We can win a national title this year without him IMO, but getting him here only increases our chances. Let's wait and see.
Boogie (Days And) Nights
- Thread starter paultzman
- Start date
We can win a national title this year without him IMO, but getting him here only increases our chances. Let's wait and see.
Agree, not worth obsessing about as long as the draft is his main focus. If he does opt back into college, and it comes down to SJU and Florida, then I would think it makes more sense for him to come to SJU. Obviously, Florida is defending champs, but they already have a starting PG on their roster in Lee so that would be a detractor. That, plus the opportunity to compete for a national championship alongside Ian and in front of family and friends has to be appealing. All things the same (i.e. money), then I have a hard time believing SJU wouldn't have a really strong case to bring him onto the roster.
Alternatively, is the portal fully closed for Lee? If a guy is recruited over and hasn't enrolled in classes, then does that player have the opportunity to hop back into the portal (I thought I read that somewhere)? Could be if Boogie goes to FL, then we get our hands on Lee (who will likely lose serious playing time in that scenario). Although, I'm more than happy with Darling getting minutes at the point over Lee; especially since Lee already spurned us for another.
Alternatively, is the portal fully closed for Lee? If a guy is recruited over and hasn't enrolled in classes, then does that player have the opportunity to hop back into the portal (I thought I read that somewhere)? Could be if Boogie goes to FL, then we get our hands on Lee (who will likely lose serious playing time in that scenario). Although, I'm more than happy with Darling getting minutes at the point over Lee; especially since Lee already spurned us for another.
If we get Boogie, the focus on SJU will not be that we are championship contenders, unfortunately it’s going to be how much we paid him and if we win, we bought the championship.
That was the focus last year anyway.
If we got Boogie and won, we would sell out every garden game and create a buzz with young guys in the city that we haven't seen in four decades. It would be electric.
Spocky Ramone
Well-known member
Just thought I’d slide in a minor adjustment.
Bring on the criticism. Adapt, use your resources or return to mediocrity. UCLA in early years lived off the “generosity” of Sam Gilbert, but history treats them well.
In simplest terms, who cares what critics say.
Towerofshred
Active member
Boogies is projected as a second rounder…
Interesting that Big East lists 3 late 1st rounders and a couple of 2d. Yaxel is there but no RJ.
Also Dook has 3 lottery picks, so its never a guarantee for a natty.
Interesting that Big East lists 3 late 1st rounders and a couple of 2d. Yaxel is there but no RJ.
Also Dook has 3 lottery picks, so its never a guarantee for a natty.
MugCostanza
Well-known member
I know I bought up how Rick hasn't said the roster is complete yet so went back to look at what he said in past years and basically like everything Rick says publicly, it really isn't worth putting much stock into it.
Couldn't find a specific post from last year about it but here is his post in May of 2023 about the 23-24 roster being complete. After this post we still ended up trading Slazinski for Ledlum and added Wilcher.
Couldn't find a specific post from last year about it but here is his post in May of 2023 about the 23-24 roster being complete. After this post we still ended up trading Slazinski for Ledlum and added Wilcher.
Rocket
Well-known member
I am simply stating that we should temper our expectations based upon ONE PLAYER....especially a guard not projected in the first round of the NBA draft to WIN IT ALL!Amen, keep preaching until Boogie boogies his way to Queens!
Hence ...... regardless of MSG attendance, it is team effort that wins titles.
See our last game of the season as an example.
A+ find
Chriscin33
Well-known member
I don’t see any harm in dreaming big and having expectations based on the coach and team we have for next season. We are fans, that is what we do. And of course it is a team game as the whole must always better than the individual parts. We agree on that. But we can also want as much talent as possible and no one can argue that this kid doesn’t have the talent to make any college team better, especially a team like ours, who some feel still have questions/unknowns at the PG position.
I think he certainly raises the floor, but wouldn't disagree that our ceiling is unchanged if he were to come. Boogie has his own flaws he has to work through.
The chemistry/one basketball dynamic would also be supercharged for Rick to figure out.
If you're just trying to say, Boogie doesn't guarantee any high-end success (aka, BET title, BE regular season title, Elite 8 or third weekend), I agree.
To that point neither Jackson nor Fland carried their team to the Elite 8 last year (let alone the championship) and at various times weren't even starters. Obviously a lot of talent and should be better and more consistent as sophs than freshmen. But yes, pump the brakes a bit. Zuby, Mitchell, Hopkins, Sellers come with a more established presence, though.
I still think your argument is flawed even after tweaking it.
On one hand you are saying that Fland does not guarantee a championship based on one player, especially when he is a guard projected to go in the second round.
Yet in the other hand you say it is a team game.
If it is a team game, then being a lottery pick or an undrafted free agent, should not matter since it is about how a player fits in a system. If Jackson and Fland play off of one another and execute, no one will care about draft status.
And then the position in the court should not matter either. I mentioned former big men first overall picks Shaq, Duncan, and Flagg (who will be) who failed to win titles.
It is hard to not be over the moon with excitement about the team as constructed. But we will hit Mars level thrills if Fland ever comes to SJU. That is a guarantee.
A couple of observations. Unless I missed his name, RJ doesn't appear in the NBA Draft. Secondly, one could make the case that Walter Clayton, Jr. was Florida's best player and one of the best guards in the country last season. I have a neighbor down here in NC who is a huge Duke fan and he told me that Clayton is a helluva player. My point is in the bleacherreport mock draft, Clayton is projected as the 24th pick as the best player on the best team in the nation last year. Does anyone think that if Clayton played in NYC and garnered the publicity created by St. John's last year, Clayton's draft position would be higher than #24?
It seems that if Boogie wants to boost his draft position, playing at St. John's in NYC makes more sense for him.
I don't think where you play is in any way relevant. I have seen Clayton anywhere from 12 to 28 in mock drafts. RJ played here and he barely sniffs the second round in most.
NBA cares about how somebody's game fits what the league wants. There are some questions about Clayton's athleticism; with RJ it's the fairly obvious holes in his game that go along with the obvious strengths.
Could Clayton turn out to be Jalen Brunson and RJ turn out to be Draymond Green? Sure. They don't always get it right. But those are the apparent NBA thought processes - and the mock drafts could also be wrong.
Silly Donovan
Well-known member
Boogie guarantees nothing. We have heard the same argument before when other players have been brought in. Many forget, it’s all about team chemistry and all too often as good as a player is, that does not guarantee team chemistry. The way the team is situated now is about as good as it gets. Ever hear the statement too many cooks spoil the broth?
Also, there’s more than pure talent that determines a team’s advancement in the Big Dance and it’s not just about the players. A lot will depend on game preparation for a particular team, not just having offensive weapons but defensive strategies as well that will change if necessary. To hear posters make absurd statements that one player will bring a championship is sillier then my name.
As someone mentioned above Duke not only had more talent than most other teams but a generational player in Flagg and they didn’t win.
Also, there’s more than pure talent that determines a team’s advancement in the Big Dance and it’s not just about the players. A lot will depend on game preparation for a particular team, not just having offensive weapons but defensive strategies as well that will change if necessary. To hear posters make absurd statements that one player will bring a championship is sillier then my name.
As someone mentioned above Duke not only had more talent than most other teams but a generational player in Flagg and they didn’t win.
Name one poster here who said Boogie will guarantee us a national championship. I'll wait.