Bowling Green, Fri. Nov. 9, 6:30p, FS2 / 570 WMCA

[quote="NCJohnnie" post=300958]Don't think we played Bowling Green during those years, but in the early 60's they had both the late greats Nate Thurmond and Butch Komives. Komives, whose biggest NBA claim to fame is he and Walt Bellamy were traded by Knicks to get Dave Debuschere (sp), led the NCAA in scoring in 1963-1964 with 36.7 ppg. Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounding and defensive centers in NBA history. Sadly, they have both passed away in the past 10 years.[/quote]

Thanks for this info. It's funny but in the pre-internet age, if you entered fandom in a sport you often never knew the background of a player. Komives was pretty much an insignificant part of losing Knick teams, and I had no clue of his scoring prowess in college
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=300958]Don't think we played Bowling Green during those years, but in the early 60's they had both the late greats Nate Thurmond and Butch Komives. Komives, whose biggest NBA claim to fame is he and Walt Bellamy were traded by Knicks to get Dave Debuschere (sp), led the NCAA in scoring in 1963-1964 with 36.7 ppg. Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounding and defensive centers in NBA history. Sadly, they have both passed away in the past 10 years.[/quote]
Somewhat related, Emmette Bryant was a Knick guard who played with Komives. One night friends and I ventured to MSG via subway and low and behold Bryant was on the train with his Knick bag. My have times changed lol. Easy to get cheap tickets in those days too.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=300960][quote="NCJohnnie" post=300958]Don't think we played Bowling Green during those years, but in the early 60's they had both the late greats Nate Thurmond and Butch Komives. Komives, whose biggest NBA claim to fame is he and Walt Bellamy were traded by Knicks to get Dave Debuschere (sp), led the NCAA in scoring in 1963-1964 with 36.7 ppg. Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounding and defensive centers in NBA history. Sadly, they have both passed away in the past 10 years.[/quote]
Somewhat related, Emmette Bryant was a Knick guard who played with Komives. One night friends and I ventured to MSG via subway and low and behold Bryant was on the train with his Knick bag. My have times changed lol. Easy to get cheap tickets in those days too.[/quote]

Tickets were especially cheap with a G.O. card
I still have a full unused ticket to a Rangers-Blues game from 1964
I was punished (not unusual for me) and was not allowed to go
The face value of the ticket was $2.50
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=300942]It will be a good test to play a middle of the pack mid-major with a lot of height and bulk. If rebounding is a big problem against these guys, and by that I mean getting significantly outrebounded, we'll likely have our work cut out for us there all year.[/quote]

There are two ways to negate our lack of size and the possibility of getting out rebounded by bigger teams. On the offensive end, make shots. On the defensive end , pressure defense and create turnovers. If we can do this then offensive and defensive rebounding become less of a factor in the game because we are making shots on offense therefore negating the need for offensive rebounding and if we are creating turnovers on defense then we are limiting their offensive possessions and the need to get defensive rebounds. I think we have the talent and depth to accomplish both of these things on most nights.
 
Time to take these guys to the woodshed. Strike first, strike hard, No mercy Sir!!
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=300958]Don't think we played Bowling Green during those years, but in the early 60's they had both the late greats Nate Thurmond and Butch Komives. Komives, whose biggest NBA claim to fame is he and Walt Bellamy were traded by Knicks to get Dave Debuschere (sp), led the NCAA in scoring in 1963-1964 with 36.7 ppg. Thurmond was one of the greatest rebounding and defensive centers in NBA history. Sadly, they have both passed away in the past 10 years.[/quote]
Nate was a great player at Bowling Green, and the obvious No. 1 pick for the Knicks in 1963, but instead they opted for Duke's Art Heyman (the "white Oscar Robertson"), who turned out to be, at best, a so-so pro. Although NBA was a center-dominant league at the time, Knicks opted for Heyman over Thurmond because they'd been burned the year before by drafting (in top 4) Cincinnati's Paul Hogue, who despite leading the Bearcats to NCAA title was a total bust. Nate meanwhile went on to make his mark -- including a championship ring -- in the NBA. The rest, as they say, is history.
 
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[quote="guinness77" post=300941]I don’t generally comment on our recruiting but how do these guys have 2 6’10” guys who contribute and we don’t even have one?[/quote]
Addition by subtraction?
 
[quote="bamafan" post=300973][quote="guinness77" post=300941]I don’t generally comment on our recruiting but how do these guys have 2 6’10” guys who contribute and we don’t even have one?[/quote]
Addition by subtraction?[/quote]
They weigh 95 lbs?
 
[quote="sirvoo" post=300977]19 point favorites FWIW[/quote]

Couple late buckets last game ruined that spread.
 
Important to get this one with the type of ease we got Loyola.

Then a week to get ready not just for Rutgers but 3 games in 5 days with Cal and Temple/VCU. This is one of the critical pockets on the schedule that team may look back and regret if not handled well. 3-0 preferable, 2-1 almost required. 1 on the road and 2 in an NBA arena - not easy!
 
[quote="SJU1512" post=301002]Important to get this one with the type of ease we got Loyola.

Then a week to get ready not just for Rutgers but 3 games in 5 days with Cal and Temple/VCU. This is one of the critical pockets on the schedule that team may look back and regret if not handled well. 3-0 preferable, 2-1 almost required. 1 on the road and 2 in an NBA arena - not easy![/quote]
Anticipating a relatively easy win tonight, but with a week off I hope the team does not take Rutgers lightly. A road game at the RAC & a good coach in Steve P should have them focused. Yes, Rutgers will struggle in Big10 this year, but let’s not be their Super Bowl. A solid win there would help Johnnies gain confidence playing on the road, unlike last year.
 
Agreed Rutgers will come out extremely motivated to make a statement against a local program that is projected to have a much better record. They did the same versus the Hall last year and got a W.
 
Zach B
St Johns hosting highly regarded prospects Nate Tabor 20’ & Jonathan Kuminga 21’ tonight #sjubb
 
[quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=301015]we got into the garden for .50 cents with the high school g.o. card. I liked Howard Komives game.[/quote]

Komives's claim to fame, as a Knick anyway, was that it was him who went to the Pistons, along with Walt Bellamy, in exchange for some guy named DeBusschere.

I think that trade worked out in the end.:)
 
Pure investment talk: SJU -19 on my book..... honest thoughts on that? big men do give us trouble.

granted we if we wanted to...we could have kept a 30 point separation if we kept our normal rotation, but a 20+ win vs and fairly big team that returns its top scorers....

I dont't see it. Thoughts?
 
94% chance of victory, according to BPI Matchup Predictor.

That's a bit unusual, because it's slightly better odds then what they gave us on Tuesday. Maybe we impressed them enough.
 
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