Chad Ford's 2015 Big Board - No Jordan

Surprised? We are a mid major, we are getting good ball players but we can not compete with the Big Boys anymore for the top tier. Those days are gone. Reality is we are maybe top 5 in a weaker Big East and only the winner of the tourney will be doing any dancing. If Jordan deserved to be on the list he would be there. This is not your fathers Big East anymore.
 
Surprised? We are a mid major, we are getting good ball players but we can not compete with the Big Boys anymore for the top tier. Those days are gone. Reality is we are maybe top 5 in a weaker Big East and only the winner of the tourney will be doing any dancing. If Jordan deserved to be on the list he would be there. This is not your fathers Big East anymore.
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" only the winner of the tourney will be doing any dancing"
I assume you mean the winner of the baseball tournament.
 
Surprised? We are a mid major, we are getting good ball players but we can not compete with the Big Boys anymore for the top tier. Those days are gone. Reality is we are maybe top 5 in a weaker Big East and only the winner of the tourney will be doing any dancing. If Jordan deserved to be on the list he would be there. This is not your fathers Big East anymore.
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Mid majors applies only to conferences outside the top 8 basketball conferences. Those other 22 odd conferences are today's mid majors. We rarely competed with the "Big Boys" in your dad's Big East but that is why Lavin was hired and he delivered in his first year but Mark Few recruits better talent at Gonzaga in Spooky Spokane. Jordan is not on the list because he was an enigma last season. I think most would be happy to be top five in the new Big East since I expect 4-5 NCAA bids every year as the realignment dust settles.
 
Surprised? We are a mid major, we are getting good ball players but we can not compete with the Big Boys anymore for the top tier. Those days are gone. Reality is we are maybe top 5 in a weaker Big East and only the winner of the tourney will be doing any dancing. If Jordan deserved to be on the list he would be there. This is not your fathers Big East anymore.
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The 2014 draft just happened. Lists like these that peer a year into the future are fluid. I don't know if he'll put up the stats to get drafted, but maybe we should give it some time?

If he averages 16 and 5 over the first 10 games of the season, do you doubt he'll be on the updated list? I sure don't.
 
I am kind of shocked that Jordan hasn't even appeared on a single list and we are just a few months away from the start of his soph season. Semaj Christon was a projected first rounder halfway through his freshman year.

i still think Jordan makes his way onto these lists, but he will not be a first rounder and likely won't be an early second rounder either.
 
I am kind of shocked that Jordan hasn't even appeared on a single list and we are just a few months away from the start of his soph season. Semaj Christon was a projected first rounder halfway through his freshman year.

i still think Jordan makes his way onto these lists, but he will not be a first rounder and likely won't be an early second rounder either.
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Really? Not a first or second round pick. Just a little early to predict his second season success or lack of. Let's remember he will be a great part of our offense , especially since he and Harrison will be taking most of the shots.
 
I am kind of shocked that Jordan hasn't even appeared on a single list and we are just a few months away from the start of his soph season. Semaj Christon was a projected first rounder halfway through his freshman year.

i still think Jordan makes his way onto these lists, but he will not be a first rounder and likely won't be an early second rounder either.
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Really? Not a first or second round pick. Just a little early to predict his second season success or lack of. Let's remember he will be a great part of our offense , especially since he and Harrison will be taking most of the shots.
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You rarely see a guy go from being copmletely off the radar in all mock drafts and rankings to making it into the first round in one year. Jordan has a lot of question marks off the court that most of these kids don't come with. The transfer rumors, the trips back home, leaving his team multiple times, etc. On the court, he has to show a consistent shot. I fully expect him to be north of 30%, but to be a first round PG this year you will have to be nasty. There is also some question if he is a PG or a combo guard. He showed us very litle it terms of making others better and passing the ball this past season. He can get to the hoop--almost exclusively with his right hand--but he almost always shoots it himself. 3.0 assists in over 26 minutes is not first round quality. I think a very good season could put him in the mid to late second round. I"m just not sure there will be a lot of teams looking for pgs the next draft with all of the quality size available. I just don't think will be ready to compete in the NBA after next season. He has great size, athletic ability, hands, and defensive potential, but he needs to show he can run a team and go left once in a while.
 
I am kind of shocked that Jordan hasn't even appeared on a single list and we are just a few months away from the start of his soph season. Semaj Christon was a projected first rounder halfway through his freshman year.

i still think Jordan makes his way onto these lists, but he will not be a first rounder and likely won't be an early second rounder either.
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Really? Not a first or second round pick. Just a little early to predict his second season success or lack of. Let's remember he will be a great part of our offense , especially since he and Harrison will be taking most of the shots.
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You rarely see a guy go from being copmletely off the radar in all mock drafts and rankings to making it into the first round in one year. Jordan has a lot of question marks off the court that most of these kids don't come with. The transfer rumors, the trips back home, leaving his team multiple times, etc. On the court, he has to show a consistent shot. I fully expect him to be north of 30%, but to be a first round PG this year you will have to be nasty. There is also some question if he is a PG or a combo guard. He showed us very litle it terms of making others better and passing the ball this past season. He can get to the hoop--almost exclusively with his right hand--but he almost always shoots it himself. 3.0 assists in over 26 minutes is not first round quality. I think a very good season could put him in the mid to late second round. I"m just not sure there will be a lot of teams looking for pgs the next draft with all of the quality size available. I just don't think will be ready to compete in the NBA after next season. He has great size, athletic ability, hands, and defensive potential, but he needs to show he can run a team and go left once in a while.
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Disagree with that part. Hes an above average passer, with great vision. That game winning pass he threw to obekpa at seton hall was unbelievable. He wasnt exactly passing to the greatest shooting team in the world either, doesnt exactly help the assist numbers. I think Having a guy like thomas and jones underneath to dump it off to will help a lot.
 
Mid Major was a reference to what StJ's has been relegated to not the Big East. Many of the big dawg's left and we are still mid pack. Lavin was successful in year one with someone else's recruits. Aside from that its been 10 years of wait till next year and pie eyed speculation on for the most part under achieving recruits. Hey i'm a fan too, I like Lavin's enthusiasm and get after it attitude but the reality is average results in recruiting and performance.
 
Mid Major was a reference to what StJ's has been relegated to not the Big East. Many of the big dawg's left and we are still mid pack. Lavin was successful in year one with someone else's recruits. Aside from that its been 10 years of wait till next year and pie eyed speculation on for the most part under achieving recruits. Hey i'm a fan too, I like Lavin's enthusiasm and get after it attitude but the reality is average results in recruiting and performance.
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It's hard to argue your point. SJU as a program has been mediocre at best! We are a shadow of what we once were!
 
Mid Major was a reference to what StJ's has been relegated to not the Big East. Many of the big dawg's left and we are still mid pack. Lavin was successful in year one with someone else's recruits. Aside from that its been 10 years of wait till next year and pie eyed speculation on for the most part under achieving recruits. Hey i'm a fan too, I like Lavin's enthusiasm and get after it attitude but the reality is average results in recruiting and performance.
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Calling our results average is fine but calling our recruiting results average is nonsense. I get we had a bad 2014 recruiting cycle but the rest of Lavins classes in paper were far from average.
 
Mid Major was a reference to what StJ's has been relegated to not the Big East. Many of the big dawg's left and we are still mid pack. Lavin was successful in year one with someone else's recruits. Aside from that its been 10 years of wait till next year and pie eyed speculation on for the most part under achieving recruits. Hey i'm a fan too, I like Lavin's enthusiasm and get after it attitude but the reality is average results in recruiting and performance.
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Calling our results average is fine but calling our recruiting results average is nonsense. I get we had a bad 2014 recruiting cycle but the rest of Lavins classes in paper were far from average.
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Obviously the games aren't played on paper and to judge recruitiing simply by the numbers doesn't make sense to me. His recruiting has been average IMO based on the perfomance of the players he recruited.
 
Obviously on Redmen.com we are desperate for an NBA caliber player to lead us to the dance. If you look at last year's squad, what we lacked was an NBA ready talent who would come up big in crunch time. More often than not that player who failed was Harrison, but Jordan also failed to regularly make the big shot or play that would elevate the team. Clearly if he is to be a two and done, he must demonstrate big time player ability on a consistent basis, and not just show flashes of superior ability..
 
Mid Major was a reference to what StJ's has been relegated to not the Big East. Many of the big dawg's left and we are still mid pack. Lavin was successful in year one with someone else's recruits. Aside from that its been 10 years of wait till next year and pie eyed speculation on for the most part under achieving recruits. Hey i'm a fan too, I like Lavin's enthusiasm and get after it attitude but the reality is average results in recruiting and performance.
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IOW while you have a pretty good feel for where the program is you don't understand the term "mid-major". ;)
 
I am kind of shocked that Jordan hasn't even appeared on a single list and we are just a few months away from the start of his soph season. Semaj Christon was a projected first rounder halfway through his freshman year.

i still think Jordan makes his way onto these lists, but he will not be a first rounder and likely won't be an early second rounder either.
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Don't know why you'd be shocked. He had a decent year last year, but wasn't close to players like Christon or Ennis or Cotton, just to pick a few. He has potential but he is going to have to show more of a game if he wants to be a first round pick. Among other things he is going to have to develop a better outside shot and show the ability to take over a game, at least for a stretch. That may be tough for him to do with Harrison around, though.
 
Obviously on Redmen.com we are desperate for an NBA caliber player to lead us to the dance. If you look at last year's squad, what we lacked was an NBA ready talent who would come up big in crunch time. More often than not that player who failed was Harrison, but Jordan also failed to regularly make the big shot or play that would elevate the team. Clearly if he is to be a two and done, he must demonstrate big time player ability on a consistent basis, and not just show flashes of superior ability..
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I don't think the secret to success necessarily lies in NBA-caliber talent. Don't get me wrong, it's great to have.

But the 2010 team didn't have one NBA-worthy player on it. What they had was a lot of solid talent--Hardy, Kennedy, etc--who played as a cohesive unit. The current roster on paper is more talented. But they have failed to develop any semblance of chemistry or team-first play. The ever-changing rotations have definitely fed into that. The "you have to earn your starting role every week" policy is also not helpful either, IMO.
 
not to beat a dead horse but I am very familiar with mid majors specifically Lehigh in the Patriot League. However, and i'm not suggesting this is a solution but even changing conferences will not help because the caliber of recruit we currently get will not come to StJ for the Northeast, America East etc. the A10 might maintain the current level of recruit and allow us to move up in the pack but anything short of that and we remain mid pack. ;)
 
Your response still indicates that you do not understand that conferences are mid majors, not teams. Whether the new BE - or new AAC - is mid major or not remains to be seen, at least in my opinion. Until they are deemed such then their teams are not mid majors. Penn St, as bad as they've been for eons, is not a mid major. Gonzaga, as good as they've been, is. Just having some fun with semantics.
 
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