redfan99kiuh
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Hello there. Been a fan of the site for a few weeks now. Huge SJU supporter and season ticket holder. Happy to officially be a part of the site.
EXTEND LAVIN NOW!!!!!
EXTEND LAVIN NOW!!!!!
EXTEND LAVIN NOW!!!!!
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The question is for how long? He had to make the tourney this year and he did so he deserves an extension IMO. But it would be a little foolish to extend him more than 3 years. I think what we all reasonably want is a little consistency to be a perennial top 25 program (not saying we are duke or kansas or UK).
This time around we give Lav two years to rebuild/continue to space out classes and then make that third year the "must-make tourney year." I applaud him for getting the job done this year and expect another NCAA appearance or two in the next three seasons.
This time around we give Lav two years to rebuild/continue to space out classes and then make that third year the "must-make tourney year." I applaud him for getting the job done this year and expect another NCAA appearance or two in the next three seasons.
I would say he's contracted for 15/16. Extend him for 2 more years but negotiate a medium sized buyout for 17/18. That gives him recruiting stability and if the future looks better after 16/17 you renegotiate a longer extension. He started out showing he could recruit. He's finishing this year showing he can motivate. Now he has 2 years to do them both at once.
give him a 4th year if he stops taking timeouts after huge 3 point buckets! One thing that will never happen while Lav is coach goes like this: St. John's player hits a big 3, garden crown goes ape shit while the opposing team jogs the ball up the court, opposing coach puts hands on his shoulder for a 20...I do miss those days
beast of the east
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As much as I am perceived as a Lavin family member, I think there is still work to be done this season. No need to rush and extend him based on an 8 game run.
jumbo_peanuts
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I think we extend him, and give him about a 7yr deal with an option on the 8th. Does he deserve that long a deal? Who really knows....but at the very least it would provide this program with something that I think it desperately needs: STABILITY!
I think Lavin's success, as is so many coach's, will ultimately be dependent upon the success of 3 and 4 year players. We aren't Kentucky and Duke where our recruiting classes will be full of McDonalds AA every single year.
In order to get solid 3 and 4 year players, Lavin will NEED to be able to tell kids that he is at the very least scheduled to be here for the long haul. I'd imagine that it's not that easy to recruit a kid when you don't know if you will still be their coach by the time they are scheduled to graduate.
redfan259999888
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Well I guess Lavin doesn't have to land another top recruit for next year, just extend him huh?
PharmaJohnny
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I thought about this topic a LOT, and all I kept coming back to was this: There has to be a reason he does it. No coach on ANY level does something as counterintuitive as this so consistently without a reason, and certainly not one who has a Hall of Fame coach basically right next to him every single time he does it.
So that begs the question: What's the reason? I have two possible explanations:
1. His team has show a propensity to not get back quickly after those big 3's, and effectively give the points right back. I've seen it happen, if you think about it, we all have.
and/or
2. Consolidate a lead and set the defense. And I've seen that as well.
To be fair, neither are likely correct and I suspect there's another reason - but it's my own fault: I skipped the day we covered "NCAA Div 1 BB Coaching Strategies" in Pharmacy School).
Now before anyone goes and crushes me about how it's a "momentum killer" - yes, we ALL understand, no need to beat the dead horse. All I'm proposing is that no coach - smart, dumb, or in-between - lacks an understanding of momentum and does something so against the grain without a reason.
Anyone else care to weigh in on possible logical/thoughtful explanations?
It could be for different reasons each time. During the last game a few ppl brought it up cause he did it twice and I think in that instance it was because we were so thin and it was right before the tv timeout. Essentially buying them 4-5 mins total of extra rest they wouldn't have had otherwise
redfan99kiuh
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I think your right about the fact he takes the timeouts to get his teams head straight and to set up his defense. Unfortunately, it usually leads to the other team getting a wide open 3 or a layup off a set play set up by the opposing coach.
99% of the time, if he didn't call the timeout in those situations, the other coach would be calling one.
99% of the time, if he didn't call the timeout in those situations, the other coach would be calling one.
redfan99kiuh
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BYW, The fact that the subject on a 'extend Lavin' thread went to his misuse of timeouts means he should be extended. There's no talk about him knowing of 2 seperate rape allegations against his player for a year and not doing anything(Duke), kids not going to class (UNC), or discovering your whole organization is a disaster(Cuse).
His kids adore him, and he gets great players. He understands that most kids from NYC don't want to go to a campus in the middle of queens. He goes out of the city and sells MSG and NYC to them. Imagine your a kid from Christ the King and can play anywhere u want. You go see one game at a place like Kentucky and see their practice facility, then go to queens and see SJU. It's a no brainer. Now if your from a small town in middleofnowhere Missouri, and you go see MSG and NYC, you would be impressed.
His kids adore him, and he gets great players. He understands that most kids from NYC don't want to go to a campus in the middle of queens. He goes out of the city and sells MSG and NYC to them. Imagine your a kid from Christ the King and can play anywhere u want. You go see one game at a place like Kentucky and see their practice facility, then go to queens and see SJU. It's a no brainer. Now if your from a small town in middleofnowhere Missouri, and you go see MSG and NYC, you would be impressed.
redfan99kiuh
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I was going crazy like the rest of the SJU fan base. I couldn't believe what was happening. To make matters worse, I tore my achillies tendon the day before the BIG EAST season started. So I've been on the couch watching every minute of every game, every minute of 'the red storm report' and every minute of 'inside the big east,' not to mention the hours spent on this website.
redfan259999888
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" Imagine your a kid from Christ the King and can play anywhere u want. You go see one game at a place like Kentucky and see their practice facility, then go to queens and see SJU. It's a no brainer. Now if your from a small town in middleofnowhere Missouri, and you go see MSG and NYC, you would be impressed."
Well here's my mentality on that. I'll live and die in NYC, and if I was a top recruit, I could never represent another state on my chest (unless it's the nba, where I'd be rolling in crazy cash.)
I'd want to bring the ncaa championship home to my city. THE BIG NYC BABY. The worlds capital.