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Article gives hope, something we need because it's been a miserable year.
Mods if it turns into polical crap (which it usually does), then just do whatever you want with it.

[URL]https://www.chron.com/news/article/40-of-people-with-coronavirus-have-no-symptoms-15469295.php[/URL]

40% of people with coronavirus have no symptoms. Might they be the key to ending the pandemic?

When researcher Monica Gandhi began digging deeper into outbreaks of the novel coronavirus, she was struck by the extraordinarily high number of infected people who had no symptoms.

A Boston homeless shelter had 147 infected residents, but 88% had no symptoms even though they shared their living space. A Tyson Foods poultry plant in Springdale, Ark., had 481 infections, and 95% were asymptomatic. Prisons in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia counted 3,277 infected people, but 96% were asymptomatic.

"A high rate of asymptomatic infection is a good thing," said Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California at San Francisco. "It's a good thing for the individual and a good thing for society."
 
I'd find it helpful that when CNN or whomever mentions the totally number of corona virus cases I'd like them to mention the number with no symptoms and also the number fully recovered. Personally I'd find that helpful
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=395568]Not trying to initiate a squabble , but I 'think' asymptomatic cases do spread Covid.
Also, if 40% of the cases are A-Sympt., that would increase the nominal death rate of this thing, if the A-Sympt. cases are subtracted from the 5.2mm 'total' cases, that means that there's been 165, 275 deaths on ~3mm 'active' cases.

P.S.:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-health-professionals.html[/quote]

Like much of what we've experienced with Covid, the response is, well, yes and no.

Asymptomatic patients typically have low viral loads. Those with severe symptoms have had an exposure to someone with a high viral load. So to a degree despite the highly contagious nature of the disease (as in the referenced homeless ahelter), could asymptomatic transmission become in effect a vaccination that exposes someone to a low viral load, hence slight or no symptoms.

I'm not arguing, just speculating.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=395577][quote="Chicago Days" post=395568]Not trying to initiate a squabble , but I 'think' asymptomatic cases do spread Covid.
Also, if 40% of the cases are A-Sympt., that would increase the nominal death rate of this thing, if the A-Sympt. cases are subtracted from the 5.2mm 'total' cases, that means that there's been 165, 275 deaths on ~3mm 'active' cases.

P.S.:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-health-professionals.html[/quote]

Like much of what we've experienced with Covid, the response is, well, yes and no.

Asymptomatic patients typically have low viral loads. Those with severe symptoms have had an exposure to someone with a high viral load. So to a degree despite the highly contagious nature of the disease (as in the referenced homeless ahelter), could asymptomatic transmission become in effect a vaccination that exposes someone to a low viral load, hence slight or no symptoms.

I'm not arguing, just speculating.[/quote]

Thanks Beast. Great Input. A question to you: Do we know how long the antibodies from Covid last for 'immunity' in the recovered Covid patient.
Not sure how accurate, but I believe I've read speculation that recovered immunity may not last long, and also that the virus 'may' mutate.
 
I'm always in favor of facts rather than "wishin' & hopin" as Dusty Springfield would say. It is good to know that if you get the virus you have a 2 in 5 chance of being asymptomatic. On the other hand, over 160,000 Americans have died from it in 5 months and that is not counting those who have been very sick but survived.
I am very thankful that my son found that 4 of his 5 classes at App State are 100% on-line and the other 80% on-line and he has decided it makes sense to take them from our home. Tough decision for him but he knows that both his Mom & Dad are over 60 and at risk. I really feel for kids like Dunn & Toro who only have one year of eligibility left but this terrible virus has left many people as victims. If they find a way to play college basketball safely I will be happy for the kids, but as a fan whatever is best for them is fine with me.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=395579][quote="Beast of the East" post=395577][quote="Chicago Days" post=395568]Not trying to initiate a squabble , but I 'think' asymptomatic cases do spread Covid.
Also, if 40% of the cases are A-Sympt., that would increase the nominal death rate of this thing, if the A-Sympt. cases are subtracted from the 5.2mm 'total' cases, that means that there's been 165, 275 deaths on ~3mm 'active' cases.

P.S.:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-health-professionals.html[/quote]

Like much of what we've experienced with Covid, the response is, well, yes and no.

Asymptomatic patients typically have low viral loads. Those with severe symptoms have had an exposure to someone with a high viral load. So to a degree despite the highly contagious nature of the disease (as in the referenced homeless ahelter), could asymptomatic transmission become in effect a vaccination that exposes someone to a low viral load, hence slight or no symptoms.

I'm not arguing, just speculating.[/quote]

Thanks Beast. Great Input. A question to you: Do we know how long the antibodies from Covid last for 'immunity' in the recovered Covid patient.
Not sure how accurate, but I believe I've read speculation that recovered immunity may not last long, and also that the virus 'may' mutate.[/quote]

We don't really fully know yet. I've had lyme disease at least 5 times and been asymptomatic each time. That infection is bacterial so you can get it again and again, and I have

I'm nowhere an epidemiologist but it stands to reason that vaccination against some viruses are effective long term, whereas you can get the common cold again and again. We also don't know how rapidly covid mutates, which could make any effective medications should we find some, or a vaccination less useful.

We simply do not know enough at this point. Certainly not the politicians, and even Fauci chooses his words carefully to express "what we know or believe at this point".
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=395586][quote="Chicago Days" post=395579][quote="Beast of the East" post=395577][quote="Chicago Days" post=395568]Not trying to initiate a squabble , but I 'think' asymptomatic cases do spread Covid.
Also, if 40% of the cases are A-Sympt., that would increase the nominal death rate of this thing, if the A-Sympt. cases are subtracted from the 5.2mm 'total' cases, that means that there's been 165, 275 deaths on ~3mm 'active' cases.

P.S.:

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-health-professionals.html[/quote]

Like much of what we've experienced with Covid, the response is, well, yes and no.

Asymptomatic patients typically have low viral loads. Those with severe symptoms have had an exposure to someone with a high viral load. So to a degree despite the highly contagious nature of the disease (as in the referenced homeless ahelter), could asymptomatic transmission become in effect a vaccination that exposes someone to a low viral load, hence slight or no symptoms.

I'm not arguing, just speculating.[/quote]

Thanks Beast. Great Input. A question to you: Do we know how long the antibodies from Covid last for 'immunity' in the recovered Covid patient.
Not sure how accurate, but I believe I've read speculation that recovered immunity may not last long, and also that the virus 'may' mutate.[/quote]

We don't really fully know yet. I've had lyme disease at least 5 times and been asymptomatic each time. That infection is bacterial so you can get it again and again, and I have

I'm nowhere an epidemiologist but it stands to reason that vaccination against some viruses are effective long term, whereas you can get the common cold again and again. We also don't know how rapidly covid mutates, which could make any effective medications should we find some, or a vaccination less useful.

We simply do not know enough at this point. Certainly not the politicians, and even Fauci chooses his words carefully to express "what we know or believe at this point".[/quote]

Agree Beast. Yes, I think Dr. Fauci has navigated capably through the stages of this thing, and guided the Public well.
 
Thanks Baller - that GWU study looks promising to me and Mrs. Ohiofan who is s retired medical person. If they could find a way to increase or decrease the reaction of those biomarkers, we have a treatment. Much simpler than reality though.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=396075][URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...attle-for-years-even-with-vaccine/ar-BB17VVTN[/URL]

[URL]https://www.sfgate.com/science...n-gums-linked-to-severe-COVID-19-15481618.php[/URL]

[URL]https://www.studyfinds.org/wor...danas-neck-gaiters-more-harmful-than-no-mask/[/URL]

[URL]https://news.bloomberglaw.com/...sh-leaves-little-recourse-for-anyone-it-harms[/URL][/quote]

These are great articles, EB. It's a good reason why we shouldn't simply heed the broad prognostications of politicians on both sides of the aisle. The article on the neck gaiters was great. I had considered one because they looked easier to manage than masks around the ears, but turns out they are totally ineffective at blocking droplets of water that carry the virus.

The bleeding, swollen gums are also a good article. I didn't read it through, but thought immediately of HIV, which can enter the bloodstream almost directly through those with periodontal disease where gums separate from teeth. Makes sense that if the virus directly enters the bloodstream, the effect will be more pronounced.

Also, the article about the vaccine makes sense. We have almost no weapons to treat the virus at present, so if the reaction form the vaccine is to contract the virus. those patients have weak drug alternatives at present.

As the first article suggests, we are likely looking at a serious health problem for years. Even with a vaccine, unless we have a treatment for those infected, the virus will linger.

Great post. This situation is not as simple as wearing a mask - even an N95, no less the garbage that are not nearly as effective or effective at all.

Now I wish politicians should stop sniping at each other. They aren't doing a damned bit of good by saying the dumbest shit ever, and forgetting the things they said or did just a few weeks ago that they are now blaming on someone else.
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396383][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/covid-college-tuition.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Revolt Against Cost of Tuition in the Age of Covid[/quote]

I understand both sides completely. Students rightfully feel that they are paying for classroom learning and not remote learning. Typically remote learning costs less to the university because of bandwidth - one professor could teach 400 kids remotely with grad assistants helping t grade assignments, papers or exams. In the Covid world, switching on a moments notice to remote learning carries none of those cost savings for the school, since faculty costs remain the same.

I don't know all the finances regarding the cost of education, but it appears that few if any schools could survive on tuition alone to cover the cost of running a university.

I guess the bottom line is if students signed up for classroom learning, they can opt out of remote learning for the semester and get a refund, but they can't dictate the cost of remote learning..

I also fear that on another note, NYC based employees not get too accustomed or hopeful or working remote on a permanent basis. Should companies agree that's a better place to work, the nyc workforce could easily be hired from anywhere in North America.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396411][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396383][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/covid-college-tuition.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Revolt Against Cost of Tuition in the Age of Covid[/quote]

I understand both sides completely. Students rightfully feel that they are paying for classroom learning and not remote learning. Typically remote learning costs less to the university because of bandwidth - one professor could teach 400 kids remotely with grad assistants helping t grade assignments, papers or exams. In the Covid world, switching on a moments notice to remote learning carries none of those cost savings for the school, since faculty costs remain the same.

I don't know all the finances regarding the cost of education, but it appears that few if any schools could survive on tuition alone to cover the cost of running a university.

I guess the bottom line is if students signed up for classroom learning, they can opt out of remote learning for the semester and get a refund, but they can't dictate the cost of remote learning..

I also fear that on another note, NYC based employees not get too accustomed or hopeful or working remote on a permanent basis. Should companies agree that's a better place to work, the nyc workforce could easily be hired from anywhere in North America.[/quote]

I agree totally with this and would only add, not just North America.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396411][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396383][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/covid-college-tuition.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Revolt Against Cost of Tuition in the Age of Covid[/quote]

I understand both sides completely. Students rightfully feel that they are paying for classroom learning and not remote learning. Typically remote learning costs less to the university because of bandwidth - one professor could teach 400 kids remotely with grad assistants helping t grade assignments, papers or exams. In the Covid world, switching on a moments notice to remote learning carries none of those cost savings for the school, since faculty costs remain the same.

I don't know all the finances regarding the cost of education, but it appears that few if any schools could survive on tuition alone to cover the cost of running a university.

I guess the bottom line is if students signed up for classroom learning, they can opt out of remote learning for the semester and get a refund, but they can't dictate the cost of remote learning..

I also fear that on another note, NYC based employees not get too accustomed or hopeful or working remote on a permanent basis. Should companies agree that's a better place to work, the nyc workforce could easily be hired from anywhere in North America.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you've said Beast, however the fact that students shouldn't dictate the cost of remote learning, doesn't mean that they won't dictate the cost of remote learning. Or any learning for that matter. Wouldn't be surprised to see what happened at Columbia U in 1968, happen on some college campuses soon. And college administrators will cave in a heartbeat IMO.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=396420][quote="Beast of the East" post=396411][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396383][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/15/us/covid-college-tuition.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Revolt Against Cost of Tuition in the Age of Covid[/quote]

I understand both sides completely. Students rightfully feel that they are paying for classroom learning and not remote learning. Typically remote learning costs less to the university because of bandwidth - one professor could teach 400 kids remotely with grad assistants helping t grade assignments, papers or exams. In the Covid world, switching on a moments notice to remote learning carries none of those cost savings for the school, since faculty costs remain the same.

I don't know all the finances regarding the cost of education, but it appears that few if any schools could survive on tuition alone to cover the cost of running a university.

I guess the bottom line is if students signed up for classroom learning, they can opt out of remote learning for the semester and get a refund, but they can't dictate the cost of remote learning..

I also fear that on another note, NYC based employees not get too accustomed or hopeful or working remote on a permanent basis. Should companies agree that's a better place to work, the nyc workforce could easily be hired from anywhere in North America.[/quote]

Agree with most of what you've said Beast, however the fact that students shouldn't dictate the cost of remote learning, doesn't mean that they won't dictate the cost of remote learning. Or any learning for that matter. Wouldn't be surprised to see what happened at Columbia U in 1968, happen on some college campuses soon. And college administrators will cave in a heartbeat IMO.[/quote]

This isn't quite like last semester, Monte. Every kid who registered knew there was a high likelihood of the semester going remote, yet signed up anyway. I don't think they can have their cake and eat it too. It's just a bad situation.
 
Just read an article on ESPN.com where the quarterback for Georgia State is sitting out this season. He has myocarditis as a result of being infected with the coronavirus. Other football players have also been diagnosed with myocarditis, which is a disease that causes inflammation and damage to the heart muscle.

This shows that while covid19 may not kill younger people, the residual effects can be life altering.
 
[quote="panther2" post=396577]Just read an article on ESPN.com where the quarterback for Georgia State is sitting out this season. He has myocarditis as a result of being infected with the coronavirus. Other football players have also been diagnosed with myocarditis, which is a disease that causes inflammation and damage to the heart muscle.

This shows that while covid19 may not kill younger people, the residual effects can be life altering.[/quote]

Well myocarditis did have a hand in the deaths of Hank Gathers and Len Bias at young ages just to name a couple so don't jump to the conclusion it won't kill these kids too. Not likely but possible.
 
[quote="austour" post=396579][quote="panther2" post=396577]Just read an article on ESPN.com where the quarterback for Georgia State is sitting out this season. He has myocarditis as a result of being infected with the coronavirus. Other football players have also been diagnosed with myocarditis, which is a disease that causes inflammation and damage to the heart muscle.

This shows that while covid19 may not kill younger people, the residual effects can be life altering.[/quote]

Well myocarditis did have a hand in the deaths of Hank Gathers and Len Bias at young ages just to name a couple so don't jump to the conclusion it won't kill these kids too. Not likely but possible.[/quote]

My bad, while Bias may have had an enlarged heart he did not have myocarditis, Gathers did.
 
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