Casual Hoya picks SJU 6th

tom in salem

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http://www.casualhoya.com/2013/10/2...n-previews-and-predictions-st-johns-red-storm

Here is where ranking the remainder of the Big East gets tricky since the remaining teams are all very close together and there's not a lot separating #6 from #1. At 6th, I have St. John's slotted lower than a lot of people as the talent is there but they have been unable to put it together so far under Steve Lavin. But even picked to finish 6th, I still think the Johnnies can make the Tournament in what should be a top-heavy Big East.

Last year: 17-16 (8-10) NIT

KenPom: 104th Offense: 237th, Defense: 32nd Tempo: 93rd

Key Losses: Amir Garrett (Transfer)

Key Additions: Rysheed Jordan 6'3 PG, Max Hooper 6'6" R-So SF (Transfer), Orlando Sanchez 6'9 Sr PF (Juco), Sort of God's Gift Achiuwa 6'8 R-Sr C (Red Shirted last year)

Key Returnees: D'Angelo Harrison 6'4 Jr SG, Jakarr Sampson 6'9 So PF, Sir'Dominic Pointer 6'5 Jr SF, Chris Obekpa 6'9 So C, Jamal Branch 6'3 R-So PG, Phil Greene IV 6'2 Jr PG, Christian Jones 6'7 So PF, Marco Bourgault 6'7 Sr SF, Felix Balamou 6'4 So SG

Projected Starting Lineup:

PG: Jamal Branch SG: D'angelo Harrison, SF: Sir'Dominic Pointer, PF: Jakarr Sampson, C: Chris Obekpa

The first reason I am not as high on St. John's is that I'm not as high on D'Angelo Harrison as others are. The major reason for this is his performance against Georgetown; in last years' two games against the Hoyas, Harrison posted a line of 7pts and an Offensive Rating of 55 in game one and 2pts and an offensive rating of 30 in game two. He's obviously not as bad as those lines indicate, but I think he is a vastly overrated player. He is a high volume shooter, and unlike Providence's Bryce Cotton whom he battled for scoring champ in the Big East last year, he's not that efficient. Harrison posted an ORtg of 102.8 while Cotton posted a ORtg of 123.3.

St. John's major weakness is on offense and it is their shooting. It's not just the fact that they're a poor shooting team, but also that they have terrible shot selection which further compounds the issue. St. John's was 314th in eFG%, 343rd in 3pt%, 255th in 2p%, and 317th in FT%. Furthermore, they were #1 in the nation in taking long 2 point jumpers universally known as the worst shot to take. Only 3 Johnnies took more than 27 three pointers: Harrison 31.5% on 138 attempts, Phil Greene 22.7% on 110 attempts, and Marco Bourgault 29.3% on 75 attempts. St. John's is hoping that Harvard Transfer Max Hooper can provide a three point threat, but even if that comes to fruition they are unlikely to have enough firepower behind the arc to improve their rankings much.

St. John's other major weakness was rebounding. St. John's was 212th in grabbing offensive boards and 300th in grabbing defensive boards. One major culprit for this was Chris Obekpa. The shot blocking freshman led the nation in block % last year, but it often came at the expense of grabbing defensive boards as the freshman tried to block everything in sight leaving the offensive boards open for the opposition. The other problem with Obekpa is that he's a relative liability on offense with his 88 Ortg and 39% FT%. The rebounding issue will be helped by a year of experience for Obekpa, the addition of Sanchez and the return of God's Gift Achiuwa, who red-shirted last season. Sanchez was a JuCo transfer who was denied playing last year by the NCAA and was only granted one year of eligibility which he will use this year at St. John's. Red Storm fans are very high on Sanchez and his NBA potential.

Pointer is a versatile all around player and is the proverbial glue guy for the team. He along with Obekpa were the major forces in St. John's main strength last year: Defense. Pointer stuffs the stat sheet and is the most complete player on the team. Next there's Jakarr Sampson, last year's co-rookie of the year. Sampson was initially supposed to join St. John's in the 2011-2012 season, but was forced to go to prep school after not qualifying. He's a solid defender and a rangy athlete who is continuing to develop his basketball skills.

At point guard we will see a rotation of Jamal Branch who sat out half the season as a transfer last year and then missed several more games with an injury he suffered against Georgetown, and freshman PG Rysheed Jordan. Jordan should likely take the starting spot from Branch, but it appears Lavin will try and ease his star recruit into his freshman season. Branch in limited time has not proven to be the answer in his 17 games as a Johnny or 11 at Texas A&M. Both shortened seasons showed decent assist rates, but even higher turnover rates. Rysheed Jordan should be able to do a better job breaking down defenses and getting easy hoops for other players.

As you can see there are a lot of pieces in place. The issue is the pieces haven't all fit together yet. Some of that is that there are too many of one type of piece (athletic wing forwards) and not enough of others (consistent three point shooters). Others would question the person trying to put the puzzle together coach Steve Lavin, who many view as a good recruiter and mediocre coach.

The truth of the matter is that despite having a large amount of athleticism and highly ranked players out of high school, St. John's is lacking in actual basketball skills on the offensive end of the court (read: consistent shooters, big men with post moves, an actual offensive game plan from the coaching staff would be nice too). I think they'll be improved enough to make the Tournament, but I can't see their offense making a complete transformation for them to challenge for the Big East title.
 
I dont trust anyone who is a casual Hoya. Heck I don't trust anyone who is a Hoya
 
Of the negative and poorly researched commentary I have to say that this one is actually pretty well thought out and objectively speaking, if I was a G'Town fan watching the way we stunk it up against them, I wouldn't have have great thoughts either. Certainly last season left major question marks for this season. As a skeptic you'd assume they were not answered. Those of us paying closer attention, know that they have been and then some.

That said, Jan 4 they will get a beat down at home and then again at MSG.
 
Of the negative and poorly researched commentary I have to say that this one is actually pretty well thought out and objectively speaking, if I was a G'Town fan watching the way we stunk it up against them, I wouldn't have have great thoughts either. Certainly last season left major question marks for this season. As a skeptic you'd assume they were not answered. Those of us paying closer attention, know that they have been and then some.

That said, Jan 4 they will get a beat down at home and then again at MSG.

Wondering if its the same Hoya poster who posts on these boards as well. Of course they could all be brainwashing one another. To me the play against a certain team is hardly the right way to predict things.

Cant wait to see where they pick Gtown and the logic used. Since you know they lost their best two players and all. I'm guessing Top 2.
 
We are so close to the regular season that rankings are starting to become meaningless. The first game is a big one against a top 25 team and should give some idea as to where the team stands. Any other slip ups before the Syracuse game would be cause for concern. An undefeated non conference season would lead to a national ranking. Only time will tell.
 
Wondering if its the same Hoya poster who posts on these boards as well. Of course they could all be brainwashing one another. To me the play against a certain team is hardly the right way to predict things.
Cant wait to see where they pick Gtown and the logic used. Since you know they lost their best two players and all. I'm guessing Top 2.

Don't get me wrong, picking 6th is like a Missouri fan picking Kentucky to be a bubble team based upon last season. Certainly some logic but mostly one-sided thinking.
 
Of the negative and poorly researched commentary I have to say that this one is actually pretty well thought out and objectively speaking, if I was a G'Town fan watching the way we stunk it up against them, I wouldn't have have great thoughts either. Certainly last season left major question marks for this season. As a skeptic you'd assume they were not answered. Those of us paying closer attention, know that they have been and then some.

That said, Jan 4 they will get a beat down at home and then again at MSG.

Wondering if its the same Hoya poster who posts on these boards as well. Of course they could all be brainwashing one another. To me the play against a certain team is hardly the right way to predict things.

It is "hoyahooligan," Moose. The one who went into his Judas act on the Seton Hall board and JJ, respectively, a couple years ago.

Nevertheless, he's entitled to his opinion in this case.
 
Sounds mostly like wishful thinking based on 2 games last year...You can tell that he's trying to convince himself that St. John's isn't for real this year but they're in for a rude awakening
 
I do not get too excited about anyone's preseason predictions.

Unlike opinions regarding religion, politics, and other matters, a team's final win / loss record will speak for itself and prove how good it is in relation to other teams.
 
Sounds mostly like wishful thinking based on 2 games last year...You can tell that he's trying to convince himself that St. John's isn't for real this year but they're in for a rude awakening

If you saw how much trash he talked about St. John's (particularly, several of our 2011 freshmen and during the Kyle Anderson recruitment) on the Hall's Rivals board, then turn around with his passive-aggressive posts on JJ, then you'd know what you're truly dealing with.

Not to mention, he recently stated Harrison reminded him of former-Seton Hall player, Jeremy Hazell. Does anyone truly see similarities of those two players?
 
Of the negative and poorly researched commentary I have to say that this one is actually pretty well thought out and objectively speaking, if I was a G'Town fan watching the way we stunk it up against them, I wouldn't have have great thoughts either. Certainly last season left major question marks for this season. As a skeptic you'd assume they were not answered. Those of us paying closer attention, know that they have been and then some.

That said, Jan 4 they will get a beat down at home and then again at MSG.

Wondering if its the same Hoya poster who posts on these boards as well. Of course they could all be brainwashing one another. To me the play against a certain team is hardly the right way to predict things.

Cant wait to see where they pick Gtown and the logic used. Since you know they lost their best two players and all. I'm guessing Top 2.

Yes, but of course the commentary will be that unlike St. John's, all the other players on the Hoyas will improve significantly and completely pick up the slack. Whatever. I'm with Paul on this one. Let's give them a double beat down this year.
 
Sounds mostly like wishful thinking based on 2 games last year...You can tell that he's trying to convince himself that St. John's isn't for real this year but they're in for a rude awakening

If you saw how much trash he talked about St. John's (particularly, several of our 2011 freshmen and during the Kyle Anderson recruitment) on the Hall's Rivals board, then turn around with his passive-aggressive posts on JJ, then you'd know what you're truly dealing with.

Not to mention, he recently stated Harrison reminded him of former-Seton Hall player, Jeremy Hazell. Does anyone truly see similarities of those two players?

Hahaha...I'm glad that I missed that! And Jeremy Hazell??? What in the world is he talking about?
 
Sounds mostly like wishful thinking based on 2 games last year...You can tell that he's trying to convince himself that St. John's isn't for real this year but they're in for a rude awakening

If you saw how much trash he talked about St. John's (particularly, several of our 2011 freshmen and during the Kyle Anderson recruitment) on the Hall's Rivals board, then turn around with his passive-aggressive posts on JJ, then you'd know what you're truly dealing with.

Not to mention, he recently stated Harrison reminded him of former-Seton Hall player, Jeremy Hazell. Does anyone truly see similarities of those two players?

On the money.. Mj has been on to this guy from day 1.
 
It's so impressive when a reporter panders to his audience. He should have a future with the New York Post.
 
The key to this year's team will be Jordan, a explosive off the dribble player. This was a missing ingredient in the last 2 years. He's not only a great athlete but, truly has the BB smarts lacking previously.
By year end he will be the team's MVP...
 
A lot of unfounded optimism on this board.

This is still a team that played some of the ugliest basketball I have ever seen (and yes, I've been around this program for the last 20 years).

We add four players to the rotation - a freshman guard in Jordan who though talented may or may not be a PG - a jack-of-all-trades, master of none in Sanchez - Gift who is the equivalent of Ty Grant when Ty Grant was a sophomore - and Hooper who needs to play in a halfway competent offense to do what he does best.

Despite the addition of Whitesell (sic), we will get pasted early by Wisconsin and Syracuse and probably have a morale-draining loss to a mid-major by Christmas. Then we'll pick it up and play decent in the Big East. There's a chance we turn the corner then a la 2011, but I don't see it.
 
A lot of unfounded optimism on this board.

This is still a team that played some of the ugliest basketball I have ever seen (and yes, I've been around this program for the last 20 years).

We add four players to the rotation - a freshman guard in Jordan who though talented may or may not be a PG - a jack-of-all-trades, master of none in Sanchez - Gift who is the equivalent of Ty Grant when Ty Grant was a sophomore - and Hooper who needs to play in a halfway competent offense to do what he does best.

Despite the addition of Whitesell (sic), we will get pasted early by Wisconsin and Syracuse and probably have a morale-draining loss to a mid-major by Christmas. Then we'll pick it up and play decent in the Big East. There's a chance we turn the corner then a la 2011, but I don't see it.

love the optimism! Jordan is absolutely a point guard. Can he play alongside another pg? yes, be he is a point guard. And I do agree with you that our basketball was extremely ugly last year, everyone should, but there are major reasons to be excited about this season. All four new guys help out in major weaknesses the team had last year, especially offensively, were everyone besides gift is a capable 3 point threat.
 
Of the negative and poorly researched commentary I have to say that this one is actually pretty well thought out and objectively speaking, if I was a G'Town fan watching the way we stunk it up against them, I wouldn't have have great thoughts either. Certainly last season left major question marks for this season. As a skeptic you'd assume they were not answered. Those of us paying closer attention, know that they have been and then some.

That said, Jan 4 they will get a beat down at home and then again at MSG.

Wondering if its the same Hoya poster who posts on these boards as well. Of course they could all be brainwashing one another. To me the play against a certain team is hardly the right way to predict things.




Cant wait to see where they pick Gtown and the logic used. Since you know they lost their best two players and all. I'm guessing Top 2.

Yes, but of course the commentary will be that unlike St. John's, all the other players on the Hoyas will improve significantly and completely pick up the slack. Whatever. I'm with Paul on this one. Let's give them a double beat down this year.

I am with you guys and would love to see a double beat down but it is not going to happen until they find someone to stop Nate Lubick.
This guy has just killed us. Sadly other Big East teams do not seem to have as much problem with him.
 
A lot of unfounded optimism on this board.

This is still a team that played some of the ugliest basketball I have ever seen (and yes, I've been around this program for the last 20 years).

We add four players to the rotation - a freshman guard in Jordan who though talented may or may not be a PG - a jack-of-all-trades, master of none in Sanchez - Gift who is the equivalent of Ty Grant when Ty Grant was a sophomore - and Hooper who needs to play in a halfway competent offense to do what he does best.

Despite the addition of Whitesell (sic), we will get pasted early by Wisconsin and Syracuse and probably have a morale-draining loss to a mid-major by Christmas. Then we'll pick it up and play decent in the Big East. There's a chance we turn the corner then a la 2011, but I don't see it.

love the optimism! Jordan is absolutely a point guard. Can he play alongside another pg? yes, be he is a point guard. And I do agree with you that our basketball was extremely ugly last year, everyone should, but there are major reasons to be excited about this season. All four new guys help out in major weaknesses the team had last year, especially offensively, were everyone besides gift is a capable 3 point threat.

The problem last year wasn't the lack of dribble drives or even outside shooting.

We had no low post offense at all. No player who could even attempt to score with his back to the basket on the blocks. We still don't have one. Pretty easy to defend a team like that.

That's a lack of personnel. I'm not going to even go into coaching and game preparation, although I am hoping Whitesell is the answer.
 
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