Dayton Big East Expansion

Would be a welcome addition to the conference. Give me your comments have a great fan base and travel well. Would love to see them at MSG for tournament .
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I'd take them, and VCU, in a heartbeat!
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VCU doesn't fit. It has absolutely no tradition or history and is only appealing now because of Shaka Smart. They have no natural rivalries in the Big East...just not the right fit.

Dayton is a monster program that too many undervalue. They travel exceptionally well, they are in the top 20 in attendance over the last 2-3 decades, they have history, they have a rivalry with Xavier, they have recent success, and they are Catholic. If we add two, I'd like to see Dayton first and then look at Gonzaga (spare me the logistics argument, it can easily be done), St. Louis, or as I recommended three years ago, Wichita State. They have no football.
 
If the Big East expands doesn't that hurt our chance for an NCAA bid?
 
Would be a welcome addition to the conference. Give me your comments have a great fan base and travel well. Would love to see them at MSG for tournament .
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I'd take them, and VCU, in a heartbeat!
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VCU doesn't fit. It has absolutely no tradition or history and is only appealing now because of Shaka Smart. They have no natural rivalries in the Big East...just not the right fit.

Dayton is a monster program that too many undervalue. They travel exceptionally well, they are in the top 20 in attendance over the last 2-3 decades, they have history, they have a rivalry with Xavier, they have recent success, and they are Catholic. If we add two, I'd like to see Dayton first and then look at Gonzaga (spare me the logistics argument, it can easily be done), St. Louis, or as I recommended three years ago, Wichita State. They have no football.
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I think Dayton and Wichita State would be ideal. The conference would have a somewhat geographical structure. Though I'm pretty sure we offered Dayton and SLU to be members with the other new additions and they rejected. But it might have been VCU instead of Dayton, I don't remember. All I know is we were shooting for a 12 team conference and got a 10 team conference instead. I'd much rather a 12 team one though.

Gonzaga in the Big East probably won't ever happen though. It just wouldn't make any sense at all in a basketball world, but I like Wichita State.
 
Archie, with no answers up 6 lose by 9 at essentially home. Well typical of non power 5. Win one and usually go home.
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Played 6 games in 10 days, ran out of gas but were competitive to the end. won 5 NCAA games the last 2 years.
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And we go six deep, with no one bigger than 6'-6", and we -- and Lavin -- don't get the pass that Archie and the Flyers do? Bottom line: Dayton was awful, totally discombobulated, in final 10 minutes of their loss, and Archie has to take some blame for it.
 
Why would the ten members share their cut of the take? Fox does not give them additional money for the added teams. The league is going to follow the same formula. Schedule a strong OOC schedule and coach those November and December games like it is March.

It worked out just fine for them this year.
 
Why would the ten members share their cut of the take? Fox does not give them additional money for the added teams. The league is going to follow the same formula. Schedule a strong OOC schedule and coach those November and December games like it is March.

It worked out just fine for them this year.
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BE hierarchy love the 10-team set up, so don't expect expansion any time soon.
 
Why would the ten members share their cut of the take? Fox does not give them additional money for the added teams. The league is going to follow the same formula. Schedule a strong OOC schedule and coach those November and December games like it is March.

It worked out just fine for them this year.
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BE hierarchy love the 10-team set up, so don't expect expansion any time soon.
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Thank you Redken. Expanding is what killed the original Big East. Granted I know it was different b/c of football, but we have a perfect set up right now. We got 60% of our teams in the NCAA this year. Not many conferences can claim that. Hopefully that can be the norm on a regular basis. You go to 11 or 12 teams, I don't think that will continue.
 
Austor wrote: My comment is it's been criminal that an 11 seed has been given 3 home games. Haven't read the "BE in NCAA" thread so it may have been discussed ad nauseum already.

I agree that it was ridiculous that they got three home games. The tournament committee always seem to have some bizarre agenda.

Additionally Dayton was handed the play-in game against Boise State by the refs. They swallowed their whistle and let Dayton get insanely physical during their big comeback and then finished it off with a horrendous non call against Boise on a three with two seconds left that would have given them the game.
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Yeah it was all a big conspiracy to get Dayton to advance as far as possible. The same conspirators who conspired to get us out of the tournament as soon as possible.
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No, it was a great big thank you to Dayton for supporting the play in games so strongly all these years. AND sold even more tix for the play in games. Doesn't make it any less unsavory. Boise lost to them by one in their gym. Not fair to Boise. Should have put in a different number 11 team there.
 
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Would be a welcome addition to the conference. Give me your comments have a great fan base and travel well. Would love to see them at MSG for tournament .
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I'd take them, and VCU, in a heartbeat!
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VCU doesn't fit. It has absolutely no tradition or history and is only appealing now because of Shaka Smart. They have no natural rivalries in the Big East...just not the right fit.

Dayton is a monster program that too many undervalue. They travel exceptionally well, they are in the top 20 in attendance over the last 2-3 decades, they have history, they have a rivalry with Xavier, they have recent success, and they are Catholic. If we add two, I'd like to see Dayton first and then look at Gonzaga (spare me the logistics argument, it can easily be done), St. Louis, or as I recommended three years ago, Wichita State. They have no football.
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I think Dayton and Wichita State would be ideal. The conference would have a somewhat geographical structure. Though I'm pretty sure we offered Dayton and SLU to be members with the other new additions and they rejected. But it might have been VCU instead of Dayton, I don't remember. All I know is we were shooting for a 12 team conference and got a 10 team conference instead. I'd much rather a 12 team one though.

Gonzaga in the Big East probably won't ever happen though. It just wouldn't make any sense at all in a basketball world, but I like Wichita State.
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Dayton wasn't offered nor was anyone else that is not currently in the Conference. They are always mentioned as a possibility if we expand. As pointed out by another poster, right now the Conference is happy with the current 10 teams. Doesn't mean that they would be adverse to expanding in the future if there is another change in the dynamics and landscape of Conferences.

Gonzaga would not fit because it is a logistic nightmare especially conference's other sports.
 
In light of FOX's ratings this far, I'm not sure expansion makes sense as I doubt the network offers more money just because of the increased game package. Not sure we want to split the same pie 12 ways. That said, Dayton has terrific facilities, a good history, and travels well. Would be a real nice addition.

I agree with the Witchita State call - as it compliments Creighton. Don't know anything abount its facilities or fan base, but you get the feeling that program is here to stay as an interesting one.

As others have said, just not sure VCU has legs post Shaka. Of course, he actually seems happy their and maybe stays ten more years. You never know. But I suspect not and note really sure it's that much better of a program than Richmond long term.

One more note (forgive me) - I never post but read this board religiously and wanted to thqnk everyone for another great season of lively debate. The SDSU game sucked but was cool seeing the photos of you guys raging in NC.
 
Would expect Dayton & St. Louis, the latter an untapped market. Catholics tend to like Catholics. Well, sometimes. :)
 
I believe it is imperative to bring in two more teams where fans travel.

We did not sell out one session of the big east tournament in the first two years of the conference tournament. Secondly, I am sure MSG would like to have two more games on that Wed afternoon session.

This is what the ACC will go after us about in a few years that they can sell out MSG and they will have additional games during the day.
 
Would expect Dayton & St. Louis, the latter an untapped market. Catholics tend to like Catholics. Well, sometimes. :)
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Both schools are natural choices for the next expansion. I challenge anyone that looks down on Dayton to do their research on the program. I believe they would change their minds rather quickly.

Couple of quick facts:
-13,435 capacity arena known as one of best venues in country
-1967 National runnerup
-Three Elite Eight appearances: 1967, 1984, 2014
-Seven Sweet 16's over five decades
-Started playing in 1903
-Ranked in top 25 in attendance 18 times
-Finished 26th in attendance last year with 12,438 per game
-Travels exceptionally well
-150 game rivalry with Xavier dating back to 1920; Dayton 81-69
 
Would expect Dayton & St. Louis, the latter an untapped market. Catholics tend to like Catholics. Well, sometimes. :)
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Both schools are natural choices for the next expansion. I challenge anyone that looks down on Dayton to do their research on the program. I believe they would change their minds rather quickly.

Couple of quick facts:
-13,435 capacity arena known as one of best venues in country
-1967 National runnerup
-Three Elite Eight appearances: 1967, 1984, 2014
-Seven Sweet 16's over five decades
-Started playing in 1903
-Ranked in top 25 in attendance 18 times
-Finished 26th in attendance last year with 12,438 per game
-Travels exceptionally well
-150 game rivalry with Xavier dating back to 1920; Dayton 81-69
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All fine and good. But under that scenario the balance of BE power is now in the Midwest. And that could be problematic down the road.
 
Dayton, Gonzaga, UConn (if they drop football), VCU.

Those should be the 4 candidates, take the 2 that work. Richmond would be an awful selection and St. Louis would be meh.
 
10 teams is working well, but I would be on board with Dayton if the BE expanded. I don't really see any downside to Dayton. VCU is a tough call. They may not have a ton of history, but their last 3 coaches have been winners at VCU, going back to Jeff Capel 12/13 years ago. Geographically makes sense going down 95...Providence, NYC, Philly, DC, Richmond.
 
I'll take Fordam & Manhattan. I don't want 2 more schools to kills twice annually.
 
The conference won't expand unless fox says they'll pay an additional $10 mil plus per season. Because none of the current schools want a lesser share of the pie. That's the bottom line.

As much as I'd like Dayton and St Louis, fox won't pay an additional 20mil per season for that, so it's not going to happen.
 
I would love nothing more than to keep the league as is.

I love the genuine home/home balanced schedule, such a rarity nowadays.

The schools in this conference need to step it up. Dayton, VCU, etc. All respectable programs, but none are game changers, sorry.

Bad tourney yes, but the league has upside still. Lots of talent being recruited, so we'll see. The short game has bumps, but all things considered, the league is staying in the conversation so to speak, and six entries shows it gets its share of notice and respect. But if the programs in the league now don't step it up, adding more mid-level quality ain't going to amount to much.
 
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