(EXHIBITION) Michigan (MSG), Sat., Oct. 25, 7p, Big Ten+

JohnnyFan said:
Can only imagine how much insight you will have when you do see the games.
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Weak , Johnny fan . Very . I didn’t need to watch . The Stats and the Comments of other posters gave me enough insight into the Game for me to edit .
You think Zach or any of the other guys gets to put whatever they write into a Game summary without a Editor, who didn’t attend the game ?

And , for those who keep saying it’s only a Exhibition game , what would they have said , if we won ?
I read Dusty May’s post game Account , I didn’t see 1 reference to Exhibition game . Maybe I missed it ?

And , I still say , losing Wilcher and Brady wasn’t good .
Wilcher would have been a 3 year player with Pitino experience . And , giving a sense of continuity with Zuby . Familiarity .

But , it didn’t happen .
 
Redenbacher said:
Wasn’t at the game but question for those who were: what was the atmosphere like? On TV, it looked to me like there were quite a few Michigan fans under the basket at both ends of the court.
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The overhead board as MSG showed more Michigan fans than ours. Many more and consistantly. Our people were very loud...but they were loud as well. I thought the overhead board took away any homecourt advantage. Either way, it was more a final eight atmosphere than an exhibition. Of course, there's much more anxiety in a tournament. This game was more a fun atmosphere.
 
newsman13 said:
The overhead board as MSG showed more Michigan fans than ours. Many more and consistantly. Our people were very loud...but they were loud as well. I thought the overhead board took away any homecourt advantage. Either way, it was more a final eight atmosphere than an exhibition. Of course, there's much more anxiety in a tournament. This game was more a fun atmosphere.
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While STH's had seats it was not an SJU home game and it felt like it was purposeful that they showed more Michigan fans for the very reason of proving it wasn't an SJU home game.

Maybe depends on seat location but personally I don't think home court advantage was ever a factor for good or bad and wouldn't say there were loud.
 
Both exhibition games are in the books, and we have learned a lot from games that do not count. St. John's splits their preseason tilts as Saturday's exhibition against the #7 team in the country went to the wire in extra time. We discuss our takeaways from the top 10 tussle, the good, the bad, and the concerns going into a season that starts a week from today. How does the game against Michigan get them prepared for the season, what do they have to work on, and what needs to be fixed sooner rather than later as this tough schedule doesn't hide for long.

Thanks as always to this amazing community, to those I said Hi to at MSG on Saturday - excited to be on this ride with you guys again for what should be a memorable and hopefully historic season! Been asked to put more episodes on Youtube so this one is up there as well as the usual audio platforms.





 
I'm late to the game here...but a few thoughts.

I know these are only stats...but why keep them if they're not important:

The team was 2-19 from three before Lefty cam in with two for four. I fear this team will be a clone of last year...with outstanding defense and no shooting. Why do some outstanding three point shooters have problems at the free throw line? The intensity is different. Our defense has been so intense, that for the same reason, we can't shoot. I'd hate to see these guys clank their way out of the NBA. I think that's what happened to last year's high quality players.

I'm not one to tell a hall of fame coach and his outstanding assistants how to do something different. I'm older than Pitino and I haven't won any games. But maybe he should lighten up. Like Ian is hurt? Our Austrian player is out for the year? Odih missed all sorts of practice time? This is also a clone of last year when we had hardly any fully healthy players going into the Arkansas game. Who's next. You know there will be others. Does anyone it's the fault of the trainers?

Pitino said at the news conference that Prey seemed to be out of it. In limited minutes, Prey was +3 with six points. Some of you wonder about Darling...but he was +3. Lefty was +6. It seemed to me the momentum changed when these three were in the game. Lefty put the team on his back at the end. Maybe they should be in more. Jeez...Sellers was minus eleven.

I'm not complaining. Michigan had some of their best players from last year back and they had Yaxl who will be a lottery pick. We played them toe to toe with no homecourt advantage to speak of. Michigan travels well. A clone of last year's team could mean something in the neighborhood of 31 wins. I'd just be disappointed if we're knocked out in the second round of the show again.
 
Moose said:
I think Lefty is going to be more important to us than many realize. He can shoot and the majority of the team are question marks there. He's played in some crazy INTL environment's and performed well. I thought he was going to drill all 3 of those FT's but it didn't happen. My hope is happening now will change his mindset similar to Zuby and Baylor which has made Zuby of the most trusted FT shooters we have.
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I think Lefty earned himself a lot of good will, trust and a solidified rotation spot. Pitino said he's their best 3 pt shooter next to Sellers, and he was called upon in a pressure spot and delivered, plus the rebounds were huge for a guard as that's been Rick's sticking point. Was a major positive from the UM game
 
I saw only part of the game but WOW have times changed.

Everybody worked up one way or the other by an EXHIBITION game played at Madison Square Garden (whoa!) before a pretty good crowd (not sold out I think). The “game” was also played a week before Halloween. Think of that! Important enough that Dickie V was at the Mic. That is amazing. We have a chance for big things. Nothing changed. Gonna be a great season. Book it.
 
sjc88 said:
I saw only part of the game but WOW have times changed.

Everybody worked up one way or the other by an EXHIBITION game played at Madison Square Garden (whoa!) before a pretty good crowd (not sold out I think). The “game” was also played a week before Halloween. Think of that! Important enough that Dickie V was at the Mic. That is amazing. We have a chance for big things. Nothing changed. Gonna be a great season. Book it.
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Vitale was not on the mic.
 
sjc88 said:
Sounded like him to me. Interesting. Do you know who it was?

Guys voice was raspy and I thought it was him. Again I only saw some of it. Paultz put up the YouTube link.
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I don't sorry. Was the game but it wasn't on ESPN so couldn't have been Vitale.
 
I disagree that the board showed more Michigan fans than ours. There just happened to be a couple of areas where there were large contingents of Michigan fans (in the middle section on the floor and lower bowl behind the baskets on both sides especially behind the one on the visitor side) and there were others dispersed in other areas and mixed in with our fans. There were even a few in 107.

This is and will continue to be a work in progress. I did appreciate the fans who cheered for Lefty after he missed those two free throws.
 
redmannorth said:
Not sure from where you read the panic into my post but perhaps I am weak in reading compréhension. Some of us happened to identifie a potential problem long ago, that pg is one of the most, if not the most important position on the team, and last year we had 2 very good pgs, while this year the point will be manned by 2 players who were originally thought by this fan base to be low on our depth chart. Perhaps my post is a critic of this boards basketball acumen.
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While I congratulate you on your basketball acumen in pointing out that point guard is an important position and that it might be an issue for this years team- a subject hardly anyone on the board was discussing leading up to the season-your response doesn't change, or even address, what I said.

We have a loaded roster and we're two games into what is likely to be a nearly 40 game season. The idea that because Lefty hit a couple of threes and generally played well against Michigan he's going to go from 9/10th man who you bring off the bench every once in a while when the top 8 aren't shooting well, to a guy getting major minutes- or even starting at the point as one person suggested- is highly unlikely and smacks of panic.

Our shooters will be fine. Ian Jackson will be fine. They will all play a lot more than Lefty. Pitino is Pitino, so you never know what he's going to do. He started Diku twice last year. Lefty may have games like yesterday where he comes in, gives a spark and plays 14 minutes. But given Pitino's commitment to D its just highly unlikely that he plays more than that on a consistent basis. Changing that assumption based on two exhibition games is panic IMHO.
 
Pardon my ignorance but how are the plus/minus numbers calculated. I read in the one of the posts above that Darling and Prey were a +3, Lefty was a +6 and Sellers was a -11. Just curious. Thanks.
 
CBA69 said:
Pardon my ignorance but how are the plus/minus numbers calculated. I read in the one of the posts above that Darling and Prey were a +3, Lefty was a +6 and Sellers was a -11. Just curious. Thanks.
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+/- is basically the raw net number of points a team scores when a particular player is on the court.

NBA Plus-Minus, a.k.a. +/-, simply keeps track of the net changes in the score when a given player is either on or off the court. To calculate plus-minus in basketball, subtract the points scored by the opponent from the points scored by the player's team while that player is on the court. For a game, you can sum the point differential of each of the player's stints on the court, or you can simply find the final score difference during all their playing time. For a positive plus-minus, the team must score more points than the opponent; a negative number means the opponent outscored the team

Often times it's a flawed stat as it's not really something one player can control
 
CBA69 said:
Pardon my ignorance but how are the plus/minus numbers calculated. I read in the one of the posts above that Darling and Prey were a +3, Lefty was a +6 and Sellers was a -11. Just curious. Thanks.
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Team points for/against when you are on the floor.
I struggle with it as a basketball stat. It has some relevance, but also association is not causation - just because the team went up 10 or down 10 when you're on the floor doesn't necessarily mean you had anything to do with it. But then again, sometimes you did. On a single-game standpoint I tend to think it's mostly worthless, but over time I think that - in context with other info - it can be relevant and potentially somewhat illuminating.
 
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