I made drinking Perrier comments on the sideline I was so angry ) in hindsight I 100% regret that part because he drinks that stuff for a reason and I’m sorry for even bringing that up but you love and you learn. Not all knocks are personal and we have right to express opinion but just like we shouldn’t knock posters in a personal way we should do staff same respect. Another thing I have been guilty of is joking Matt’s height. It is what it is and I don’t have bad intentions but I apologize for that .at the same time the condescending stuff to other posters including younger ones needs to stop. We are all fans and we are all in this together. Opposing views are great and I love watching arguing but the bettervthan thou stuff and knocking people we all including me have to stop. We gotta bunch of great guys here let’s keep it that way. Just my opinion
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=302791]I usually stop reading a post after 3 sentences, but this is a great post.[/quote] yeah apologies I’m long winded but a lot of posts I really try to just joke and lighten things up but just this post thought in fairness I needed to be longer especially because I’m at fault at times
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=302790]Mullin thread locked but let’s just address one thing getting personal. Beast brought up good points sometimes we all get personal with criticism. 72 brought up good points too people got flat out nasty with Lavin way overboard and some unfounded like Mullin. We just had a an excellent win we will have struggles. I’m guilty of getting personal Mullins first year ( I don’t regret one scorers table comment but I made drinking Perrier comments on the sideline I was so angry ) in hindsight I 100% regret that part because he drinks that stuff for a reason and I’m sorry for even bringing that up but you love and you learn. Not all knocks are personal and we have right to express opinion but just like we shouldn’t knock posters in a personal way we should do staff same respect. Another thing I have been guilty of is joking Matt’s height. It is what it is and I don’t have bad intentions but I apologize for that .at the same time the condescending stuff to other posters including younger ones needs to stop. We are all fans and we are all in this together. Opposing views are great and I love watching arguing but the bettervthan thou stuff and knocking people we all including me have to stop. We gotta bunch of great guys here let’s keep it that way. Just my opinion[/quote]

That was my point essentially. We are all human, and at times get carried away with over the top criticisms of players or coaches. I've said dozens of times Lavin wasn't really my kind of guy, and his record here was kind if glass half full, but where he lived, ate, even his wife, fathers death, or cancer were fair game here by more than a couple of posters.

I do believe that what separates rooting for sju and a professional team is wide. First off, these are kids, unpaid and students - not pros. Secondly we are mostly alums and as such are part of a community. Sju's alumni is not one of the strongest and for many of us, basketball is our only connection to the school. Which is sad in a way. We are fortunate enough to have a coach who was recruited by everyone as a kid but chose here. We are fortunate enough that sju means so much to him that he moved his entire family east to try to fix this broken basketball program. With no resume to coach, he made a big mistake w his biggest hire, not on paper but in perfomance. To his credit tho, he hired matt and greg. Maybe even mitch is working out after all.

Is it perfect? Of course not. For years we have cherry picked the very best of the best and proclaimed them as would be better hires. - Calipari, Pitino, donovan, etc. All would have been gone by now, all would have cost a lot more, and as least 2 of those guys are sleazy as shit. Today Hurley is flavor if the week, as if he would have even not bolted for uconn's name your price hire.

All that doesn't even matter. Even some mods think that personal swipes at our hc are acceptable and have let repeated accusations and allegations persist at times. If you recall Paul had to step in and say Mullin was on campus when alleged to be far away because Paul's son had just interviewed him for a documentary. Still the notion was resurrected, as fake news does.

I've liked every single one if you I've met in person - even tried to arrange to meet people like tom.in s., paul, or fuchsia in my travels.

Social media makes beasts of us all, and its maybe a crazy expectation to expect that mostly older men behave differently than the nastiness children display on line.

Thanks mj, for your post. Esp the perrier comment - I know a bunch if those guys, and all have climbed mountains to stay sober. Literally and figuratively i look up to them, and your comment reminds me of that
 
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To Paul and mods, my last word on this. Anything I posted about Lavin was not “unfounded” but from personal knowledge and that is that. As for “getting personal” about posts or posters, I couldn’t care less either way. I have attacked and been attacked and both are fine with me. I respect the mods and the rules here but personally have no problem with what anyone thinks or says about me, as far as I am concerned it just comes with the territory. Dinkin’s and I couldn’t be further apart as far as Lavin is concerned but I respect him for sticking to his guns. Were I to meet him, I would gladly buy him a beer and go right on arguing. I am a libertarian and that means you speak your mind and respect others who do the same. Intelligent people understand no person is one thing, be it Steve Lavin or anyone else. I saw one Lavin, others saw someone else, Same way with Mullin.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=302797]To Paul and mods, my last word on this. Anything I posted about Lavin was not “unfounded” but from personal knowledge and that is that. As for “getting personal” about posts or posters, I couldn’t care less either way. I have attacked and been attacked and both are fine with me. I respect the mods and the rules here but personally have no problem with what anyone thinks or says about me, as far as I am concerned it just comes with the territory. Dinkin’s and I couldn’t be further apart as far as Lavin is concerned but I respect him for sticking to his guns. Were I to meet him, I would gladly buy him a beer and go right on arguing. I am a libertarian and that means you speak your mind and respect others who do the same. Intelligent people understand no person is one thing, be it Steve Lavin or anyone else. I saw one Lavin, others saw someone else, Same way with Mullin.[/quote]

Thank you Logen but I disagree and appreciate the posts above from MJMAHERJR and Beast.
I look to this board as an outlet or activity to enjoy, to share in a friendly fashion. It’s good (can be and mostly is) but not so good when a poster crosses that line into the rude or hurtful arena.
Maybe we can open an “anything goes” board for those you relish harsh critiques and lambasting others (lol).
Blessings.
Go Storm!!
Nice Win!!!
 
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I think he had we SJU Posters in mind :)

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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=302790]Mullin thread locked but let’s just address one thing getting personal. Beast brought up good points sometimes we all get personal with criticism. 72 brought up good points too people got flat out nasty with Lavin way overboard and some unfounded like Mullin. We just had a an excellent win we will have struggles. I’m guilty of getting personal Mullins first year ( I don’t regret one scorers table comment but I made drinking Perrier comments on the sideline I was so angry ) in hindsight I 100% regret that part because he drinks that stuff for a reason and I’m sorry for even bringing that up but you love and you learn. Not all knocks are personal and we have right to express opinion but just like we shouldn’t knock posters in a personal way we should do staff same respect. Another thing I have been guilty of is joking Matt’s height. It is what it is and I don’t have bad intentions but I apologize for that .at the same time the condescending stuff to other posters including younger ones needs to stop. We are all fans and we are all in this together. Opposing views are great and I love watching arguing but the bettervthan thou stuff and knocking people we all including me have to stop. We gotta bunch of great guys here let’s keep it that way. Just my opinion[/quote] FWIW I don't think the Perrier comments were bad and I am a recovering alcoholic that hasn't even made his first year yet. If coming from someone else maybe but I have read enough of your posts through the years that I know you wouldn't mean anything by it. And we agree about the scorers table :)
 
Too many on these forums take themselves way too seriously. I understand mods have a job to do and there is code of conduct or whatever. Personally I never have gotten offended at anything posted on one of these. My only complaint is if going to complain try to be original about it. Even Realfan had his ALL CAPS kidnapper style thing. At least that was original. I get more frustrated with people just posting the same thing over and over or complaining with any semblance of originality.

I do wonder about those on here that come on here just to vent and have an agenda. I have often thought that some aren't actual fans and just stumbled on to this site by accident. I mean if it were a dog grooming forum they would have the same agenda. I mean think about it. We are 3-0 and a Mullin thread had to be locked coming off a 20 point win. What is there to complain about?
 
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Thanks for posting this MJ, I believe all of us need to be more conscious of what we post. I have a few personal guidelines that I try to adhere to:
1) Never post anything about someone that I would not say to their face.
2) Never make disparaging remarks about anyone.
3) Criticism of a player's play should be limited to what transpires on the court. They do not work for us, they play for St. Johns.
4) Keep my posts non judgmental, I have no idea what is going on in someone else's life.
5) Don't criticize on court coaching decisions, if I knew so much I would have quit my day job and became a college coach. I am
amazed a the amount of posts stating what the staff should do, who should be starting, what kind of defense they should be
playing, etc, followed by I coached my nephews CYO team, lol.
6) Understand that while I am an Alumnus and have been rooting for St Johns for almost 60 years, I am just a fan.
7) Keep in mind that basketball is not life and death, it is just a game.
8) When making a point, state it once and let it go. Redundancy is tedious.
9) Always be respectful.
10) Everything you know is not meant for a Message Board.
11) When all else fails, "Say the Serenity Prayer".

We are 3-0 and I am looking forward to tomorrow night. Just taking it a game at a time. Let's Go Redmen!!!!!






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Well said by all.

Panther - would think many would disagree with #5, (not criticizing on court coaching decisions). That's what many fans do and a sports talk radio & news industry does it too.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=302806]Well said by all.

Panther - would think many would disagree with #5, (not criticizing on court coaching decisions). That's what many fans do and a sports talk radio & news industry does it too.[/quote]


I can accept that, but I don't criticize coaching because it is a profession that I did not pursue. I feel that I was well prepared for my job as a Rehabilitation Counselor. An undergraduate degree from St Johns, a Masters from NYU, and real life experience. To have someone who is a Doctor, Lawyer, or works in Finance questioning my decisions would have been comical. This is why I choose not to question coaching decisions. Others may view it differently, but these are my feelings.
 
Panther2, ba at nyu, masters in rehab administration at northeastern, ed.d at stj. Actually became a redmen fan when nyu dropped d1 hoops and all my fellow celtics fans in Boston were rooting for bc
 
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Until our first loss :)
 
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[quote="fuchsia" post=302812]Panther2, ba at nyu, masters in rehab administration at northeastern, ed.d at stj. Actually became a redmen fan when nyu dropped d1 hoops and all my fellow celtics fans in Boston were rooting for bc[/quote]


Loved watching NYU when Barry Kramer and Happy Hairston were playing in the early 60's. They had a guard, Mal Graham, who played a few years for the Celtics and went on to become a Judge. I think what bothers me the most about sports today is that too many of our youth do not see a life beyond sports. They are not prepared for the real world when the ball stops bouncing.
 
Up until recently, I tried to read every post on here but I no longer desire to. I have some OCD which I have worked on which is probably helping. I started to mature at 45(I am now 48) and try to follow panthers rules for the most part(I try not to be the coach but don’t mind if others do as long as it’s not over the top and occasionally I will try to be as well).

So last night I looked at my favorite feature which is unread posts and tried to catch up a little until I hit the Mullin topic and saw 176 unread posts. I said to myself it’s time to put the IPAD down. I am glad the topic was closed so I don’t have to worry about it anymore :).

I hope we can make it back to the NCAA tournament this year and we can have a lot of fun. One day at a time.
 
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It’s the repetition of one’s posts that spread from one topic to another, just in case you didn’t get it the other few hundred
times they posted it, that bother me the most I generally bite my tongue and move on to the next post or topic and end up with a sore tongue because the plague of the same tired opinion has spread to there as well. I know these posters have heard it before but please, we understand you will find that glass half empty, give it a rest if for nothing else but my tongue.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=302793][quote="stjohnnie75" post=302791]I usually stop reading a post after 3 sentences, but this is a great post.[/quote] yeah apologies I’m long winded but a lot of posts I really try to just joke and lighten things up but just this post thought in fairness I needed to be longer especially because I’m at fault at times[/quote]
With a few exceptions, aren't we all.
 
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=302806]Well said by all.

Panther - would think many would disagree with #5, (not criticizing on court coaching decisions). That's what many fans do and a sports talk radio & news industry does it too.[/quote]

If you are criticizing something of substance it is understandable. Mullin's recruiting especially of bigs has been uneven to be generous. I am a Mullin fan and I understand the complaint. If you question a starting lineup or in game strategy, not everyone will agree but it is understandable. The constant questioning of where an assistant coach is and what he does to me I just useless. I have said it before and will again this fan base with all the other things it should worry about is waaaaaay to wrapped up with assistant coaches.
With the players, yes they are kids but even if they are not being paid above board they are basically the minor leagues for the NBA and at worst still getting the cost of a supposed free education. I think if on the court selfish play or not hustling should be pointed out the same way I do when I coach travel league 10 year old baseball.

The absolute unbearable thing is to just keep posting Mullin can't coach, Mullin should quit.
 
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