Forbes Magazine: The ACC's Days are Numbered"
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Interesting article. It's very tough for basically any division one program athletic program that doesn't have football in one of the top four football conferences...
I must admit, I did have a touch of schadenfreude, now that the ACC has gotten a dose of their own medicine as their league could be dismantled at the whim of the another league.. Sound familiar? Their comeuppance is somewhat ashamedly gratifying to me...
Unfortunately the ACC losing some members might mean that the Big East will really get walloped... I could easily envision them going after Rutgers, Cinci, UCONN and others if FL St and others leave the ACC.
I must admit, I did have a touch of schadenfreude, now that the ACC has gotten a dose of their own medicine as their league could be dismantled at the whim of the another league.. Sound familiar? Their comeuppance is somewhat ashamedly gratifying to me...
Unfortunately the ACC losing some members might mean that the Big East will really get walloped... I could easily envision them going after Rutgers, Cinci, UCONN and others if FL St and others leave the ACC.
Lot of balls still up in the air, so it's too soon to write off the ACC. If the BCS meeting in a few week results in a four team playoff and the 4 spots go to the 4 conference champs - then ND will be forced to join a conference and that could very well save the ACC.
Who knows. But for the time being the basketball schools stand to make a lot more $$ by staying in what is left of the Big East. So i'm guessing that's what we'll do.
Conference re-alignment sucks. No way around it.
Who knows. But for the time being the basketball schools stand to make a lot more $$ by staying in what is left of the Big East. So i'm guessing that's what we'll do.
Conference re-alignment sucks. No way around it.
The Gumbinator
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Schadenfreude. I love the random, but fitting, culture specific emotion reference.
This quote says it all; Football rules and it is anyone's guess where schools like SJU wind up. This is all leading to the football schools wanting ALL the money and a split between tham and all the "others" seems inevitable. I love basketball but it cannot hold a candle to football when it comes to $$$$$.
"Just look at the Big East. The conference relied on basketball programs at Connecticut, Louisville and Syracuse to generate NCAA tournament payouts and TV dollars. And while the three schools have been nothing short of spectacular, with Louisville ascending to the throne of college basketball’s most valuable team, the conference is quickly collapsing. Pittsburgh, Syracuse and West Virginia have recently fled the Big East, and Louisville has announced that it wants out. The reason is that conferences cannot keep up financially without a core of competitive football programs able to drive up television revenue."
"Just look at the Big East. The conference relied on basketball programs at Connecticut, Louisville and Syracuse to generate NCAA tournament payouts and TV dollars. And while the three schools have been nothing short of spectacular, with Louisville ascending to the throne of college basketball’s most valuable team, the conference is quickly collapsing. Pittsburgh, Syracuse and West Virginia have recently fled the Big East, and Louisville has announced that it wants out. The reason is that conferences cannot keep up financially without a core of competitive football programs able to drive up television revenue."
If the four conferences are the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12 and SEC then how is the ACC saved in that scenario? I would see those four growing to 20 teams each since every viable football program will have to be part of them and everyone else is screwed. What value is there in a secondary football conference made up of teams like Wake, Duke, UNC, UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, etc... If they don't have access to the national championship. They become a Mountian West level conference but with no BCS they'll not be able to send even a surprise/isolated great team team (a la Boise St or Houston) to the playoff controlled by the big 4.
Only manageable solution for non football power schools is to have football divest itself of the NCAA altogether and run as a separate business then you could have conferences set up on an "all other sports" basis but the big four couldn't go for that as they'd want the only other profitable sport, basketball, to be part of this realignment.
If ACC is going to lose its football "powerhouses", their leverage will diminsh a bit as the Big East is still a better BBall conference. Big East should plan to go on the offensive and raid them since their football conference will be heading back down toward the Big East
At that point, why not just jettison a few of the western schools like SDSU and Boise and just merge with the Big East? We'd own the eastern U.S. and all the big markets by having a huge sports conglomerate with north/south divisions in all the eastern markets.
I totally agree MCNPA. That's what I said earlier in this thread. At that point it would behoove both leagues to merge. Imagine if a revitalized SJU program under Lavin was to play North Carolina and Duke every year and with the conference tournament at MSG.
North would be:
St. Johns
Boston College
Temple
Uconn
Syracuse
Seton Hall
Providence
Rutgers
Georgetown
Marquette
Depaul
Pittsburgh
South
Duke
UNC
Maryland
Wake forest
USF
NC State
Louisville
Georgia Tech
UCF
SMU
Houston
Or something like the above. The ACC is being raided too. It may eventually be in the best interest of both leagues to do something like this. If those other conferences want to play hardball, then might as well take over the eastern US for both football and bball. It might seem unwieldy but separated into two different divisions, it would be possible. ACC might be decimated too if it doesn't head this direction .
Rob Lenhart
Member
Doubt very much the ACC would be interested in any BE non-fb schools.
I think the ACC would be interested in the non football schools because of the TV markets that they encompass. St. Johns - New York City, Depaul - Chicago , Goergetown - Washington DC, Villanova- Philadelphia, those are major TV markets and if those teams are good it would be worth it to them. Marquette is really only about an 1hr and a half from Depaul you could almost combine the Chicago and Milwaukee markets. The two teams that would have to worry would be Providence and Seton Hall. They would have Rutgers so Seton Hall would be useless to them and Providence is a very small market.
Who knows we'll see how it plays out. The more successful the non football schools from the big markets are the better chance they have of finding a home in one of the power conferences. Thank God we have Lavin here now because he can get us to that level by the time all this plays out. If we're playing to packed houses in MSG I would think that means a lot.
I wasn't very clear, but there's been a lot of talk that the new playoff system might require a team to win their conference championship, even if it's not a direct playoff with the four conference champs, it will force Notre Dame to join a conference - and many people feel the Irish prefer to join the ACC over the Big12 or Big10.
They feel they have more in common academically with ACC schools, and their east coast alumni base favors it as well.
Notre Dame's presence would keep Miami, Va-tech, and FSU from going anywhere.
But again, that's just one possibility, who know's how it will all play out.
But no, I don't think there's any scenario where the ACC would want to add non-football schools. We do have the powerful markets, but it's football tv that they're looking for. Basketball games just don't bring in anywhere near the kind of revenue that football does. It's a shame.
