Champions Classic @ MSG

[monte]

I dont get blaming the players especially and or teams/owners...blame ourselves, friends, family and the companies whose products we buy who pay the advertising and sponsorship and pass it along into your products and services.

Look at a different angle...stadiums and arenas are not getting bigger.  They are staying the same or getting smaller and more luxurious

Take a look at MLB attendance 2019 vs 2021

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2019[/URL]

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance[/URL]


Remember, most of us live in bigger cities where pro sports are saturated and revered.   Go to Boise, Idaho or some other anytown USA where a pro or big time college program are hours or even a day car ride away and going to a game is like going on a family vacation.  

 

If I came across as blaming the players or owners, that was not my intent. They are all entitled to make as much as the market affords them. I just won't contribute to it to the degree possible. Although I guess I still do by watching on TV. 

 

[NCJohnnie]

One thing I'll add is NYC (along with a few other major cities like L.A., Boston and Frisco) is in a world of its (their) own when it comes to prices. I went online today and for two of the Hornets bigger upcoming games (Knicks on Friday night and Warriors Sunday afternoon with hometown hero Curry) there are nosebleed seats available for between $40-$50 and center court seats on upper level available for appx. $100. Charlotte's a midsize city, but not tiny.

Personally I'm just as happy to watch the Knicks on TV and go see Davidson play Loyola of Chicago (non-con opponent just before Christmas) or Saint Louis for about $20-25 per ticket during the afternoon. Good college basketball 15 minutes away from home.     

 

[GardenCity62]

Sports have increased in popularity tremendously over the past fifty years and a look at the NY football Giants is a good example. I purchased Giant season tickets in 1964 for 28 dollars. Seven games with no requirement to purchase exhibition game tickets.
Some forty five years later I was required to pay 40 thousand dollars for the right to pay sixteen hundred dollars for ten games, exhibition games were mandatory. Inflation, of course was a major reason but the Giants in 1964 were owned by the Mara family and not an investment conglomerate. Once the Tisch brothers got involved it was all business like most sport franchises. The Giants in 1964 had a waiting list with over fifty thousand names and could have raised prices by five times and would have still sold out.
Those days are over.

 

[Zeeman]

You think the Yanks had any sell outs this year? Heard that the Red Sox had 4 with the second to last game vs (SAT) vs the Yanks having the most attendance. Ten to twenty years ago couldn't get a Red Sox/Yankees tix. Guess they don't care about the empty seats if the gross is above their projected figures.

 

[Joe Tempesta]

So, the powers that be socialize the expense of building these franchises, but are allowed to privatize the profits? Sounds like the banking system, and so much of modern capitalism.

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[sjc88]

This is a great topic. Just a couple of points.
1- I purchased 3 tickets through Ticketmaster for the Kansas game at UBS Arena. You want to be robbed? Just watch how much “hidden” fees are added on. They advertise the ticket at one price but when you “checkout” with all the fees the tickets are much, much higher.

2- Some here have mentioned “supply and demand”. I just went on to Ticketmaster and plenty of seats remain for the Kansas game. They might have a decent crowd but I’m guessing nowhere near a “sell out.

3- Many of the non Big East SJU games against NON Conference opponents will have Carnesecca Arena half empty. That’s a fact. I have never understood why SJU doesn’t donate say like 100 tickets (?) to youth basketball programs throughout the city for some of these lesser games not in demand. Maybe they do and I’m not aware? Its kind of sad that these seats go unused. Might bring some youth into the building and some more interest in the school and program. I get it’s not my money but having the arena half empty serves no one.

 

[monte]

This is a great topic. Just a couple of points.
1- I purchased 3 tickets through Ticketmaster for the Kansas game at UBS Arena. You want to be robbed? Just watch how much “hidden” fees are added on. They advertise the ticket at one price but when you “checkout” with all the fees the tickets are much, much higher.

2- Some here have mentioned “supply and demand”. I just went on to Ticketmaster and plenty of seats remain for the Kansas game. They might have a decent crowd but I’m guessing nowhere near a “sell out.

3- Many of the non Big East SJU games against NON Conference opponents will have Carnesecca Arena half empty. That’s a fact. I have never understood why SJU doesn’t donate say like 100 tickets (?) to youth basketball programs throughout the city for some of these lesser games not in demand. Maybe they do and I’m not aware? Its kind of sad that these seats go unused. Might bring some youth into the building and some more interest in the school and program. I get it’s not my money but having the arena half empty serves no one.

To your point about SJU donating tickets, in speaking to a young man in the ticket office a few weeks ago, part of his sales pitch was that if there were tickets to games that I couldn't use, I could donate them back to the ticket office and they would, if turn, donate them to a youth program of their choice. When I donate, I like to chose the organization/charity. So that wouldn't have worked for me but it may for others.  On a separate note, this young man was incredible, but he's a recent NOVA grad! Couldn't the SJU ticket office find any worthy young SJU students or alum to work there??? 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Monte maybe it was a Nova grad who’s father or mom when to St John’s

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Monte, as far as the young Nova grad working in our ticket office, I think:

Maybe he got turned down by St. John's, his first choice, and got into his safety school of Vanillanova. /media/kunena/emoticons/tongue.png

 

[thakid]

This is a little off topic but not too much...I'm headed to Champions Classic tomorrow - first time I've been to MSG since the pandemic started....where should we go for pre-game drinks and wings/apps?  Seems like some places are gone, some new places have popped up that seem decent (and could be new from 2018/2019 and i just handt been).  Thanks!

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Tha Kid, Tir Na Nog, 8th Ave, 33 St. if it is still there.

For old timers, who remembers getting into mets games with coupons off the side of milk cartons?

G.O. cards and $.50 Knicks games at the old Garden on Eight Ave., with billows of smoke from all of the cigar and cigarette smoking going on inside.

Those days are gone forever. I say it is all of the t.v. and cable revenue. And now sports betting.

As my friend who gave up on paying to watch spoiled millionaires play for even more spoiled billionaires sayS, the BEST SEAT IN THE HOUSE IS IN FRONT OF MY BIG SCREEN TELEVISION. The fridge and bathroom are nearby, switch off during commercials.

It kinda makes sense (except for Johnny games.)



 

 

[BrooklynRed]

Sports have increased in popularity tremendously over the past fifty years and a look at the NY football Giants is a good example. I purchased Giant season tickets in 1964 for 28 dollars. Seven games with no requirement to purchase exhibition game tickets.
Some forty five years later I was required to pay 40 thousand dollars for the right to pay sixteen hundred dollars for ten games, exhibition games were mandatory. Inflation, of course was a major reason but the Giants in 1964 were owned by the Mara family and not an investment conglomerate. Once the Tisch brothers got involved it was all business like most sport franchises. The Giants in 1964 had a waiting list with over fifty thousand names and could have raised prices by five times and would have still sold out.
Those days are over.

Love your story of the 1960's prices.  I remember attending the first Jets game at Shea in 1964 getting seats in Mezz on a walk up basis; even got fan favorite Wahoo McDaniels autograph after the game (guess he would have had to change his name today/media/kunena/emoticons/wink.pngOne thing that is amazing about the price is the fact that all home games were "Blacked out" locally; i.e., not on TV.  There used to be a mass exodus on Sundays to Connecticut to motels where folks would rent rooms at motels that had the CBS station from Hartford which was outside the 75 mile blackout range.  I even saw a Giant Redskin at the Academy of Music on 14th street in Manhattan which had closed circuit rights.  I was in grammar school but what a hoot the fans were, swigging beers in paper bags,

Today the expansion of corporate entertaining is also driving up the cost of seats.  So much for the real fans.  .  

 

[room112]

Sports have increased in popularity tremendously over the past fifty years and a look at the NY football Giants is a good example. I purchased Giant season tickets in 1964 for 28 dollars. Seven games with no requirement to purchase exhibition game tickets.
Some forty five years later I was required to pay 40 thousand dollars for the right to pay sixteen hundred dollars for ten games, exhibition games were mandatory. Inflation, of course was a major reason but the Giants in 1964 were owned by the Mara family and not an investment conglomerate. Once the Tisch brothers got involved it was all business like most sport franchises. The Giants in 1964 had a waiting list with over fifty thousand names and could have raised prices by five times and would have still sold out.
Those days are over.

Love your story of the 1960's prices.  I remember attending the first Jets game at Shea in 1964 getting seats in Mezz on a walk up basis; even got fan favorite Wahoo McDaniels autograph after the game (guess he would have had to change his name today/media/kunena/emoticons/wink.pngOne thing that is amazing about the price is the fact that all home games were "Blacked out" locally; i.e., not on TV.  There used to be a mass exodus on Sundays to Connecticut to motels where folks would rent rooms at motels that had the CBS station from Hartford which was outside the 75 mile blackout range.  I even saw a Giant Redskin at the Academy of Music on 14th street in Manhattan which had closed circuit rights.  I was in grammar school but what a hoot the fans were, swigging beers in paper bags,

Today the expansion of corporate entertaining is also driving up the cost of seats.  So much for the real fans.  .  

Wait, people actually drove up into the middle of Connecticut from New York to rent a motel room to watch a game??? That's dedication!

 

[monte]

Monte, as far as the young Nova grad working in our ticket office, I think:

Maybe he got turned down by St. John's, his first choice, and got into his safety school of Vanillanova. /media/kunena/emoticons/tongue.png

 

Yeah, poor kid had to suffer through 2 national championship seasons. Maybe his parents made him work at SJU so he could see how the less fortunate college basketball fans have to live /media/kunena/emoticons/cheerful.png

 

[monte]

Monte maybe it was a Nova grad who’s father or mom when to St John’s

Thought about that Mike, but IMO as long as there is even one SJU alum(not child of an alum) or SJU student who needs a job and is willing to take one, it should be offered to them first. Of course, if the parent is a big donor to SJU, then I sorta get it. But then again, if the parent is a big donor then their kid doesn't need the job nearly as much as a lot of other SJU kids. There's that liberal side of me rearing it's head again. I may need to speak to someone about this lol 

 

[mjmaherjr]

Tha Kid, Tir Na Nog, 8th Ave, 33 St. if it is still there.

For old timers, who remembers getting into mets games with coupons off the side of milk cartons?

G.O. cards and $.50 Knicks games at the old Garden on Eight Ave., with billows of smoke from all of the cigar and cigarette smoking going on inside.

Those days are gone forever. I say it is all of the t.v. and cable revenue. And now sports betting.

As my friend who gave up on paying to watch spoiled millionaires play for even more spoiled billionaires sayS, the BEST SEAT IN THE HOUSE IS IN FRONT OF MY BIG SCREEN TELEVISION. The fridge and bathroom are nearby, switch off during commercials.

It kinda makes sense (except for Johnny games.)




 

Tir Na Nog is mjmaherjr post game watering hole. It’s great

 

[thakid]

Thanks guys.  Tir Na nog it is.  Anyone been to American whiskey? Looks intriguing but don’t remember hearing of it before.  Not sure how much of Michigan state Kansas we care about - prob for in for last 10 mins of game - so might have time to pub crawl a bit before msg.  

 

[mjmaherjr]

Thanks guys.  Tir Na nog it is.  Anyone been to American whiskey? Looks intriguing but don’t remember hearing of it before.  Not sure how much of Michigan state Kansas we care about - prob for in for last 10 mins of game - so might have time to pub crawl a bit before msg.  

I went there once after a Thursday afternoon big East tourney session. It was a sausage fest I’ll never go back maybe there it’s more diversified on regular days but I’m loyal to Tir for msg games