Forbes Magazine: The ACC's Days are Numbered"

[Rob Lenhart]

Problem is that if the ACC was put in a position where they merged with the BE fb schools some of those big markets the BE is in wouldn't matter too much. Another poster mentioned the New York, Washington, Chicago and Philadelphia markets as a plus if the ACC took the BE bb schools. Okay, let's start with New York (City) and let the slings and arrows to be tossed at me start. For TV (translate $$$$) New York City is considered Metro New York or the Tri-State area. Rutgers and UCONN fall into that area and 250 or so miles away there is Syracuse which has a very large alumni base in the area. Chicago - no argument here but what has DePaul meant to the BE. Some time again there was discussion - might have been on the "old" redmen.com board - about the two schools being asked to leave the BE -DePaul, Providence or Seton Hall were the ones mentioned. #3 - Washington DC area and Georgetown. College Park and the U of Maryland is a 15 minute car drive from Washington DC. Lastly, Philadelphia and Villanova. Think Temple.  

Yes, I agree the non-fb schools would be foolhardy to try and start their own league. I believe they now receive about 1.5 million a year from the BE TV contract. Some have guessed that might rise to about 2.25-2.5 million under a new contract (fb schools would be in the 10-12 million area). Of the two major non-fb conferences the West Coast Conf with Gonzaga and St Mary's has a contract valued at about 2 million dollars a year. A year. That's $250,000 a team (8 team league). The Atlantic 10 (with 14 teams) contract is said to receive about 1.2 million dollars a year. That's $85,714.00 a team. They will be negotiating a new contract soon which should far exceed what they have now but does anyone think that with Butler + VCU - Temple they'll get anything close to 1.5 million a school. Would be great if they did. It would bode well for the BE bb schools but it's a long shot. The best advice I would have for the BE bb schools is to stay right where you are.

 

[Marillac]

Problem is that if the ACC was put in a position where they merged with the BE fb schools some of those big markets the BE is in wouldn't matter too much. Another poster mentioned the New York, Washington, Chicago and Philadelphia markets as a plus if the ACC took the BE bb schools. Okay, let's start with New York (City) and let the slings and arrows to be tossed at me start. For TV (translate $$$$) New York City is considered Metro New York or the Tri-State area. Rutgers and UCONN fall into that area and 250 or so miles away there is Syracuse which has a very large alumni base in the area. Chicago - no argument here but what has DePaul meant to the BE. Some time again there was discussion - might have been on the "old" redmen.com board - about the two schools being asked to leave the BE -DePaul, Providence or Seton Hall were the ones mentioned. #3 - Washington DC area and Georgetown. College Park and the U of Maryland is a 15 minute car drive from Washington DC. Lastly, Philadelphia and Villanova. Think Temple.  

Yes, I agree the non-fb schools would be foolhardy to try and start their own league. I believe they now receive about 1.5 million a year from the BE TV contract. Some have guessed that might rise to about 2.25-2.5 million under a new contract (fb schools would be in the 10-12 million area). Of the two major non-fb conferences the West Coast Conf with Gonzaga and St Mary's has a contract valued at about 2 million dollars a year. A year. That's $250,000 a team (8 team league). The Atlantic 10 (with 14 teams) contract is said to receive about 1.2 million dollars a year. That's $85,714.00 a team. They will be negotiating a new contract soon which should far exceed what they have now but does anyone think that with Butler + VCU - Temple they'll get anything close to 1.5 million a school. Would be great if they did. It would bode well for the BE bb schools but it's a long shot. The best advice I would have for the BE bb schools is to stay right where you are.

 

I think you are taking an incredibly narrow view on this. Uconn in the NYC market? C'mon...they are two+ hours away from NYC and I'd bet 90% of New Yorker's don't even know where Storrs is located. Uconn is a national draw the last decade--and rightfully so--with the success it has enjoyed. That could be gone forever with the status of the program now and Calhoun's retirement imminent. Uconn is not a NYC market team...they are a national power the market has adopted because of it's huge success. Just as fast as they came in, they'll disappear.

Rutgers? Any conference that takes Rutgers for the New York market deserves the crappy results it will get.

The reason why markets like New York and Chicago are so incredible is because on any given night you have access to millions and millions of people (not necessarily fans) that could choose to turn in and watch a school like Wake Forest or NC State take on a school they know, like St. John's or Depaul. Those are people that wouldn't have watched the game.

Depaul may have had a rough run, but don't be fooled that they arenot a sleeping giant. They can draw to games more than many ACC schools and more than STJ. They also have that huge market and they are the largest Cathollic school in the country.

 

[salty dog]

Problem is that if the ACC was put in a position where they merged with the BE fb schools some of those big markets the BE is in wouldn't matter too much. Another poster mentioned the New York, Washington, Chicago and Philadelphia markets as a plus if the ACC took the BE bb schools. Okay, let's start with New York (City) and let the slings and arrows to be tossed at me start. For TV (translate $$$$) New York City is considered Metro New York or the Tri-State area. Rutgers and UCONN fall into that area and 250 or so miles away there is Syracuse which has a very large alumni base in the area. Chicago - no argument here but what has DePaul meant to the BE. Some time again there was discussion - might have been on the "old" redmen.com board - about the two schools being asked to leave the BE -DePaul, Providence or Seton Hall were the ones mentioned. #3 - Washington DC area and Georgetown. College Park and the U of Maryland is a 15 minute car drive from Washington DC. Lastly, Philadelphia and Villanova. Think Temple.  

Yes, I agree the non-fb schools would be foolhardy to try and start their own league. I believe they now receive about 1.5 million a year from the BE TV contract. Some have guessed that might rise to about 2.25-2.5 million under a new contract (fb schools would be in the 10-12 million area). Of the two major non-fb conferences the West Coast Conf with Gonzaga and St Mary's has a contract valued at about 2 million dollars a year. A year. That's $250,000 a team (8 team league). The Atlantic 10 (with 14 teams) contract is said to receive about 1.2 million dollars a year. That's $85,714.00 a team. They will be negotiating a new contract soon which should far exceed what they have now but does anyone think that with Butler + VCU - Temple they'll get anything close to 1.5 million a school. Would be great if they did. It would bode well for the BE bb schools but it's a long shot. The best advice I would have for the BE bb schools is to stay right where you are.

 

I think you are taking an incredibly narrow view on this. Uconn in the NYC market? C'mon...they are two+ hours away from NYC and I'd bet 90% of New Yorker's don't even know where Storrs is located. Uconn is a national draw the last decade--and rightfully so--with the success it has enjoyed. That could be gone forever with the status of the program now and Calhoun's retirement imminent. Uconn is not a NYC market team...they are a national power the market has adopted because of it's huge success. Just as fast as they came in, they'll disappear.

Rutgers? Any conference that takes Rutgers for the New York market deserves the crappy results it will get.

The reason why markets like New York and Chicago are so incredible is because on any given night you have access to millions and millions of people (not necessarily fans) that could choose to turn in and watch a school like Wake Forest or NC State take on a school they know, like St. John's or Depaul. Those are people that wouldn't have watched the game.

Depaul may have had a rough run, but don't be fooled that they arenot a sleeping giant. They can draw to games more than many ACC schools and more than STJ. They also have that huge market and they are the largest Cathollic school in the country.

 

And they are looking into building a new arena.

 

[dee]

 I know that the ACC might raid the Big East of other teams if they lose FSU and another school but I enjoy the thought of the ACC crumbling.Isnt it wonderful? Then Cuse and Pitt can sink on the ACC ship like the dirty money dogs they are.