Freudenberg

[paultzman]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

 

[we are sju]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

 

[Red.Fans]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

I agree and he doesn't seem to mind adding some physicality on the interior to go along with shooting the three. Lydon who could use another year or two of physical maturity and will probably end up in the NBA, is a more advanced/confident version of RF with our guy maybe having a little more athleticism.

 

[psk938]

between Freudenberg and Williams if they can off set the 12-16 minutes a game you would have gotten from SIma with a little more productivity it is a win win.

 

[Red.Fans]

between Freudenberg and Williams if they can off set the 12-16 minutes a game you would have gotten from SIma with a little more productivity it is a win win.

Well in my apparently completely unfounded Syracuse at the Dome, pre-game nightmare scenarios, I had Owens and Yakwe both in foul trouble early. RF and Williams giving us something is important even if just some minutes with limited turnovers.

 

[ras]

In one of the post game quotes Mullin said he was an excellent shooter . He sees it in practice but hasn't translated into games. He looks like he is getting more comfortable and loosing the jitters. We have to remember he is only a frosh. I think he could be excellent by his Jr. year.

 

[Red.Fans]

Not sure what to think about that but I the quote was beyond "excellent" and something like one of the best shooters he has ever seen.

This from a guy that played against and for Larry Bird and helped build the modern Golden State not to mention being not half bad himself.

 

[fun]

As Fun & others have noted

I find the fact that I am be cited as a creditable source troubling.

 

[SJU1512]

In one of the post game quotes Mullin said he was an excellent shooter . He sees it in practice but hasn't translated into games. He looks like he is getting more comfortable and loosing the jitters. We have to remember he is only a frosh. I think he could be excellent by his Jr. year.

More comfortable is a good way to put it.

Up until last few games it looked like he had a hitch in his shot, weird because not really evident in his highlight reels. Looks like that may have been result of game being way too fast for him early, and aiming at top of his release.

He was only 2-6 from 3 last night, but he's now showing how sound he is technically. No dip in his shot, ball never gets below his waist off the catch, high, quick and confident release. Not necessarily typical for kid his age and height.

Once he gets more in flow, and realizes he doesn't need as much space as he thinks to get his shot off due to height/length and high release, seems to have the makings of a really effective shooter.

Would think next step is learning how to use height and floor position to make up for lack of quickness to score on smaller guards/forwards in mid-range. Don't know that that comes this year, but if it does come at some point he could have makings of really effective overall scorer.

Long way to go in other areas of the game, but good to at least be seeing signs of potential staff saw in him. Overall contribution may not be as quick as expected, but based on what I've seen of late think "bust" potential is low. Knows game, strong fundamentals, and perhaps most importantly competes even in areas where presently physically overmatched (rebounding). At minimum think he can play on this level, with a chance to be really good. Could be the kind of kid that takes big leap year 1 to 2.

 

[we are sju]

In one of the post game quotes Mullin said he was an excellent shooter . He sees it in practice but hasn't translated into games. He looks like he is getting more comfortable and loosing the jitters. We have to remember he is only a frosh. I think he could be excellent by his Jr. year.

More comfortable is a good way to put it.

Up until last few games it looked like he had a hitch in his shot, weird because not really evident in his highlight reels. Looks like that may have been result of game being way too fast for him early, and aiming at top of his release.

He was only 2-6 from 3 last night, but he's now showing how sound he is technically. No dip in his shot, ball never gets below his waist off the catch, high, quick and confident release. Not necessarily typical for kid his age and height.

Once he gets more in flow, and realizes he doesn't need as much space as he thinks to get his shot off due to height/length and high release, seems to have the makings of a really effective shooter.

Would think next step is learning how to use height and floor position to make up for lack of quickness to score on smaller guards/forwards in mid-range. Don't know that that comes this year, but if it does come at some point he could have makings of really effective overall scorer.

Long way to go in other areas of the game, but good to at least be seeing signs of potential staff saw in him. Overall contribution may not be as quick as expected, but based on what I've seen of late think "bust" potential is low. Knows game, strong fundamentals, and perhaps most importantly competes even in areas where presently physically overmatched (rebounding). At minimum think he can play on this level, with a chance to be really good. Could be the kind of kid that takes big leap year 1 to 2.

Glad you mentioned the hitch. Almost resembled the way Bill Cartwright used to shoot. That was fine for Mr Bill he was 7-1. The way the shot looked in addition to his lack of quickness was what had me wondering what everyone was talking about. At least he got rid of the Cartwright hitch thing, that was weird. Honestly still going to take awhile to see if he can be a solid contributor. You saw how he rushed his shots once Cuse became aware of him after first couple makes. Getting rid of the hitch was a good start though.

 

[Alex9045]

In one of the post game quotes Mullin said he was an excellent shooter . He sees it in practice but hasn't translated into games. He looks like he is getting more comfortable and loosing the jitters. We have to remember he is only a frosh. I think he could be excellent by his Jr. year.

This kid just turned 18 in august. Not only that, he's in a totally different environment from another part of the world. I love Queens with all my heart but it isn't the Bavarian capital. It was going to take longer than 2 months of division one basketball to see what he can do. I'm happy to see him getting acclimated not only on the court but also on campus. He's got talent. If I had to pick which player would have the best shot at an NBA career, it would be Richard Fruedenburg after some seasons under his belt. You can't teach height with the skill set he's going to develop along with physical maturation. He might be 6'10 before the end of his sophomore season.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Freudenberg had a beautiful tip out to one of the guards on a missed shot. He couldn't get control, but had the court awareness to tip it to a teammate. He not only has limited quickness, but limited hops and strength. However, he seems willing to try, and that's part of the battle.

 

[Andrew]

Freudenberg had a beautiful tip out to one of the guards on a missed shot. He couldn't get control, but had the court awareness to tip it to a teammate. He not only has limited quickness, but limited hops and strength. However, he seems willing to try, and that's part of the battle.

I loved that play. As a youth basketball coach who doesn't think he knows as much as Mullin, those are the types of plays that make you feel your team is trying. Basketball is a weird game. Some games the shots go in and in others they don't. Unless the talent difference is tremendous, you need to win the games when you are hot shooting and compete in the games where you are not.

 

[we are sju]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

 

[fun]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

Typical Trump voter.

 

[we are sju]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

Typical Trump voter.

Couldn't do it. Gary Johnson lol

 

[Red.Fans]

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

I heard this anecdote about the origin of the phrase "party pooper." According to this story, the phrase originated during Victorian aristocratic parties at winter time. Because a lot of castles and manors still did not have indoor plumbing, and people who were all dressed up and averse to cold, wouldn't want to go outside, screens would be setup at strategic places with a big bowl or whatever for people to do their business behind the screen.

So the party would be going along and everyone was having a merry time, then along comes the guy who enjoyed himself a little too much on (the Victorian version of) Taco Tuesday and parks himself behind the screen. The party then quickly clears out with people making all kinds of polite excuses appropriate for Victorian aristocracy.

YOU are the guy behind the screen.

 

[we are sju]

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

I heard this anecdote about the origin of the phrase "party pooper." According to this story, the phrase originated during Victorian aristocratic parties at winter time. Because a lot of castles and manors still did not have indoor plumbing, and people who were all dressed up and averse to cold, wouldn't want to go outside, screens would be setup at strategic places with a big bowl or whatever for people to do their business behind the screen.

So the party would be going along and everyone was having a merry time, then along comes the guy who enjoyed himself a little too much on (the Victorian version of) Taco Tuesday and parks himself behind the screen. The party then quickly clears out with people making all kinds of polite excuses appropriate for Victorian aristocracy.

YOU are the guy behind the screen.

No newspapers or Ipads during Victorian times. No need to linger, plus being perched over a bowl couldn't have been fun. I would have been quick

 

[monte]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

I want Mussini to succeed oh so badly because he is a paesan. If that makes me an Itlo-supremist so be it.

 

[Andrew]

He obviously has a long way to go, but hopefully he is higher on rotation than Amar. As Fun & others have noted, he at least has an interest in rebounding. Also, he seems to understand the game & can pass the ball reasonably well. You have nothing to lose by inserting him in game appropriately. At least he gets baptism of fire and staff will know what we have. Sorry, but with Amar we do & there is not much there. He has not evidenced any rebounding interest & ability and his physical build and strength don't seem to translate into positives down low.

RF will not change game outcomes much, but would rather he get experience on a team going nowhere to gauge what he could offer going forward.

At the very least maybe people can aggregate their "Great White Hope" support to RF. Of the three candidates he probably has the best chance to be decent so I think all of the Mussini and Amar supporters should throw their support behind him. This would also help condense the threads we have claiming three guys should play or shoot more to just one. Everyone wins

Just because this was a thing on the other site I would like to address here as well. Most of what I post is for my own amusement and in jest. If you are a Saint John's fan you have to look at things in comical ways or you will go crazy. With that said, do I think people want RF, Mussini and Amar to do well at least partly because they are white? Some do yes. Now honestly root for whoever you want for whatever your reasons might be. But how can you have a basketball discussion when someone is arguing about a point based on a reason they won't publicly admit to?

People have posted that Mussini should start over Ponds and Lovett at various points. And as annoying as he is people have claimed RF should play more than Ahmed. There is no sane basketball view that would lead someone to make those comments. Now if you are a person who just thinks Mussini or RF will be great because of some other reason that you may have, fine. You are just not a great basketball talent evaluator. So don't give anything I post a second thought but hopefully you are never given the opportunity to get paid to make basketball decisions

Finally during the end of the Norm reign of terror I was one of his biggest critics on the old BEB. Some people who inexplicably still supported Norm would try to say I hated Norm because he was Black. Terrible coaching, recruiting and boring basketball wasn't enough, I guess I was also a racist. Now I never even responded to those posts because it didn't bother me because I knew it wasn't true. Get the point?

I want Mussini to succeed oh so badly because he is a paesan. If that makes me an Itlo-supremist so be it.

I light a menorah and I like TJ Leaf and am excited by some of the things that I have heard about Zach Brown possibly converting. Doesn't mean I don't like Shamorie Ponds.