I agree with that illegal guns are a big problem, however a lot of that has to do with the NRA's stance on background checks and private dealers. There is no way that it makes sense for an individual to buy 3 guns in Georgia today, 3 in South Carolina the next day, 3 in North Carolina the following day, and on the last sat 3 more in Virginia. This is one of the chains by which guns reach Philly, NYC, and Chicago. I am not against individuals having guns, but the NRA needs to support a system of checks and balances that helps keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Darius Lee
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All of these points are fair.
I am not a gun owner, have never held a loaded gun and don't intend to...I got an eye opening when I moved to NC and seeing how important guns are to people.
While I do agree better controls and limits might help just a bit, I think its still more of a media and political talking point.
If guns were harder to purchase everywhere tomorrow I don't think it would lessen the murder rates all that much. Somehow, whether thru black market, broken into homes etc guns will find there way to those wanting them if there is a market.
No one tackles the bigger issues of why they are being fired. That's social, economic, education etc. They all get talked about plenty though.
I am not a gun owner, have never held a loaded gun and don't intend to...I got an eye opening when I moved to NC and seeing how important guns are to people.
While I do agree better controls and limits might help just a bit, I think its still more of a media and political talking point.
If guns were harder to purchase everywhere tomorrow I don't think it would lessen the murder rates all that much. Somehow, whether thru black market, broken into homes etc guns will find there way to those wanting them if there is a market.
No one tackles the bigger issues of why they are being fired. That's social, economic, education etc. They all get talked about plenty though.
As a 74 year old Black Man, I am ashamed to say that this senseless murder highlights what is a significant problem in the Black Community today. If a White policeman had been responsible for the shooting of Darius Lee, Crump, Sharpton, Jackson, and all the other "Fake leaders", would be organizing protests and planning lawsuits. However, none of these so called "Black Activists", want to address "Black on Black" crime. Why, because there is no money to be made, who can they rail against or sue? SMFH.
Unfortunately, there is no easy solution for this problem. Individuals living in certain minority communities, are at risk of being subjected to gang violence every day. If they speak out against what is going on, they put themselves and their families at risk of retaliation.
The only way the violence will stop is with a combined effort of the Mayor, Police Dept., and responsible members of the community.
Unfortunately, there is no easy solution for this problem. Individuals living in certain minority communities, are at risk of being subjected to gang violence every day. If they speak out against what is going on, they put themselves and their families at risk of retaliation.
The only way the violence will stop is with a combined effort of the Mayor, Police Dept., and responsible members of the community.
Outstanding Post , Panther . Adams or Hochul should appoint you to a Position where you can put some Plans into Action . You seem able to fit in with all the Constituencies that need to be involved in trying to fix this enormous problem . White , Black , Hispanic , Asian all need a place at the table . I nominate you to Chair the Group and give it Powers to implement in fixing this problem that affects all Americans everywhere .
Anthony Mattia
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It doesn't matter what laws they put in place. Laws, like locks, are for good law abiding citizens. They mean nothing to criminals.
Johnny Rapper
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From your post Panther, it would seem that a big problem here is gang related violence. The fact that good people, solid citizens have to live with this daily is just a disgrace. Are these people not entitled to live without fear of harm in their daily lives? I know that such a past practice like stop and frisk was deemed racist and unconstitutional cause it singled out people of color but can a similar practice when it comes to gang members be justified? Should there not be something set up to make their lives and their gang existence miserable? If I'm the mayor of NYC, my first priority would to be to protect my constituents and if it meant compromising the rights of certain undesirable individuals, so be it. How do you feel about that Panther?
I only have problem with Stop and Frisk, if the Police stop someone and after frisking them, do not find any weapons, but do find a bag of marijuana, they should have the discretion to keep the marijuana without arresting the individual.
If Stop and Frisk is used logically, I am in favor of it. Something has to be done to stop the violence in Black and Minority Communities.
Would that all of society was as blessed with the same common sense as you are blessed.
Rocket
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According to federal law, any licensed dealer who sells a gun must first conduct a background check. It’s required whether the sale happens inside a gun store, at a gun show or on the shoulder of a backcountry road. They key factor is if the seller has a federal firearms license (FFL), they must conduct a background check.
Now, not all licensed sellers have store fronts. Many operate small businesses out of their home or garage. There are about 135,000 licensed dealers across the country. There are close to 60,000 unlicensed dealers who sell at gun shows, on lineand privately.
There is no federal law requiring private unlicensed dealers to perform background checks! WHY???
The NRA doesn’t object to background checks.
They supported the NICS requirement. However states like NY and NJ have not extended the requirement to private dealers.
The New Jersey National Instant Criminal Background Check System is only for use by licensed State of New Jersey Firearm Dealers possessing a Federal Firearms License (FFL) authorized to conduct business with the New Jersey Police NICS Unit.
So where do criminals get guns? Theft, black market transactions, and straw purchases.
There are over a quarter of a million guns stolen every year.
That's a lot of illegal guns making their way to cities like Chicago, NYC, St. Louis, L.A., Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia etc.
The government crackdown on gun ownership and sales seemingly applies only to legal sales without aggressive enforcement of illegal transactions and punishment of illegal possession.
Since we are a Federalist government each state establishes their own gun laws that must meet the minimum Federal Law mandates.
People on either side of the political spectrum like to make it a Blue State vs. Red State issue but ironically it is the Blue States and cities with the strictest gun laws that have the biggest gun related crime problems.
Who is concerned that 60 percent of gun deaths are by suicide by licensed gun owners???
Supreme court ruling just came down:
nypost.com
Supreme Court overturns New York law on carrying concealed weapons
The Supreme Court has struck down New York’s century-old law restricting the carrying of concealed firearms, its first major Second Amendment decision in more than a decade and a ruling that…
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Johnny Rapper
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I know that many will look at this as a negative ruling but consider this. The bad guys are already walking around with illegal guns, the law does not affect them one way or another. However, in the past many of the good guys who have needed protection were victims of the bad guys as they had no way to protect themselves. New York has made it almost impossible to get a concealed carry license. I have a friend who owned a jewelry store, tried several times to get a concealed carry permit but was turned down. He was also the victim of more then a few hold ups and one time even pistol whipped. One of the main reasons he got out of the business is cause of that. Many businesses ,store owners carry illegal firearms to protect themselves and figure that they would rather face the consequence of being arrested then getting killed.Supreme court ruling just came down:
Supreme Court overturns New York law on carrying concealed weapons
The Supreme Court has struck down New York’s century-old law restricting the carrying of concealed firearms, its first major Second Amendment decision in more than a decade and a ruling that…
Where I live, in Florida, a carry license is commonplace and has not added to the amount of crimes committed. In fact my county has the greatest per capita gun ownership in Florida and, the last I saw, the least number of break ins or home invasions nationally which is a wonderful thing.
To soon to say what kind of impact this wil have in NY, but all I'll say is that I am far more concerned about illegal gun owners then I am about legal gun owners. The main concern that I have about this is that it will put more guns in circulation which will result in more guns getting stolen, sold illegally, etc. But, I believe, 43 states already have similar types of freedoms, some red states and some blue states. We'll see what kind of impact this has on NY.
Johnny Rapper
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I think the whole thing comes down to enforcing the current laws out there instead of creating new ones. Some groups will scream we need more gun control laws but that same group will be more likely to be lenient when a gun toting criminal is arrested, putting him back out on the street. One need only observe NYC DA Alvin Bragg's office decisions to witness that.
Anthony Mattia
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This is a link to a public hearing where the current Lt. Governor of NC spoke to the city council of Greensboro. He was just a concerned citizen at the time, but it is pretty amazing and off the cuff. Very fitting for this discussion IMO.
I encourage you all to read this piece from Gary Wills written after Sandy Hook. I think it sums up perfectly this countries obsession with guns.
www.nybooks.com
As a country, we have decided that the death of our people, often children, is less important than a modern interpretation of the 2nd amendment which says everyone can carry whatever they want. That is a trade we have collectively made. Uvalde and Sandy Hook continue to happen unabated because we make no serious effort to stop them. They happen in America far more often than other countries because we have way more guns and way fewer laws regulating them. To deny that is to deny a reality sitting two inches from your face. The contortions people go through to avoid seeing that shocks me.
Our Moloch | Garry Wills
The gun is our Moloch. We sacrifice children to him daily—sometimes, as at Sandy Hook, by directly throwing them into the fire-hose of bullets from our protected private killing machines, sometimes by blighting our children’s lives by the death of a parent, a schoolmate, a teacher, a protector...
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As a country, we have decided that the death of our people, often children, is less important than a modern interpretation of the 2nd amendment which says everyone can carry whatever they want. That is a trade we have collectively made. Uvalde and Sandy Hook continue to happen unabated because we make no serious effort to stop them. They happen in America far more often than other countries because we have way more guns and way fewer laws regulating them. To deny that is to deny a reality sitting two inches from your face. The contortions people go through to avoid seeing that shocks me.
Darius Rice was not shot by a NRA member . The vast majority of Street shootings are done with illegal guns , stolen guns , ghost guns and Etc . The flow of guns from Gun Legal States to the Gun illegal states is done by individuals who have no prior Criminal record and have passed the FBI background check . The Legally purchased Gun does not leave the Dealers premises until the FBI check is done . What happens after that is anybody’s guess . The Gun purchaser might be pimping the Guns to illegal buyers or , just making a private sale to someone . Tracking that transaction is impossible . The Majority of Gun purchases involve legal buyers who will be responsible Gun owners . And , not criminals .
If Darius Rice was born in any other wealthy nation besides America he would most likely still be alive. That isn't because we have more mental illness, more criminals, or more violent people. It is because we have more guns and more powerful guns available for sale. We allow Darius Rice and other kids like him to die because we refuse to change that reality.