DePaul Attendance

[sirvoo]

Brutal to see that play. And the call was bad. And fu&$ Nate lubick

 

[howcudubsoharkless]

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[beast of the east]

So, I don't know where anyone would get the idea that graduating from SJU meant a likely, career path job for the baby boomers. There are common, significant social transformations all of us go through. Check out the struggles during the 60s and the economic situation in the early to mid 70s; check out the following10 years of essentially flat equity markets until Reagan got into power. All generations face major, seemingly unique struggles as today's young generations do...yet that is what is most common.
No matter how hard we worked at being successful, those who graduated in the late 60s through the mid 70s heard exactly same story. "We are in a recession, we aren't hiring." The jobs came back years later after several years of super high inflation and recession simultaneously. There were no job offers, unless you had experience, which as you note, you couldn't have as a graduate...we called it the catch 22.
I was an early boomer...born '48, graduated SJU undergrad in 69... several friends died while I was still in school during our major war (50,000 of us did). I had joined the two year, SJU ROTC to keep the assistantship and graduated w/an MBA in '71..
I graduated with several SJU academic (natl honor society; top marketing graduate etc) and military honors. I have never mentioned them before but do here just to make the point that despite that record, I also have kept a three inch folder of well over 100 entry level rejection letters from corporations across the northeast. It took me over one year to find an opening. I appreciate it is very difficult today as well. I"m grateful when one of my 4 children secure a position, but very few of us could find jobs easily then either.
I'm also aware the my life and my peers was still better than my parents from that "greatest generation"..with the depression they faced as children, world war 2, Korea, and their self imposed mandate to build America's economic engine, sacrifice for their children, and sustain the nation's strength through the cold war.
The point is EVERY generation has its challenges. For some, it is frankly better today. Minorities and women and disabled today have a significantly enhanced chance of success because of the social struggles of their peers in that baby boomer generation. Yet, my generation should have done a lot better in a lot of other areas. But personal and community-wide economic and civic struggles are a common experience of all of us no matter what decade.
I appreciate I am way off the sports track. So to conclude, the constant refrain of highly judgmental even personal commentary that permeates the board so much the last few years, whether it's about the players, the coach, the fans, now even other generations, is diminishing what should be the pleasure of reading interesting and different points of view of people, with the skill to engage in debate objectively and insightfully, but also respectfully for the views and the journey of others.

Trivializing the situation the youth of today face only furthers the stereotypes that the older generation cannot just admit things were better for them. Do you read the headlines? Do you follow the crisis? Things haven't been this bad since the GREAT DEPRESSION! That's it! Not this bad since 1970...this bad since about 1930! I don't know why it's so hard to admit things are harder for our generation economically, educationally, opportunity wise, etc. I'm not saying it's impossible and there is no hope and of course there are plenty of lazy youth not looking for jobs when they should be, but the facts remain and it's a bleak outlook. How can you literally see headlines telling you it hasn't been this bad since the Great Depression, yet you ignore that and pretend you had the same bleak prospects in the 70's or whenever? It's just not true. Jobs used to be picked off trees. Now you can't find even an entry level one with plenty of education. In schools if you find a job, it's usually as a leave replacement and you likely get kicked out when they come back. Consider yourselves lucky you signed on with companies and stayed for life, because those days are over for new prospects. Pensions will also be history and people will work until death. But, no. Cheap gas, cheaper housing, cheap education, no debt, and easily attainable good paying jobs was just so hard.

You are correct. Entry level jobs are extremely hard to find unless as a new grad oyu can make an extremely good account of yourself on an interview. I know - I routinely interview new grads for positions. One thing I would suggest to universities is that they offer a 1 credit course on how to prepare a resume, and how to interview for a job. That would help a little. Honestly, the quality of students coming from schools is so horrendous, that you qould question just how diluted a college education is today. I've interviewed kids that are poorly dressed, poorly groomed, have poor verbal skills, haven't bothered to prepare by finding out about our company, know little about the position for which they are applying, and don't follow up post-interview by e-mail, phone, or gasp, a handwritten note.

Two of my kids are recent college grads, and both have secured good playing jobs in their chosen market sectors. They speak well, studied hard, dress well, and are hard workers. I have c lose friend's some who just graduated from Amherst. He landed a job in 4 months, after accepting a low paying internship with the same company to get his foot in. I asked him how many of his classmates had gotten jobs, and he responded that all of them had.

Unfortunately, now AND then, a college degree is not a guarantee of anything. You must bring real talent to the table, because frankly, businesses have too many top notch recent grads competing for entry level jobs. If any recent grad here is having trouble securing a job, I'd be glad to spend some time helping you prepare for an interview.

I think the whole "these kids coming in for interviews are dumb and not prepared at all" blanket statements are just a way of validating the interviewer's education to themselves. I find it hard to believe that many recent grads don't know that dressing professionally, grooming properly, being professional, having good resumes, and researching the company are essential parts of a successful interview. In almost every college curriculum you are forced to take a class that teaches you these things as a core requirement. Maybe your standards are just too high for someone young coming out of school. You can't expect them to know the ins and outs of everything in your business from day one. So many employers complain that the quality of applicants is low because they have unrealistic expectations. Colleges don't teach you what YOU want them to do specifically. That's why every company should just train their own kids to fit in whatever role you want, and then if at the end of the training they still can't do it, then dump em. Chances are they can perform the duties though if you make their role clear and train them. It's not the student's fault that most college curriculums are very general and don't really get too specific in developing skills. Good for your kids, but unfortunately they are the exception, not the rule so you should be really proud of them. Plenty of kids can give great interviews but if the experience isn't there, companies say "NEXT".

Joe, if you can read, and I'm not sure you can, it wasn't a blamket statement, since I pointed out that kids who present well, are bright, and do their homework wil do better than those who don't. Post an entry level job, and you get flooded with resumes. I do 10 minute phone interviews, and frankly, within that time, I know if I want to meet in person. Once you get that far, you'd be well advised to know something about our comapny, and have some questions prepared about what we do. Do show up well groomed with an interview suit, white or light colored shirt, and tie - business attire. Address the interviewer by his last name, show up on time, and be able to communicate why you feel you can do the job.

My kids are the exception - they are also in the top 10-15% of college grads that will do very well. They didn't luck into it. They've worked hard and are assets to their organizations. They don't have a hostility towards people that are older than themselves, and do not feel they are owed anything - even a job. They dress conservatively at work, and speak well. If you do all of those things, you will do well yourself. If you don't, and don't recognize it, you will spend a long time in your career being frustrated at the system, and think by going to OWS you will end up with a better job.

 

[LINY89]

So, I don't know where anyone would get the idea that graduating from SJU meant a likely, career path job for the baby boomers. There are common, significant social transformations all of us go through. Check out the struggles during the 60s and the economic situation in the early to mid 70s; check out the following10 years of essentially flat equity markets until Reagan got into power. All generations face major, seemingly unique struggles as today's young generations do...yet that is what is most common.
No matter how hard we worked at being successful, those who graduated in the late 60s through the mid 70s heard exactly same story. "We are in a recession, we aren't hiring." The jobs came back years later after several years of super high inflation and recession simultaneously. There were no job offers, unless you had experience, which as you note, you couldn't have as a graduate...we called it the catch 22.
I was an early boomer...born '48, graduated SJU undergrad in 69... several friends died while I was still in school during our major war (50,000 of us did). I had joined the two year, SJU ROTC to keep the assistantship and graduated w/an MBA in '71..
I graduated with several SJU academic (natl honor society; top marketing graduate etc) and military honors. I have never mentioned them before but do here just to make the point that despite that record, I also have kept a three inch folder of well over 100 entry level rejection letters from corporations across the northeast. It took me over one year to find an opening. I appreciate it is very difficult today as well. I"m grateful when one of my 4 children secure a position, but very few of us could find jobs easily then either.
I'm also aware the my life and my peers was still better than my parents from that "greatest generation"..with the depression they faced as children, world war 2, Korea, and their self imposed mandate to build America's economic engine, sacrifice for their children, and sustain the nation's strength through the cold war.
The point is EVERY generation has its challenges. For some, it is frankly better today. Minorities and women and disabled today have a significantly enhanced chance of success because of the social struggles of their peers in that baby boomer generation. Yet, my generation should have done a lot better in a lot of other areas. But personal and community-wide economic and civic struggles are a common experience of all of us no matter what decade.
I appreciate I am way off the sports track. So to conclude, the constant refrain of highly judgmental even personal commentary that permeates the board so much the last few years, whether it's about the players, the coach, the fans, now even other generations, is diminishing what should be the pleasure of reading interesting and different points of view of people, with the skill to engage in debate objectively and insightfully, but also respectfully for the views and the journey of others.

Trivializing the situation the youth of today face only furthers the stereotypes that the older generation cannot just admit things were better for them. Do you read the headlines? Do you follow the crisis? Things haven't been this bad since the GREAT DEPRESSION! That's it! Not this bad since 1970...this bad since about 1930! I don't know why it's so hard to admit things are harder for our generation economically, educationally, opportunity wise, etc. I'm not saying it's impossible and there is no hope and of course there are plenty of lazy youth not looking for jobs when they should be, but the facts remain and it's a bleak outlook. How can you literally see headlines telling you it hasn't been this bad since the Great Depression, yet you ignore that and pretend you had the same bleak prospects in the 70's or whenever? It's just not true. Jobs used to be picked off trees. Now you can't find even an entry level one with plenty of education. In schools if you find a job, it's usually as a leave replacement and you likely get kicked out when they come back. Consider yourselves lucky you signed on with companies and stayed for life, because those days are over for new prospects. Pensions will also be history and people will work until death. But, no. Cheap gas, cheaper housing, cheap education, no debt, and easily attainable good paying jobs was just so hard.

You are correct. Entry level jobs are extremely hard to find unless as a new grad oyu can make an extremely good account of yourself on an interview. I know - I routinely interview new grads for positions. One thing I would suggest to universities is that they offer a 1 credit course on how to prepare a resume, and how to interview for a job. That would help a little. Honestly, the quality of students coming from schools is so horrendous, that you qould question just how diluted a college education is today. I've interviewed kids that are poorly dressed, poorly groomed, have poor verbal skills, haven't bothered to prepare by finding out about our company, know little about the position for which they are applying, and don't follow up post-interview by e-mail, phone, or gasp, a handwritten note.

Two of my kids are recent college grads, and both have secured good playing jobs in their chosen market sectors. They speak well, studied hard, dress well, and are hard workers. I have c lose friend's some who just graduated from Amherst. He landed a job in 4 months, after accepting a low paying internship with the same company to get his foot in. I asked him how many of his classmates had gotten jobs, and he responded that all of them had.

Unfortunately, now AND then, a college degree is not a guarantee of anything. You must bring real talent to the table, because frankly, businesses have too many top notch recent grads competing for entry level jobs. If any recent grad here is having trouble securing a job, I'd be glad to spend some time helping you prepare for an interview.

I think the whole "these kids coming in for interviews are dumb and not prepared at all" blanket statements are just a way of validating the interviewer's education to themselves. I find it hard to believe that many recent grads don't know that dressing professionally, grooming properly, being professional, having good resumes, and researching the company are essential parts of a successful interview. In almost every college curriculum you are forced to take a class that teaches you these things as a core requirement. Maybe your standards are just too high for someone young coming out of school. You can't expect them to know the ins and outs of everything in your business from day one. So many employers complain that the quality of applicants is low because they have unrealistic expectations. Colleges don't teach you what YOU want them to do specifically. That's why every company should just train their own kids to fit in whatever role you want, and then if at the end of the training they still can't do it, then dump em. Chances are they can perform the duties though if you make their role clear and train them. It's not the student's fault that most college curriculums are very general and don't really get too specific in developing skills. Good for your kids, but unfortunately they are the exception, not the rule so you should be really proud of them. Plenty of kids can give great interviews but if the experience isn't there, companies say "NEXT".

Joe, if you can read, and I'm not sure you can, it wasn't a blamket statement, since I pointed out that kids who present well, are bright, and do their homework wil do better than those who don't. Post an entry level job, and you get flooded with resumes. I do 10 minute phone interviews, and frankly, within that time, I know if I want to meet in person. Once you get that far, you'd be well advised to know something about our comapny, and have some questions prepared about what we do. Do show up well groomed with an interview suit, white or light colored shirt, and tie - business attire. Address the interviewer by his last name, show up on time, and be able to communicate why you feel you can do the job.

My kids are the exception - they are also in the top 10-15% of college grads that will do very well. They didn't luck into it. They've worked hard and are assets to their organizations. They don't have a hostility towards people that are older than themselves, and do not feel they are owed anything - even a job. They dress conservatively at work, and speak well. If you do all of those things, you will do well yourself. If you don't, and don't recognize it, you will spend a long time in your career being frustrated at the system, and think by going to OWS you will end up with a better job.

But what you fail to realize is that many people grew up honors students, went to good colleges, maintained good GPA's, interviewed well and STILL don't get their big break. Luck absolutely has some to do with it. I know of a friend who heard by word of mouth that there was a teacher position open at a high school. The openings are usually posted online, but this one wasn't. He applied, got interviewed, and got the job. Do you know how many other prospective teachers there are out there with amazing grades and come from Ivy and other upper-echelon grad programs who can't find a full time position? Don't tell me luck doesn't play a major role. How many people do you know who found jobs because they "met a guy who knows a guy..." etc. I would guess a lot even if you don't want to admit it. Sometimes trying hard with a strong resume just does not cut it through no fault of the applicants. I always say that dedication and hard work gets you a seat at the table, but you may need some luck to actually land the position. My friend who got that teaching job just so happened to get an interviewer who went to the same school. You can't tell me that didn't factor in.

There are TONS of very competitive applicants out there, but the line is extremely long so most still won't get a spot. My main point is, that line was not there back in your days or at least drastically shorter. Almost every middle-aged adult that brings up jobs has told me that it was easier in their day and jobs were there waiting for you even before you graduated. Dedication and hardwork gets you a lotto ticket, but to win the lotto you need a bit (or a lot) of luck.

 

[beast of the east]

So, I don't know where anyone would get the idea that graduating from SJU meant a likely, career path job for the baby boomers. There are common, significant social transformations all of us go through. Check out the struggles during the 60s and the economic situation in the early to mid 70s; check out the following10 years of essentially flat equity markets until Reagan got into power. All generations face major, seemingly unique struggles as today's young generations do...yet that is what is most common.
No matter how hard we worked at being successful, those who graduated in the late 60s through the mid 70s heard exactly same story. "We are in a recession, we aren't hiring." The jobs came back years later after several years of super high inflation and recession simultaneously. There were no job offers, unless you had experience, which as you note, you couldn't have as a graduate...we called it the catch 22.
I was an early boomer...born '48, graduated SJU undergrad in 69... several friends died while I was still in school during our major war (50,000 of us did). I had joined the two year, SJU ROTC to keep the assistantship and graduated w/an MBA in '71..
I graduated with several SJU academic (natl honor society; top marketing graduate etc) and military honors. I have never mentioned them before but do here just to make the point that despite that record, I also have kept a three inch folder of well over 100 entry level rejection letters from corporations across the northeast. It took me over one year to find an opening. I appreciate it is very difficult today as well. I"m grateful when one of my 4 children secure a position, but very few of us could find jobs easily then either.
I'm also aware the my life and my peers was still better than my parents from that "greatest generation"..with the depression they faced as children, world war 2, Korea, and their self imposed mandate to build America's economic engine, sacrifice for their children, and sustain the nation's strength through the cold war.
The point is EVERY generation has its challenges. For some, it is frankly better today. Minorities and women and disabled today have a significantly enhanced chance of success because of the social struggles of their peers in that baby boomer generation. Yet, my generation should have done a lot better in a lot of other areas. But personal and community-wide economic and civic struggles are a common experience of all of us no matter what decade.
I appreciate I am way off the sports track. So to conclude, the constant refrain of highly judgmental even personal commentary that permeates the board so much the last few years, whether it's about the players, the coach, the fans, now even other generations, is diminishing what should be the pleasure of reading interesting and different points of view of people, with the skill to engage in debate objectively and insightfully, but also respectfully for the views and the journey of others.

Trivializing the situation the youth of today face only furthers the stereotypes that the older generation cannot just admit things were better for them. Do you read the headlines? Do you follow the crisis? Things haven't been this bad since the GREAT DEPRESSION! That's it! Not this bad since 1970...this bad since about 1930! I don't know why it's so hard to admit things are harder for our generation economically, educationally, opportunity wise, etc. I'm not saying it's impossible and there is no hope and of course there are plenty of lazy youth not looking for jobs when they should be, but the facts remain and it's a bleak outlook. How can you literally see headlines telling you it hasn't been this bad since the Great Depression, yet you ignore that and pretend you had the same bleak prospects in the 70's or whenever? It's just not true. Jobs used to be picked off trees. Now you can't find even an entry level one with plenty of education. In schools if you find a job, it's usually as a leave replacement and you likely get kicked out when they come back. Consider yourselves lucky you signed on with companies and stayed for life, because those days are over for new prospects. Pensions will also be history and people will work until death. But, no. Cheap gas, cheaper housing, cheap education, no debt, and easily attainable good paying jobs was just so hard.

You are correct. Entry level jobs are extremely hard to find unless as a new grad oyu can make an extremely good account of yourself on an interview. I know - I routinely interview new grads for positions. One thing I would suggest to universities is that they offer a 1 credit course on how to prepare a resume, and how to interview for a job. That would help a little. Honestly, the quality of students coming from schools is so horrendous, that you qould question just how diluted a college education is today. I've interviewed kids that are poorly dressed, poorly groomed, have poor verbal skills, haven't bothered to prepare by finding out about our company, know little about the position for which they are applying, and don't follow up post-interview by e-mail, phone, or gasp, a handwritten note.

Two of my kids are recent college grads, and both have secured good playing jobs in their chosen market sectors. They speak well, studied hard, dress well, and are hard workers. I have c lose friend's some who just graduated from Amherst. He landed a job in 4 months, after accepting a low paying internship with the same company to get his foot in. I asked him how many of his classmates had gotten jobs, and he responded that all of them had.

Unfortunately, now AND then, a college degree is not a guarantee of anything. You must bring real talent to the table, because frankly, businesses have too many top notch recent grads competing for entry level jobs. If any recent grad here is having trouble securing a job, I'd be glad to spend some time helping you prepare for an interview.

I think the whole "these kids coming in for interviews are dumb and not prepared at all" blanket statements are just a way of validating the interviewer's education to themselves. I find it hard to believe that many recent grads don't know that dressing professionally, grooming properly, being professional, having good resumes, and researching the company are essential parts of a successful interview. In almost every college curriculum you are forced to take a class that teaches you these things as a core requirement. Maybe your standards are just too high for someone young coming out of school. You can't expect them to know the ins and outs of everything in your business from day one. So many employers complain that the quality of applicants is low because they have unrealistic expectations. Colleges don't teach you what YOU want them to do specifically. That's why every company should just train their own kids to fit in whatever role you want, and then if at the end of the training they still can't do it, then dump em. Chances are they can perform the duties though if you make their role clear and train them. It's not the student's fault that most college curriculums are very general and don't really get too specific in developing skills. Good for your kids, but unfortunately they are the exception, not the rule so you should be really proud of them. Plenty of kids can give great interviews but if the experience isn't there, companies say "NEXT".

Joe, if you can read, and I'm not sure you can, it wasn't a blamket statement, since I pointed out that kids who present well, are bright, and do their homework wil do better than those who don't. Post an entry level job, and you get flooded with resumes. I do 10 minute phone interviews, and frankly, within that time, I know if I want to meet in person. Once you get that far, you'd be well advised to know something about our comapny, and have some questions prepared about what we do. Do show up well groomed with an interview suit, white or light colored shirt, and tie - business attire. Address the interviewer by his last name, show up on time, and be able to communicate why you feel you can do the job.

My kids are the exception - they are also in the top 10-15% of college grads that will do very well. They didn't luck into it. They've worked hard and are assets to their organizations. They don't have a hostility towards people that are older than themselves, and do not feel they are owed anything - even a job. They dress conservatively at work, and speak well. If you do all of those things, you will do well yourself. If you don't, and don't recognize it, you will spend a long time in your career being frustrated at the system, and think by going to OWS you will end up with a better job.

But what you fail to realize is that many people grew up honors students, went to good colleges, maintained good GPA's, interviewed well and STILL don't get their big break. Luck absolutely has some to do with it. I know of a friend who heard by word of mouth that there was a teacher position open at a high school. The openings are usually posted online, but this one wasn't. He applied, got interviewed, and got the job. Do you know how many other prospective teachers there are out there with amazing grades and come from Ivy and other upper-echelon grad programs who can't find a full time position? Don't tell me luck doesn't play a major role. How many people do you know who found jobs because they "met a guy who knows a guy..." etc. I would guess a lot even if you don't want to admit it. Sometimes trying hard with a strong resume just does not cut it through no fault of the applicants. I always say that dedication and hard work gets you a seat at the table, but you may need some luck to actually land the position. My friend who got that teaching job just so happened to get an interviewer who went to the same school. You can't tell me that didn't factor in.

There are TONS of very competitive applicants out there, but the line is extremely long so most still won't get a spot. My main point is, that line was not there back in your days or at least drastically shorter. Almost every middle-aged adult that brings up jobs has told me that it was easier in their day and jobs were there waiting for you even before you graduated. Dedication and hardwork gets you a lotto ticket, but to win the lotto you need a bit (or a lot) of luck.

Joe, as others have pointed out, there have been tough markets before, and I'd agree there is nothing like this one. The reaosn I believ ethat is I don't believe this market is coming back full force. With automation, outsourcing, and cheaper & less regulated manufacturing happening elsewhere, I don't know if there will be enough jobs to support our population.

Small businesses create 80% of the new jobs in this country, and my point is, an interview, which admittedly is a very subjective process is a lot like a basketball team tryout. Lots of kids can play but there are only 12 spots to fill. Some will go to people with specific skills (the tall guys), and there are a ton of those without specific skills (guards) competing for jobs. Most won't get them. You have to do your best to set yourself apart.

The first impression anyone makes is on physical appearance. Not nice to say, but if you are 50 pounds overweight and don't dress well, aren't well groomed with a haircut and clean shaven, you could be Steve Wozniak (good example huh) and still not be seriously considered.

Luck does play a part, so its a numbers game. So, prepare yourself as well as you can, work on interview skills, dress well, show some serious interest that is reinforced by an outsider's best knowledge about what the company does, and you will do fine.

 

[Class of 72]

About 30 posts ago this thread was about DePaul Attendance ..... Now I could not even take a guess!
I am cursing under my breath. LOL!

 

[simplyred]

About 30 posts ago this thread was about DePaul Attendance ..... Now I could not even take a guess!
I am cursing under my breath. LOL!

I skipped all those chapter length-posts about God-knows-what, to find yours at the end. The brevity is refreshing.

 

[LINY89]

In conclusion the attendance for the DePaul game was very good