Connecticut (MSG), Sat., Feb. 3, 12 NOON, FOX

Definitely the guy we st John’s fans hate.
He was great. He’s a smart player that can create his own shot and his efficiency balances out Newton’s wildness.

UConn might be better than last year 1-4. The one weakness is that backup center Johnson. I don’t know what is but something has seemed off for 2 games. He misses some really easy layups if he can’t dunk it.
 
You speak of Dunlap like he's Cam Spencer... He's 3 for 14 from 3 over the last 7 games. Every single team we have played double and triples Soriano consistently. Dunlap is not scaring them, there is no poison to pick...
He’s shooting 50% on set threes. We don’t get him or anyone those looks often.

He may become a player who can shoot off the bounce or take a quick shot moving off a curl, but he’s not that guy right now. He takes too many tough shots. We don’t have the guard play to get shooters drove and kicks so the only alternative is playing through Soriano.
 
I love the idea of having Drissa, Ayo, and Conway on the team. But only if they never see the floor in a competitive game. They're great culture guys, teammates, etc., and it's good to have those people. I just don't understand, and no one has had a good enough answer, why Pitino insists on playing thse guys.

"Make sure Conway is ready" -- ready for what? The guy has subpar athleticism for the Atlantic 10, was never that good of a shooter in the first place (he shot 30% two years ago), and his defense is atrocious. It's so hypocritical to your team to say every possession count, and then play him for three minutes over literally anyone else on this team.

Paultz, you really triggered me, sorry about that. /rant over.
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I saw them as middle of pack, but even putting yesterday aside, I don’t see the improvement I expected at this stage. More games to be played, but I also see the “captain of the ship“ discouraged and a bit too blameful & public for my taste. Beating Marquette away, a tall task, would at least stop the bleeding and make team more confident perhaps. DePaul is so bad, any result won’t move needle for me, it is a given.
I guess, In Rick We Might Not Trust So Much!
 
Have to agree…I usually enjoy his post game comments and usually the messages he delivers. But, yesterday’s comments were almost “white flag like”. I don’t believe he is giving up on the year, but his frustration did come through.
Not just this year but sounded like me was making excuses for potential lack of future success!
 
Although I can’t get inside Rick’s head and can only guess. . . .

I think he is just fine with NIL, and paying guys. Which was in place when he took the job. But not okay with second, and third, etc. free transfers. Which was absolutely not in place when he took the job. Unless he is going pro the idea that RJ would be moving on was supposed to be off the table. As one example.

Mostly I think it’s a good idea not to pay too much attention to what he says after losses. But I do think he is upset with the change to constant free transfers, and has no desire to have to get twelve new guys every year. And if it comes to that, I agree with him. I don’t think I have a desire to watch that either.
 
Re Pitino's post game pressers: For two years in college I worked in security in the men's locker room at the US Open. A random assignment on my first day on the job turned into a permanent assignment, by not letting anyone into the men's locker room who didn't belong. Imagine being a 20 year old kid being around the world's all-time best tennis players, and being tasked with keeping celebrities (Alan King, Cosell, politicians and others) out of the locker room. When my supervisor came around to check, players were slinging compliments, so they kept me there for 2 tournaments. But I digress.

I've seen players like Jimmy Connors repeatedly politely asking reporters to give him a little time until he showered after a 5 set loss to answer all of their questions, then blowing up when they stepped on his clothes as he undressed to shower, not giving him an inch. Of course, some would write what an asshole Connors was, but I saw the difference.

In college basketball, no one takes losing harder than coaches. They are paid to win, and unlike players, who can play well and move on, there are few silver linings for coaches. Someone close to Mullin told them that losing was eating Chris alive, and I believed it (no Mullin comments please). To expect coaches to be composed, reflective, and say all the right things a few minutes after a big loss, is often asking too much. CRP came to the Garden expecting to win, saw probably 100 things our guys did or didn't do that annoyed him, and was likely very very annoyed coming off the court. I'd cut him some slack for any of his comments.

The game itself at parts were awesome. Our fans, (I would say 60-40 SJU, and much more in lower bowl) were awesome, and even when behind looked to rally the team at every opportunity. UCONN fans were largely silent until they took a lead. It seemed every Johnnies fan in attendance was determined to show this is is OUR home court, and for our team to hear them. Great job.

The game itself? Well, damn, UCONN is the defending national champs, played a very solid game without Karaban, and would likely have beaten any team in the country yesterday. Our guys held their own for 32 minutes, until UCONN stopped missing on nearly every possession. We can hate them, but they are a great team with a very good (whining) coach.

Having been a veteran of many ankle injuries, I know these can take months to heal, so I would cut Alleyne some slack. In terms of Luis, I would agree that he needs to make better decisions going to the basket. I'd also say though, if there was one guy on the court who could do something simply amazing at any given moment with the ball in his hands, it's Luis. It's almost as if the only person capable of stopping Luis is Luis, and that's only by his propensity to turn nothing into nothing driving into a crowd. However, when he turns nothing into something, it's often dazzling. Also, on the bench, the trainer was working on Luis' legs when he was off the court. My guess is he isn't even close to 90% at this point, so again, would cut him some slack.

Finally, Soriano has looked a lot more like Joel of two years ago lately, and he can do much better. End of story.

Lastly, on the big MSG dilemma, if the Big East insists we play our home game vs. UCONN at the garden, I thing they should play their home game vs. us at the Garden too. It would be a lot more even then as a two game series. and it would be fantastic for the Big East. And a lot fairer for us.

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Ok - Willie was banned. Seems a decent fellow, but obviously not a #sjubb fan and thus, banned. Possibly he can find Alex whoeverhewas someplace and they can talk.

As for the loss - to me there are no new takeaways from it. We competed well for the most part, didn't execute in a key stretch mid-second-half, UConn did (why they are a top 5 team), lost as expected. I would have preferred a 5-7 point loss but it isn't as though we got blown out. Frankly I thought we did a good job taking their bigs out of the game, we just didn't take advantage of it when we did. The key is taking care of business the rest of the way now - team has to get their minds right and if they do they can finish strong and be an NCAAT team.

I have largely stayed out of the coaching discussion since it is probably well-known that I was one of the less enthusiastic (probably the least enthusiastic) posters in terms of the Pitino hiring. The concerns I had were

(1) age at a time when the trend in all major sports is to hire younger coaches who can connect with today's players;
(2) had not coached at the high D1 level for the better part of a decade
(3) huge systemic changes from the transfer portal and NIL

To me those issues raised a potential red flag about player acquisition and retention and whether the necessary adjustments could and would be made.

On the player acquisition front, I think the staff did a good job last year. They may have some regrets about the decisions they made, but they had a plan about who they wanted and they were mostly able to execute it. They also have excellent commits for next year, and I think they will again get what they want out of the portal. So at least for years 1 and 2, I have less concern about player acquisition. Year 3 and beyond is TBD, if they don't win or if there is an annual exodus then things may change on that front.

Player retention is an unknown at this point but obviously yesterday's comments were ... not encouraging. We used to have a total rebuild every 5th year; now it could be every year. Though that isn't unique to us, I suppose.

The adjustment factor is the one that concerns me the most. We have seen a whole lot of stubborn from the staff throughout the season. Some examples would be:

(1) not going to a zone when it was obvious the team can't stop the ball (see the Michigan, BC games and the press against X)
(2) refusing to take lumps to develop the freshmen
(3) a fair amount of "blame the players" comments in the press

It is entirely possible that Pitino's competitive drive will result in some self-evaluation and that the adjustments will come (next year, I don't expect to see that this year). But it is also possible that you can't teach an old dog new tricks and that the old tricks (which are great tricks) aren't teachable to today's puppies.

Not trying to make more of this than what it is - just flagging some things I have had in mind from early on and how they have / have not been allayed over the course of the season.
Terrific thoughtful post
 
Also, his general comments about next years roster on Friday were very positive. Granted those were directed to people he wants to donate to NIL. Grain of salt and all. But same grain for me, for things he says after losses. If anyone besides me ever read the Syracuse boards (they are BESIDES THEMSELVES right now) they would do on about how terrible Boeheim conducted himself at press conferences. Mostly after losses. HOF coaches are mostly not normal people, ones as gracious as Looie after a loss are impossible to find. Its like my guy Jenkins - you get the entire package you can’t pick and choose!

Also, Rick is 71 and was brought in to build something from close to nothing. This is not a long term thing no matter what so don’t look too far ahead and enjoy the present.

Nothing about where college sports is going looks good for the future.
 
Lastly, on the big MSG dilemma, if the Big East insists we play our home game vs. UCONN at the garden, I thing they should play their home game vs. us at the Garden too. It would be a lot more even then as a two game series. and it would be fantastic for the Big East. And a lot fairer for us.

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I LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Let all these a-holes who like to claim that MSG is their home (you know who you are) put their money where their mouth is. Play YOUR home game against us at MSG. Not one of them will do it. So, until that happens...you are the visitor.
 
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disagree next years team will flourish. Centers Drissa and Zuby,
Forwards Taylor, Dunlap, Luis and Ayo. Guards Wiocher, Davis and 3 incoming frost. He has to cut bait with some of these guys so he can bring in more than 3 players.
Not sure if this post is a joke. We’re not going to flourish with a front court consisting primarily of Drissa and Zuby. Ayo is not a Big East player and he’ll be coming off surgery. Wilcher and Dunlap may be good four year players - not sure if there is any such thing anymore — but I would be shocked if they are difference makers next year. Davis doesn’t have feeling in his finger and is out indefinitely. Even if he were healthy, not fair to expect much from him. We better get some studs in the portal.
 
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I will not quote Beasts post, which I agree with, because of its length. But as far as MSG yesterday, from my spot in 108 it sounded totally like a SJU home game with UConn fans in attendance. It sounded less like that when I watched tape today and that surprised me. SJU fans get a lot of heat but I think they were very solid yesterday.

Now, expect a library like atmosphere on Tuesday and the players are going to have to win anyway. Nobody is excited about this game.
 
To think, how many of us would have had an extra pep in our step today had we beaten UConn?

Sad to ponder what might have been.
 
I will not quote Beasts post, which I agree with, because of its length. But as far as MSG yesterday, from my spot in 108 it sounded totally like a SJU home game with UConn fans in attendance. It sounded less like that when I watched tape today and that surprised me. SJU fans get a lot of heat but I think they were very solid yesterday.

Now, expect a library like atmosphere on Tuesday and the players are going to have to win anyway. Nobody is excited about this game.
We made noise yesterday and were loud. I say it was 60-40 us. They’re a very good team. I’m curious to see them in the tournament, when they won’t surprise anyone.
 
Not sure if this post is a joke. We’re not going to flourish with a front court consisting primarily of Drissa and Zuby. Ayo is not a Big East player and he’ll be coming off surgery. Wilcher and Dunlap may be good four year players - not sure if there is any such thing anymore — but I would be shocked if they are difference makers next year. Davis doesn’t have feeling in his finger and is out indefinitely. Even if he were healthy, not fair to expect much from him. We better get some studs in the portal.
pretty sure that's what rehobie was saying, that he disagrees next year's team will flourish with Traore and Ejafor as the centers. Downgrade him for poor syntax, but his head is in the right place (we do however have Maker coming so there's at least one more big to consider)
 
Here’s what I think , for what it’s worth. I think Pitino came here and wanted to win right away, obviously. He came in here late and was behind in the transfer portal cycle. I think he was a little surprised at Clayton going to Florida. With all of this , his strategy was to fill out the roster with 5th year seniors and guys who had been alpha scorers at their previous schools. Even though some of them were from mid majors. He probably thought that even if the offensive output didn’t translate to a certain extent at the Big East level that with 5th year seniors and alpha scoring athletes he could still score enough points to win consistently if he could get them to play defense and give extraordinary effort game in and game out. He thought with experienced 5th year seniors that he would be able to do that. He hasn’t be able to do that and it’s frustrating the hell out of him. The constant lack of effort with regard to getting back on defense, the constant missing of defensive assignments in the half court, the not going hard enough after loose balls etc. These are the intangibles that were supposed to be our strengths understanding that the offensive output from these players last schools might not translate. Well, it hasn’t and they are refusing to do produce the intangibles that are needed to make up for the drop in their offensive production. To me, this is what is driving Pitino crazy. Jenkins comments seem to prove this out. If this is the case and it’s also causing locker room strife, then we can forget about this team making the tournament. This team has not bought into doing all the other things they need to do besides scoring in order to win games. Pitino sees this, Jenkins sees this and they’re losing their patience. This team needs to buy in and buy in quick while there is still time to save the season.
 
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