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 My only point has been that when a team in SJU's situation is making a big hiring decision it makes no sense to add someone who would not be considered should Lavin move on. So far I haven't read anything that would change my mind about this. The big time programs have produced a ton of head coaches among their assistants. Why not us? Hell, even a couple of Norm's assistants became heads. Dunlap was a surprise to me and I really don't know whether we would have considered him for the top job. Allocco raises similar questions but he doesn't have the resume Dunlap did.
 
 My only point has been that when a team in SJU's situation is making a big hiring decision it makes no sense to add someone who would not be considered should Lavin move on. So far I haven't read anything that would change my mind about this. The big time programs have produced a ton of head coaches among their assistants. Why not us? Hell, even a couple of Norm's assistants became heads. Dunlap was a surprise to me and I really don't know whether we would have considered him for the top job. Allocco raises similar questions but he doesn't have the resume Dunlap did.
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Interesting point about coaching trees. I think a lot are more bark than bite. There is something to be said for a coaching tree. The better coaching trees are usually revolving doors with lots of people moving and moving fairly quickly. Having one spot like that on the staff isn't bad IMO. But I'd like consistency with the assistants.
 
 My only point has been that when a team in SJU's situation is making a big hiring decision it makes no sense to add someone who would not be considered should Lavin move on. So far I haven't read anything that would change my mind about this. The big time programs have produced a ton of head coaches among their assistants. Why not us? Hell, even a couple of Norm's assistants became heads. Dunlap was a surprise to me and I really don't know whether we would have considered him for the top job. Allocco raises similar questions but he doesn't have the resume Dunlap did.
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Lavin is still a young man. If he stays another 8 years he can build a dynasty. I would not worry about an assistants' job at this stage of his career. We have the luxury of having two great coaches even in non-coaching roles (Hicks and Keady) and Tony and Rico work great with young players. Lav is a great motivator and if Allocco signs, we will have two of the best in the game. Let' s enjoy the current staff. ;)
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
 
 when I first heard Alloocca name and read his resume, I was dissappointed that he had no college exp.But, the more I read about him ,the more I like.
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
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hope he can secure a few top 25 players
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
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hope he can secure a few top 25 players
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Don't thin Bob Knight fits in a "successful promotions" category - espeically one where the criteria is "becoming a dominant power". A Hall of Fame coach, no doubt. But when he was promoted from Assistant to head coach, it was for Army - where he was 18-8 with inherited talent his 1st year, but then dropped to 13 wins. He then had 3 nice years of NIT appearances, but his last year at West Point was 11-13, before leaving for Indiana...
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If the criteria is becoming a dominant power then Joe B Hall doesn't fit either. If that's the criteria nearly nobody fits -- nobody who gets hired out-of-house and no assistant who gets promoted, because rarely do schools go from nowhere to superpower in a coaching generation. It was a stupid criteria, which is why I dismissed it half a dozen posts ago. Coaches who turn nothing schools into dominant powers go to the hall of fame: Jim Calhoun for example. Mike Ktryckshrinski. Johnny Clamchowder. Even the deepest of deep thinkers on this site don't sit around navel gazing about whether SJ should replace TGAPL should he leave with a hall of fame coach. Except for one or two of the really sooper genyiouses they'd all agree that was a good idea. The real question was whether an assistant can be successful when promoted and the answer is obviously yes.

Knight was 102-50 in five years at Army. That's a winning percentage of .67. That's pretty successful. It might not meet muster at UCLA but we SJ fans have lower standards. By way of contrast, TGAPL had a winning percentage of .65 at UCLA. His percentage at SJ is .52. Over the last three years of his career he's 44-50 and he should be on his knees thanking Norm Roberts for the class that got him even there. From that perspective 7 wins every 10 games looks perty good. And anyway someone will be a long in a tick to tell you how prestigious the NIT was during the Coolidge administration.
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Fun-surely you jest with your on your knees thanking Norm remark. Inheriting a below 500 conference record team of all seniors is not an advantageous situation as I am sure you are aware of.
 
Fun-surely you jest with your on your knees thanking Norm remark. Inheriting a below 500 conference record team of all seniors is not an advantageous situation as I am sure you are aware of.
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Er no. Nearly anyone could have won 20 games with those seniors, almost every one of whom are playing professionally. Absent those players TGAPL is 23-38 since 2002. Fellatio seems a small reward.
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 My only point has been that when a team in SJU's situation is making a big hiring decision it makes no sense to add someone who would not be considered should Lavin move on. So far I haven't read anything that would change my mind about this. The big time programs have produced a ton of head coaches among their assistants. Why not us? Hell, even a couple of Norm's assistants became heads. Dunlap was a surprise to me and I really don't know whether we would have considered him for the top job. Allocco raises similar questions but he doesn't have the resume Dunlap did.
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Interesting point about coaching trees. I think a lot are more bark than bite. There is something to be said for a coaching tree. The better coaching trees are usually revolving doors with lots of people moving and moving fairly quickly. Having one spot like that on the staff isn't bad IMO. But I'd like consistency with the assistants.
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Good point. Anyone have any idea how many HC's Calhoun has produced over his 20 plus years ? I know the Stonybrook guy,Leaito,Moore and maybe I'm forgetting 1 or 2 ?
 
Fun-surely you jest with your on your knees thanking Norm remark. Inheriting a below 500 conference record team of all seniors is not an advantageous situation as I am sure you are aware of.
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Er no. Nearly anyone could have won 20 games with those seniors, almost every one of whom are playing professionally. Absent those players TGAPL is 23-38 since 2002. Fellatio seems a small reward.
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Yeah nearly everyone except Norm. Don't want to get in a war of words with you fun just please promise not to hurt me or my family (daughter is deathly afraid of clowns).  :)
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Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
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Interesting point. Just a thought, but I wonder if part of Lavin's strategy here is having someone with more West Coast based ties to compliment Chiles' East Coast based ties from a recruiting perspective. Obviously we are recruiting on a national basis now irrespective of whether we have ties to a particular area or not - and Lavin is a West Coast guy himself - but it seems that Lavin likes versatility in everything that he does. If what you are saying above is true then this move provides that. A tactician that also has contacts that are likely to provide even greater ground-level recruiting access on the other side of the country. Even if Lavin could have covered this himself, helpful to have assistance and more options as he runs the program.
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
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Interesting point. Just a thought, but I wonder if part of Lavin's strategy here is having someone with more West Coast based ties to compliment Chiles' East Coast based ties from a recruiting perspective. Obviously we are recruiting on a national basis now irrespective of whether we have ties to a particular area or not - and Lavin is a West Coast guy himself - but it seems that Lavin likes versatility in everything that he does. If what you are saying above is true then this move provides that. A tactician that also has contacts that are likely to provide even greater ground-level recruiting access on the other side of the country. Even if Lavin could have covered this himself, helpful to have assistance and more options as he runs the program.
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Allocco is well liked by the guys at the Oakland Soldiers. . .
 
Lavin knows best as to whom he'll feel most comfortable working with and what the needs of his coaching staff are, so naturally I defer 100% to his judgment. But personally, I was hoping to see someone with NBA coaching experience -- not exclusively, and not necessarily "a name" -- replace Dunlap. (I see replacing him as this point of this hire, and not looking years down the road to replace Lavin as a HC.) I just think adding someone like that to the staff would be a more attractive sell to top-level recruits who are looking to play in the NBA (and who doesn't?). But to reiterate, I'm fine with whatever choice Lavin makes.  
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It seems to me by reading everything that been put out there that many of the top recruits attend Allocco's camps and thus he already has relationships with them and also with the AAU and other Highschool coaches.
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Interesting point. Just a thought, but I wonder if part of Lavin's strategy here is having someone with more West Coast based ties to compliment Chiles' East Coast based ties from a recruiting perspective. Obviously we are recruiting on a national basis now irrespective of whether we have ties to a particular area or not - and Lavin is a West Coast guy himself - but it seems that Lavin likes versatility in everything that he does. If what you are saying above is true then this move provides that. A tactician that also has contacts that are likely to provide even greater ground-level recruiting access on the other side of the country. Even if Lavin could have covered this himself, helpful to have assistance and more options as he runs the program.
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Allocco is well liked by the guys at the Oakland Soldiers. . .
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Theres a talented program. Although some of them (Turner, Brown, kiwi) have turned out to be problems at the college level.
 
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