Bobby Gonzalez Sighting

[quote="L J S A" post=276715][quote="Class of 72" post=276709]If we ever hire a former Manhattan College coach ever again it will be as mythical a fail as The Myth of Sisyphus.
This nut job had maybe two successful years as a coach and has been riding them ever since.[/quote]

I'd be all for their current coach as an assistant if he ever gets fired at Manhattan. Although I know guys here did say the résumé fudging was a deal breaker a few years ago. His seat has got to be getting warm there.[/quote]

Both guys Ricky P proteges B)
 
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I wonder why anyone would espouse Gonzo to get a job , here at St John’s ? And , I would put Rice and Masiello in the same category . If they can land a job Coaching , at any level , good for them . Just not here . If a Assistant Coaches job opened up here, there are many , many candidates for Mullin to consider , besides these 3 . And , without their baggage . Gillen might be interesting . Brooklyn Guy , has a Resume , likely not going to get a gig anywhere . Knows the game , etc . I don’t know if he has a relationship with Mullin ? Listening to Pete on the DePaul - St John’s broadcast from Chicago , he is better at Coaching than announcing . He mentioned Ponds and ThomasJefferson HS at least 1000 times during the game . It wore out . Guys I know who grew up with him , say he’s a great guy . And , no disputes he can Coach but, he is getting older and does he want the pressure of a full time Assistant ? So, no to Gonzo, Masiello and Rice for St John’s .
 
In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=276724][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.[/quote]

Understand I am not taking a position on whether staff should be augmented or not. Just an opinion of what will or will not happen.

I will tell you that even at the tail end of the 11 game streak, among key university decision makers and strong program supporters, the attitude was incredibly positive and supportive and explicitly expressed that to Chris and staff as a pick-me-up and vote of confidence.

Whether we change staffing or not, I'm pretty positive about the direction of our program, but I guess everyone knows that on here.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276726][quote="Paultzman" post=276724][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.[/quote]

Understand I am not taking a position on whether staff should be augmented or not. Just an opinion of what will or will not happen.

I will tell you that even at the tail end of the 11 game streak, among key university decision makers and strong program supporters, the attitude was incredibly positive and supportive and explicitly expressed that to Chris and staff as a pick-me-up and vote of confidence.

Whether we change staffing or not, I'm pretty positive about the direction of our program, but I guess everyone knows that on here.[/quote] I don't see how the attitude could have been positive at the tail end of the 11 game loosing streak. That may say something about the University decision makers.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=276733][quote="Beast of the East" post=276726][quote="Paultzman" post=276724][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.[/quote]

Understand I am not taking a position on whether staff should be augmented or not. Just an opinion of what will or will not happen.

I will tell you that even at the tail end of the 11 game streak, among key university decision makers and strong program supporters, the attitude was incredibly positive and supportive and explicitly expressed that to Chris and staff as a pick-me-up and vote of confidence.

Whether we change staffing or not, I'm pretty positive about the direction of our program, but I guess everyone knows that on here.[/quote] I don't see how the attitude could have been positive at the tail end of the 11 game loosing streak. That may say something about the University decision makers.[/quote]

It's all about putting your faith in someone I think. Bobby G. read a decent sized list of positives despite the losses, such as margin of loss, strength of schedule, giving Nova their closest game, etc etc. Basically said, I'm a financial analyst and I look at numbers, and we aren't so far away from winning. In this case, he was right.
 
If SJU is looking for a "second chance" assistant coach, we should be considering Kevin Bannon, Bernie Fine and Lloyd Braun, in addition to Gonzo, Mike Rice and Steve Masiello, Let's open this search up!
 
I'll agree totally with Beast of the East that Chris has a plan and is not going to listen to those offering well meaning advice. He must have the total commitment of the AD the way SJU spends recruiting money and has gone through the worst month he will probably have to endure and bounced back.
He is just going to do things his way.
 
My favorite Bobby G story is a game in 2008. St. John’s took a 3 pt lead on a Mase Jr. shot with under 2 seconds left. SH inbounds the ball to Hazell, who hurls a 3/4 Court shot and hits nothing but net. Unfortunately, Bobby G had called timeout before the shot. St. John’s wins the game rather than it going into OT.

I also loved when Bobby’s sister used to post on our boards, defending his atrocious on court and off court behavior. The shoplifting incident was illuminating. Hopefully, St. John’s never thinks for a second about hiring this guy.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=276733][quote="Beast of the East" post=276726][quote="Paultzman" post=276724][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.[/quote]

Understand I am not taking a position on whether staff should be augmented or not. Just an opinion of what will or will not happen.

I will tell you that even at the tail end of the 11 game streak, among key university decision makers and strong program supporters, the attitude was incredibly positive and supportive and explicitly expressed that to Chris and staff as a pick-me-up and vote of confidence.

Whether we change staffing or not, I'm pretty positive about the direction of our program, but I guess everyone knows that on here.[/quote] I don't see how the attitude could have been positive at the tail end of the 11 game loosing streak. That may say something about the University decision makers.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the proverbial head!
Both Vincentian members lag far behind the other members in many ways but the "basketball decision makers" are second rate by any standard and the only reason we have endured one bad coaching hire after another.
Look at favorite son and former star Kevin Ollie. Just 4 years removed from a national championship and he gets the pink slip. Look at Tubby Smith, a coaching legend who just won 21 games this season at Memphis. He went to 9 sweet 16's and won a national championship. Look at Kevin Stallings who just got 2 years to change things at Pitt.
I am hoping Chris Mullin coaches the team to an NCAA bid next year but I am holding off a complete endorsement until I see what the roster looks like next year and whether we finish in the top half of the conference. No more surprise departures and no more excuses in year four.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]

On point. Chris is known to be stubborn back to front office NBA jobs and for wherever reason appears to grooming St. Jean for a bigger job somewhere. At the same time St. Jean is grooming Chris Mullin to be a basketball coach. It is the oddest symbiosis I have ever seen I college basketball. Kind of the blind leading the blind and they prefer it that way. Of course Chris knows the game well and seems to have a good idea of what his end product should look like but getting there has been a struggle due to the inexperienced staff. The most expendable staff member is Mitch but like Lavin with Keady, Mullin appears to need a crutch by his side rather than be 100 % confident in himself. For St. John's the new basketball season has arrived sooner than expected and they have plenty of time to bring in a couple of recruits that can contribute immediately.
 
[quote="simplyred" post=276757]My favorite Bobby G story is a game in 2008. St. John’s took a 3 pt lead on a Mase Jr. shot with under 2 seconds left. SH inbounds the ball to Hazell, who hurls a 3/4 Court shot and hits nothing but net. Unfortunately, Bobby G had called timeout before the shot. St. John’s wins the game rather than it going into OT.

I also loved when Bobby’s sister used to post on our boards, defending his atrocious on court and off court behavior. The shoplifting incident was illuminating. Hopefully, St. John’s never thinks for a second about hiring this guy.[/quote]
Don't think we have to worry about that. (As for his sister -- I'd forgotten about her --, she sounds like an even bigger nut case.)
 
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[quote="Las Vegan" post=276753]If SJU is looking for a "second chance" assistant coach, we should be considering Kevin Bannon, Bernie Fine and Lloyd Braun, in addition to Gonzo, Mike Rice and Steve Masiello, Let's open this search up![/quote]
Would stay away from Lloyd Braun. He couldn't even beat George Constanza in computer sales.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276752][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=276733][quote="Beast of the East" post=276726][quote="Paultzman" post=276724][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]During the 11 game losing streak I sensed pressure would be there to shake up staff. After finishing season relatively positively, I now sense you are correct.[/quote]

Understand I am not taking a position on whether staff should be augmented or not. Just an opinion of what will or will not happen.

I will tell you that even at the tail end of the 11 game streak, among key university decision makers and strong program supporters, the attitude was incredibly positive and supportive and explicitly expressed that to Chris and staff as a pick-me-up and vote of confidence.

Whether we change staffing or not, I'm pretty positive about the direction of our program, but I guess everyone knows that on here.[/quote] I don't see how the attitude could have been positive at the tail end of the 11 game loosing streak. That may say something about the University decision makers.[/quote]

It's all about putting your faith in someone I think. Bobby G. read a decent sized list of positives despite the losses, such as margin of loss, strength of schedule, giving Nova their closest game, etc etc. Basically said, I'm a financial analyst and I look at numbers, and we aren't so far away from winning. In this case, he was right.[/quote] We dont know if he was right. We hope he is right. Next year will be telling.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=276760][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]

On point. Chris is known to be stubborn back to front office NBA jobs and for wherever reason appears to grooming St. Jean for a bigger job somewhere. At the same time St. Jean is grooming Chris Mullin to be a basketball coach. It is the oddest symbiosis I have ever seen I college basketball. Kind of the blind leading the blind and they prefer it that way. Of course Chris knows the game well and seems to have a good idea of what his end product should look like but getting there has been a struggle due to the inexperienced staff. The most expendable staff member is Mitch but like Lavin with Keady, Mullin appears to need a crutch by his side rather than be 100 % confident in himself. For St. John's the new basketball season has arrived sooner than expected and they have plenty of time to bring in a couple of recruits that can contribute immediately.[/quote]

Don't F with my buddy St. Jean. I like him almost as much as Chris. He's a good man, and has more basketball DNA then all of us combined.
 
I like St. Jean (and of course Chris).St Jean is going to be a head coach someday and I believe a pretty good one. I’ve heard nothing but positives about him, his work ethic and working with the kids from people more knowledgeable about basketball than me.

As far as Bobby G, I see Rice getting a job here before him and I think that’s a slim chance.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=276769][quote="Class of 72" post=276760][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]

On point. Chris is known to be stubborn back to front office NBA jobs and for wherever reason appears to grooming St. Jean for a bigger job somewhere. At the same time St. Jean is grooming Chris Mullin to be a basketball coach. It is the oddest symbiosis I have ever seen I college basketball. Kind of the blind leading the blind and they prefer it that way. Of course Chris knows the game well and seems to have a good idea of what his end product should look like but getting there has been a struggle due to the inexperienced staff. The most expendable staff member is Mitch but like Lavin with Keady, Mullin appears to need a crutch by his side rather than be 100 % confident in himself. For St. John's the new basketball season has arrived sooner than expected and they have plenty of time to bring in a couple of recruits that can contribute immediately.[/quote]

Don't F with my buddy St. Jean. I like him almost as much as Chris. He's a good man, and has more basketball DNA then all of us combined.[/quote]

Can't argue about his basketball DNA. However, Monte will attest that he lacks the DNA that Louie possessed.;)

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[quote="Class of 72" post=276790][quote="Beast of the East" post=276769][quote="Class of 72" post=276760][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]

On point. Chris is known to be stubborn back to front office NBA jobs and for wherever reason appears to grooming St. Jean for a bigger job somewhere. At the same time St. Jean is grooming Chris Mullin to be a basketball coach. It is the oddest symbiosis I have ever seen I college basketball. Kind of the blind leading the blind and they prefer it that way. Of course Chris knows the game well and seems to have a good idea of what his end product should look like but getting there has been a struggle due to the inexperienced staff. The most expendable staff member is Mitch but like Lavin with Keady, Mullin appears to need a crutch by his side rather than be 100 % confident in himself. For St. John's the new basketball season has arrived sooner than expected and they have plenty of time to bring in a couple of recruits that can contribute immediately.[/quote]

Don't F with my buddy St. Jean. I like him almost as much as Chris. He's a good man, and has more basketball DNA then all of us combined.[/quote]

Can't argue about his basketball DNA. However, Monte will attest that he lacks the DNA that Louie possessed.;)

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Fusilli?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=276796][quote="Class of 72" post=276790][quote="Beast of the East" post=276769][quote="Class of 72" post=276760][quote="Beast of the East" post=276723]In terms of the incessant dialogue of an experienced assistant, without any insider information, I don't see it happening. Chris has an almost stubborn idea of how he wants to build the program, appears to have a great deal of faith (and a great relationship with St. Jean), and I don't think he takes direction from anyone at St. John's.

After the Slice debacle, who for a good chunk of the year appeared to have the body language and take charge that basically said "I know what I'm doing and you don't", I don't think Chris is going to let another assistant take charge like that. For sure a passionate discussion with a lot of valid opinions, but I don't see a staff shakeup, unless of course Matt or St. Jean depart for something else, or Mitch decides to leave on his own.[/quote]

On point. Chris is known to be stubborn back to front office NBA jobs and for wherever reason appears to grooming St. Jean for a bigger job somewhere. At the same time St. Jean is grooming Chris Mullin to be a basketball coach. It is the oddest symbiosis I have ever seen I college basketball. Kind of the blind leading the blind and they prefer it that way. Of course Chris knows the game well and seems to have a good idea of what his end product should look like but getting there has been a struggle due to the inexperienced staff. The most expendable staff member is Mitch but like Lavin with Keady, Mullin appears to need a crutch by his side rather than be 100 % confident in himself. For St. John's the new basketball season has arrived sooner than expected and they have plenty of time to bring in a couple of recruits that can contribute immediately.[/quote]

Don't F with my buddy St. Jean. I like him almost as much as Chris. He's a good man, and has more basketball DNA then all of us combined.[/quote]

Can't argue about his basketball DNA. However, Monte will attest that he lacks the DNA that Louie possessed.;)

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