ESPN's ACC Big Monday Lineup...Boring

The average fan would take Duke @ Pitt or Cuse @ Nc over basically anything our conference could offer.

Who wants to watch Pitt? Duke, obviously, but Pitt won't be a tournament team, doesn't have a huge fanbase, and will be worse than half of the new Big East. That is a 15+ point blowout. Give me Georgetown v. Creighton any day of th week.
 
Pitt is going to suck this year in the ACC. They lose their center and have a fairy to decent overall lineup. Syracuse vs Maryland exciting? Eh...

I think you're right about Pitt. Even when they are good they are painful to watch.

The point is that there are no games/rivalries in the new conference that on a national level come close to matching up with Duke / UNC, and Syracuse and Louisville added to that duo will develop nationally relevant rivalries that are on a par if not better than the ones between Uconn/Syracuse/Gtown/Louisville of the BE's recent past.

For now, but all 4 coaches are legendary and all are on their way out to pasture in the next few years. It will be interesting to see all 4 schools and how exciting they will be sans Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Boeheim... THose guys are good for nearly 3500 wins combined, and I can't count the number of nation championships, Final Fours etc.

Yes it will be interesting to see but UNC was UNC pre Uncle Roy and Louisville was Louisville pre Pitino. Duke was even a little bit of Duke pre Coack K. Syracuse, you're right on the money.

Well, pre-Roy, UNC was Gutheridge and Doherty, so they really weren't. They were Dean Smith before that, but not easy to replace one legend with another. They were lucky to get a homemade guy who succeeded at KU first in Roy. Louisville wasn't as good pre-Pitino. The Krum years were certainly solid, but Pitino is irreplaceable. Duke IS Coach K. Can't come close to replacing that. Nearly impossible. Same goes for Boeheim. Truth is that there isn't many guys out there that have done what the "old guard" did. Very few guys will get that type of longevity at one program therefore hard to build that type of gravitas by jumping around.

All of these program will have an extremely hard time finding replacements that will placate their respective fan bases. Everybody will be compared to the guy they replaced and they are a few programs who are not far behind ucla with ridiculous expectations of what their program should be doing. Easier said than done, so we'll see what happens after they are all gone.
 
Pitt is going to suck this year in the ACC. They lose their center and have a fairy to decent overall lineup. Syracuse vs Maryland exciting? Eh...

I think you're right about Pitt. Even when they are good they are painful to watch.

The point is that there are no games/rivalries in the new conference that on a national level come close to matching up with Duke / UNC, and Syracuse and Louisville added to that duo will develop nationally relevant rivalries that are on a par if not better than the ones between Uconn/Syracuse/Gtown/Louisville of the BE's recent past.


For now, but all 4 coaches are legendary and all are on their way out to pasture in the next few years. It will be interesting to see all 4 schools and how exciting they will be sans Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Boeheim... THose guys are good for nearly 3500 wins combined, and I can't count the number of nation championships, Final Fours etc.

Yes it will be interesting to see but UNC was UNC pre Uncle Roy and Louisville was Louisville pre Pitino. Duke was even a little bit of Duke pre Coack K. Syracuse, you're right on the money.

Well, pre-Roy, UNC was Gutheridge and Doherty, so they really weren't. They were Dean Smith before that, but not easy to replace one legend with another. They were lucky to get a homemade guy who succeeded at KU first in Roy. Louisville wasn't as good pre-Pitino. The Krum years were certainly solid, but Pitino is irreplaceable. Duke IS Coach K. Can't come close to replacing that. Nearly impossible. Same goes for Boeheim. Truth is that there isn't many guys out there that have done what the "old guard" did. Very few guys will get that type of longevity at one program therefore hard to build that type of gravitas by jumping around.

All of these program will have an extremely hard time finding replacements that will placate their respective fan bases. Everybody will be compared to the guy they replaced and they are a few programs who are not far behind ucla with ridiculous expectations of what their program should be doing. Easier said than done, so we'll see what happens after they are all gone.

Guthridge made two final fours in 3 years at UNC, including a few weeks before he was fired. He was fine. Doherty, well anyone can make a mistake, though few that big. No one is great every year. By your calculationss there are no great programs, just great coaches. Who knows, that might be true. All of these programs, besides Syracuse, will have no problem getting the biggest coach they want to come and take over their programs. And Syracuse could do it if they weren't committed to hiring from within. It all depends on the commitment of the administration and the athletic department/boosters.
 
Pitt is going to suck this year in the ACC. They lose their center and have a fairy to decent overall lineup. Syracuse vs Maryland exciting? Eh...

I think you're right about Pitt. Even when they are good they are painful to watch.

The point is that there are no games/rivalries in the new conference that on a national level come close to matching up with Duke / UNC, and Syracuse and Louisville added to that duo will develop nationally relevant rivalries that are on a par if not better than the ones between Uconn/Syracuse/Gtown/Louisville of the BE's recent past.


For now, but all 4 coaches are legendary and all are on their way out to pasture in the next few years. It will be interesting to see all 4 schools and how exciting they will be sans Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Jim Boeheim... THose guys are good for nearly 3500 wins combined, and I can't count the number of nation championships, Final Fours etc.

Yes it will be interesting to see but UNC was UNC pre Uncle Roy and Louisville was Louisville pre Pitino. Duke was even a little bit of Duke pre Coack K. Syracuse, you're right on the money.

Well, pre-Roy, UNC was Gutheridge and Doherty, so they really weren't. They were Dean Smith before that, but not easy to replace one legend with another. They were lucky to get a homemade guy who succeeded at KU first in Roy. Louisville wasn't as good pre-Pitino. The Krum years were certainly solid, but Pitino is irreplaceable. Duke IS Coach K. Can't come close to replacing that. Nearly impossible. Same goes for Boeheim. Truth is that there isn't many guys out there that have done what the "old guard" did. Very few guys will get that type of longevity at one program therefore hard to build that type of gravitas by jumping around.

All of these program will have an extremely hard time finding replacements that will placate their respective fan bases. Everybody will be compared to the guy they replaced and they are a few programs who are not far behind ucla with ridiculous expectations of what their program should be doing. Easier said than done, so we'll see what happens after they are all gone.

Guthridge made two final fours in 3 years at UNC, including a few weeks before he was fired. He was fine. Doherty, well anyone can make a mistake, though few that big. No one is great every year. By your calculationss there are no great programs, just great coaches. Who knows, that might be true. All of these programs, besides Syracuse, will have no problem getting the biggest coach they want to come and take over their programs. And Syracuse could do it if they weren't committed to hiring from within. It all depends on the commitment of the administration and the athletic department/boosters.

That's kinda my point though Austour. You state "no problem getting the biggest coach they want to come and take over their programs". But in truth, who are those guys? These are the last of the Mohegans in terms of real royalty in college ball. Ucla fired a good coach in Howland, and Alford is the new best thing? Those coaches truly made their programs. Time will tell who the new royalty will be, but the playing field is greatly leveled when the blue bloo

We just lost Jim Calhoun and Gary Williams to retirement. Majerus to the grave. We'll soon lose Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Coach K, Roy Williams, Huggins, Calipari Pitino, Beilein etc. Next 5-10 year's and we will be losing the best that college basketball maybe ever had to offer in terms of sheer number of massively successful coaches. Those programs can have all the money in the world, but the best they'll be getting is a Sean Miller or Buzz Williams. The guard is changing.
 
I did say your supposition might be true so yes, I knew that was your point. I will say that the reasons there won't be more Calhoun's, K's, Izzo's, etc... or at least far fewer is that some of the guys you mentioned would have been fired in today's enviroment before they ever got their name on the Marquis others would have jumped to new jobs after their first smell of success. Times have changed but money buying talent and the best coaches hasn't so most of those programs will be fine.

PS it's Mohicans ;)
 
I did say your supposition might be true so yes, I knew that was your point. I will say that the reasons there won't be more Calhoun's, K's, Izzo's, etc... or at least far fewer is that some of the guys you mentioned would have been fired in today's enviroment before they ever got their name on the Marquis others would have jumped to new jobs after their first smell of success. Times have changed but money buying talent and the best coaches hasn't so most of those programs will be fine.

PS it's Mohicans ;)

http://www.mohegan.nsn.us/.

The movie was Mohicans, but it was incorrect. There aren't any Mohicans. Technically you are correct about the movie title but further clarification needed.

"Cooper named a principal character Uncas, after a well-known Mohegan sachem (a head chief) who had been an ally of the English in 17th-century Connecticut. By using this name, Cooper seemed to confuse the Mohegan with the Mahican, a tribe historically based in New York along the Hudson River, closer to the central Mohawk Valley territory he also wrote about."
 
Yeah, well the saying came from the book, right?

Then again the book was written in the 1800's. They didn't now how to spell then. Don't recall a movie though I'm sure there were likely more than one.
 
Yeah, well the saying came from the book, right?

Then again the book was written in the 1800's. They didn't now how to spell then. Don't recall a movie though I'm sure there were likely more than one.

Yeah, never read the book. Don't remember how it was spelled. Don't even think I saw the movie so I figured it was after the Mohegan tribe.
 
Yeah, well the saying came from the book, right?

Then again the book was written in the 1800's. They didn't now how to spell then. Don't recall a movie though I'm sure there were likely more than one.

Yeah, never read the book. Don't remember how it was spelled. Don't even think I saw the movie so I figured it was after the Mohegan tribe.

Mohegan Sun
 
On a related note, ESPN also released its College Game Day schedule. The highlight will be Duke at Syracuse on Feb 1. If I am not mistaken, that is the same day as Fox Sports1 Super Saturday double header at the Garden.
 
On a related note, ESPN also released its College Game Day schedule. The highlight will be Duke at Syracuse on Feb 1. If I am not mistaken, that is the same day as Fox Sports1 Super Saturday double header at the Garden. Other notable matchups include

Florida / Kentucky will probably pit the two highest ranked teams against each other if this year's group of freshmen phenoms perform more like the group from 2 years ago than Last Year's Model but really, who GAF about SEC basketball beyond those two, which lessens the interest level.
 
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